The Human Experience · Episode
Episode 79 – Jeffrey Bronfman – União do Vegetal (Union of the Vine: Ayahuasca)
A conversation with Jeffrey Bronfman
Jeffrey Bronfman served as president of the União do Vegetal Church (UDV) in the United States from 1993 to 2005. In 2000 Jeffrey spearheaded a historic legal action against The Government of United States for…

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Find the UDV here: udv.org.br (choose english option)
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“When the government argued that controlled-substance laws prohibited our religious practice, we knew the Native American Church already had an exemption for sacramental peyote. That precedent mattered because religious identity is not simply racial; people may sincerely adopt a spiritual practice and way of life outside the ancestry with which it originated.”
From the conversation“As people become more aware of their nature and connection to what they consider sacred or divine, their way of living begins to change—their relationship with the body, speech, consciousness, and practice. Within our tradition, the tea is understood as amplifying awareness so a person can see those relationships more clearly.”
From the conversation“The legal case was larger than a personal struggle. It concerned whether people in the United States, and potentially elsewhere, could have a way of communing with the divine, reconnecting with nature, and developing spiritual awareness protected under law. More than a decade of litigation was devoted to affirming that possibility.”
From the conversation“The central principle revealed through spiritual experience is that we are here to love, serve, and care for one another. As awakening deepens, that principle becomes less an inspiring idea and more the governing obligation of a life. Spiritual development should therefore be visible in how a person treats others.”
From the conversation“A universal truth appears in many religions and spiritual traditions. People who genuinely encounter it often recognize one another across differences of faith and culture because their lives begin to organize around similar principles. Understanding the meaning of life matters only if that understanding changes what we desire and what we do for humanity.”
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