Episode 12 – Xavier & Dr. G – Jungian Archetypes

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guys we are here with another episode it this is dr. G and I just kind of talking we go into some union dream analysis archetype stuff and then we spend most of the conversation talking about ayahuasca but it was a pretty low-key episode and you have to forgive both of us we were really tired it was 4:00 in the morning and we decided to record too that we had an episode for you guys this week we will be having a guest on and I’m working on a couple episodes that I

just have to finish mastering and then we’ll post so thank you so much for listening and there is a new intro so hopefully you guys enjoyed that thanks guys what’s up dr. G so I really want to talk about dreams man because I’ve been but having these really intense kind of experiences in my dream stayed do you do you usually remember your dreams I’ve been having a hard time recently with dreams but you know what I’ve been happening is I’ll go in with the

intention of saying hey hey I’m gonna have a dream tonight or try to like thick to trigger that like trigger the fact that just like to almost hit the record button in my sleep and I’m getting better like remembering dreams yeah that’s that’s interesting like like you had some really really interesting material on dream analysis and dream interpretation like he had these archetypes there’s there’s seven archetypes and I guess you could link

you can link the seven archetypes with the seven main chakras centers in your body but that’s that’s a different kind of drift that I’m that I’m going to but so young talked about these these different archetypes that exist for all of us and there’s seven of them the the first one is the persona which is the image that you present to the world in your waking life like your your mask the second one is the shadow which is the rejected and

there were the repressed aspects of yourself then there’s the anima animus which is the male/female the divine child the wise man old woman the great mother and the trickster so there’s there’s all this kind of understand I mean don’t you think it’s weird that everything on the planet everything on the planet goes to sleep for an indeterminate amount of time every night isn’t that strange there’s who was Santa who was that said

I think there might have been young where he said that the reason artists and I know a stainless I think it was grote when a Crofts theory was why artists and people that have like a creative aspect of themselves stay up late at night and they’ve done studies consistently that show that the smarter you are like you’re gonna sleep you’re gonna stay up later and then you’re gonna sleep in later that’s just there’s dozens of articles that showcase that

and my take on it is with the morphic resonance theory that I believe it was Groff or it might have been stanislav grof who said that there’s a you know there’s the the the one mind that we’re all sharing and when everyone’s awake they’re kind of taking in that space of the logos so I think when everyone’s asleep you get more of that space to yourself to explore and there’s not much as much chatter there yeah you actually brings this up as well he visited this

tribe in Africa or something I don’t remember the name of hand of the tribe but when he’s visited them he he noted that they they would have collective dreams like the tribe was having these dreams they would have together and they would differentiate the personal individual dreams as little dreams and the collective ones as big dreams you know it’s funny about that story is I think it was Peter Gabriel has a song called rhythm of the heat or

rhythm of the night after ouch when it is and the whole story is about the memoirs of Carl Jung with that tribe where they thought like he thought he they were gonna kill him or something because of this like tribal pattern beat because he was he just came to this lake tribe to check them out and this drum beat just kept swelling and swelling and I’m not sure if he took like an intoxicant or not but he I think he became so subdued from the rhythmic

patterning of the beat from this tribe that he started like you know getting into that field that you were just talking about well what I’ve noticed for myself is that there’s this there’s this sort of moment like right between when you when you are back in your body and you’re you’re about to wake up and that moment where you’re fully awake and it’s like this transfer and I’m not sure who talked about this but there is there’s

like this window where you can actively you’ll actively transmit the dreams that you’ve had into your conscious mind and Jung talks about the interpretation or the analysis or how how you figure out what these dream images mean he referred to it as amplification is this the red book you’re talking about I know there’s like it there’s a he wrote a huge series of books but there’s one that has is it man and his symbols that you’re talking

about I’m not sure where I’m getting this from just I was just I’ve just been having these really intense more sexually charged than usual dreams and I’m trying to figure out you know where and I’ve started like kind of collecting them into a journal and I’m actively writing my dreams down and and I and I’ll do what you said I’ll I’ll start you know before I go to sleep I’ll I’ll put you know into my mind that I’m going to remember my dreams

