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Episode 149 – Matt Wallaert – Succeeding as an entrepreneur, Building Products that change the world

A conversation with Matt Wallaert

Matt Wallaert is a behavioral scientist and entrepreneur. For over ten years, Matt Wallaert has been applying behavioral science to practical problems, from startup exits to the Fortune 500 to an array of…

Published
November 21, 2019
Runtime
1:12:19
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Matt Wallaert is a behavioral scientist and entrepreneur. For over ten years, Matt Wallaert has been applying behavioral science to practical problems, from startup exits to the Fortune 500 to an array of pro-social side projects.
He’s given hundreds of talks on the science of behavior change and is currently the healthcare industry’s first Chief Behavioral Officer at Clover Health, a Medicare Advantage plan changing the model of insurance by changing behavior.
Matt is a graduate of both the Li Po Chun United World College of Hong Kong and Swarthmore College. He also spent time in a PhD program at Cornell University that looked at social psychology. He has given hundreds of talks on the science of behavior change at such places as TEDxUtrecht, Virgin and Microsoft.
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  1. People often underestimate how much change can occur over a relatively short period. I understand why a large behavioral shift can make the elapsed time seem brief, but four years is a long time. I have a four-year-old who changes every week. Our narratives about time are shaped by the selective way human memory works.
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  2. The beautiful thing about science is that the goal and the measure can be the same. If the goal is behavior change and you measure behavior change, you do not have to debate whether option A or B seems more attractive. You have an objective ruler for determining which option changes behavior more effectively.
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  3. If you never experience the unpleasantness in another person’s world, you may never create the things that make that life easier. Someone who has never felt the pain of a repetitive payment process may never imagine automatic payment. Useful products often begin with direct attention to an inconvenience or frustration.
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  4. You have some ability to control which concerns enter your life. That does not mean you should care about nothing. It means that if clothing, or any other subject, is genuinely important to you, make it an intentional focus. Do not let an incidental concern create conflict, expense, and unhappiness without deciding that it deserves that place.
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  5. The ethical test for behavior change is whether a person would agree to the intervention if you made it fully visible. You do not necessarily have to explain every mechanism at every moment, but the change should remain acceptable when disclosed. If the person would reject it once understood, the intervention fails that ethical test.
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