I think the the sexual charged themes that come up in the subconscious are all about you know I think that’s the same correlation that everyone talked about with Satan and the devil and the flesh and how there’s like the world layer aspects of life and as you like try to shed those away to focus on whatever your mission or your great work or you know life’s path the life path is gonna be you like come in contact more like that part ice fighting to survive and it

probably is coming up to the surface more mm-hmm well I mean yeah it’s it’s it’s interesting just um I mean that it relates down you know into the pineal gland and DMT and you know rapid eye movement and you’re kind of releasing this this neurotransmitter in your brain and that bat you know animals and humans all do it I mean my cat has an active dream life so just intriguing man have you ever have moments with with animals we were

just like you there’s definitely a consciousness there there’s definitely some being that’s behind there that’s that senses you much more than most of the people at least this civilization yeah oh yeah my cat has more cognitive ability than most of the people that I encounter actually but yeah man I mean how do you how do you feel about where the podcast is and what we’re doing here I’m having a blast I like I’m kind of shocked like how many people are

listening to be honest with you I’m not really sure how we’re managing to attract these pieces come out with it like let’s just felt like the pod oh I don’t want to drop any numbers specific but I did I did finally get myself to check stats and it’s pretty mind-blowing how many people are clicking our website and listening to our voices talk it’s really really amazing and I mean I’m I’m pretty stunned by the whole process like I I mean I’m really passionate

about bringing these people on and having them talk about their life’s work and I mean I think it’s the the most fun job ever I mean it does take a lot of energy and there’s a lot of work behind the scenes but it’s worth every moment it’s been animate its been a really interesting Prive more about business and other aspects of my life than when it was but from putting this together with you yeah man I mean I’ve been involved I

know I’ve been involved in startup I know that you’ve dabbled with that a bit and this feels like a startup company like I feel like I’m launching a startup company and that’s the way that I’m kind of perceiving it so well if you really look at it there was a a recent book by the name of the lady’s name is I think it’s deborah meadows and i kept this book just kept popping up place after places like you know I’m gonna I’m gonna

just download this book because it seems relevant and it’s it’s called systems a primer and it talks about how you can really break down anything into a system and there’s no reason why the system of a start-up shouldn’t apply to something like a podcast I mean it’s technically a startup you know and you can start applying these other systems as far as inflow outflow having a stock and and apply that to pretty much any model yeah

I mean there’s there’s all these articles that I’ve been reading recently about how the ears share thick they’re calling it your share for podcasts is increasing astronomically they’re more and more people are tuning into this this free kind of podcast movement I mean whatever whatever that but you know what let’s I’m just gonna let straight up break the fourth wall right now you guys tell like tell your friends if you like the podcast tell your friends like let’s

blow this the up straight-up like tell people like this is how the Rogan blew up this is how all those we’re podcast like blew up tell other people that are into this kind of stuff and you you know who they are just let them know yeah I think I think it’s growing pretty naturally like it’s and I think if people really like it I mean you share the things that you’re into so I think if if people really like what we’re doing then

they’ll naturally kind of just want to share it which is which is cooled with me and and yeah I mean what Rogan is doing and Duncan Trussell and some of the heavier hitters in the podcast sphere I mean it’s it’s a pretty respectable man like they’re they’re drawing a pretty huge huge audience and somehow I feel like we are the next generation of that type of person yeah not to you know blow ourselves over here but well yeah man I mean what

what’s been going on in your life like how how are things going on your end things are things are really starting to pick up a pace that I haven’t been accustomed to since like I guess first starting med school as far as like just jumping into the boot camp environment things are starting to that system book really helped me as far as like putting things together seeing things in a certain kind of model and things are firing on cylinders I kind of will just

keep momentum going there’s a recent pot for the name because there’s a guy who was another podcast talking about flow the flow state I want to start reading up on the people that are killing it like how they stay in that this positive momentum is there’s something to it you know it makes sense I mean I don’t know I don’t know if you’re like this I am I am like I will ride that momentum as as much as I possibly can and I and I get to a

point where I just burn out like I will like I’m firing on all my cylinders as you just said and I’ll I’ll just I I get so involved and I’m like a complete workaholic aynd of balance and one of the big messages that I’ve been kind of getting is really just understanding and appreciating the journey aspect like not so much the end result and not so much the okay here’s my destination but more of how am I getting there and the process of everything

it’s 100% agree I didn’t believe that till this last few months as far as kind of like jumping into this abyss and they’re there right like the journey is the process that Sun Soho Kimble shitty but I’m convinced that no matter where you are no matter what your environment is you’re gonna do what you’re gonna do I think it was Osho the I think is Dallas and basically he describes how your life is this river you know you’re going down this river course and you can

put all the rocks you want the river you can make these little tributaries to the side but you’re gonna empty out into the ocean at some point like you eat this vessel this story of yours has happened but you know you’re this is gonna happen no matter what the experience is gonna happen you’re gonna make these certain patterns of behavior because you’re attracting certain type of people in your life and these people are gonna have some influence and based on your

decisions and choices you make this is the story that unfolds so watch it unfold and play with it yeah man it’s easy to become absent-minded and kind of go into robot mode and really just kind of lose yourself and and and get lost in all the the Super Bowl or something and none of that much though yeah I mean none of that stuff really matters none of it really affects your life and I mean these not to you know kind of denigrate these people who obsess over

conspiracy theories or whatever but it’s just it’s just it doesn’t affect me the Illuminati don’t affect me I don’t I mean not not in the direct sense like yeah global policy affects my life but I mean I don’t know any Luba not Illuminati members and I just I I mean it’s interesting I mean it’s entertainment for what it is affecting people because here’s what I’m thinking now if there is an Illuminati right it’s almost mainstream now to the point where

it is people are giving that thought that thought form energy right so they’re they’re giving away their own life’s energy obsessing about whether there’s an Illuminati or not and that was like they’re winning if that is the case that’s genius yeah I mean before like 10 years ago before 9/11 I guess it would be more like 14 years ago but before before then no one really talked about the Illuminati like I always remember I had a conspiracy phase and I really was

obsessed with Bohemian Grove and but it’s what it is incredibly fascinating like the Rothschilds and these people who these blood human effigy rituals that they’re conducting it’s it’s really truly interesting and but I mean I think at the end and you know like when I kind of climbed back out of the rabbit hole I just realized that it was another form of misdirection kind of like the energy that you just said that we’re putting

into it and I mean there there does seem to be these occult orders which which are which are very interesting and their rituals are interesting and you know I think that is I I think that’s no matter what and no matter where you end up and those are cult there’s always an esoteric start of every religion there’s always like the mystics of Buddha even Buddhism the Jews have the Kabbalists you know there’s esoteric mystical you know even Christianity is basically

founded on Jesus as this mystic performing miracles and no matter what kind of no matter where you are you’re gonna have people that gravitate towards that a cult mindset and you’re gonna have people that will form these factions and groups and I guess just like any group they’re gonna say they’re the best group yeah yeah I mean if you have knowledge kind of like in a pyramid and there are a 1% of people who are kind of holding this information I mean

wouldn’t you do the same thing and when you create like a secret society and I think that’s big isn’t that how it started it’s it you think about if we were monkeys right and you know they someone figured out Matt we’re monkeys way to this point we have intelligent brains we can figure out a map the coordinates of the moon or the Sun and we know that when there’s an eclipse you’re telling me that the guy that predict hey the sun’s gonna go black

today they’re not gonna worship and venerate that person and get and take the power of those other you know tribe members that’s probably how this all started I don’t know I don’t know if you’ve gotten into like Robert Monroe’s work he’s kind of a personal hero of mine but he he got and he got into this really interesting stuff and he he basically started having these spontaneous out-of-body experiences and he started journaling them and we

actually have a guest that was featured in his book which which I’ll leave as a surprise but so Monroe got to this point and you can find this in his books where he saw this sort of matrix control system and he basically basically his his point was that we are all being used as batteries like we all are emotions like anger fear love hope all these things were using were being used as the sort of battery system and he went into

this deep sort of depression after that it was it’s a really interesting story you should read that if you haven’t haven’t I mean I was just a friend of mine came in town and I don’t really like to go out had a meter I like liked it one of those piano bars and just looking at everyone on their smartphone there’s everyone’s like devoid of life these this younger generation is so got like far gone it looked like a scene out of idiocracy like the girl some girl was

like taking a selfie of herself like taking a drink out of a plastic cup by the bar like are you you gotta be kidding like she’s like angling her face and like she retook the picture like the first one wasn’t good enough she took the selfie ever take it’s over it’s over I do I do that now as like a coping mechanism like whenever I feel like anxious in a social situation I’ll just pull out my phone and I’ll pretend to look at it so yeah I definitely I

mean I definitely understand what you’re saying about how this generation this this next generation is is sort of I don’t know man it’s we’re in trouble man that the human race is I don’t know I don’t know where we’re going but I guess we’re gonna find out I’m really starting to be convinced that the whole concept of the Antichrist you know that this whole old world theory in a graham hancock and Randall Carlson where they say that the whole modern archaeology is

they’re basically where this pattern repeats where there’s like a ice age then there’s like a window of opportunity where life begins again and we emerge and intelligent life emerges or some of us still survive and then there’s like a comet impact and there’s always this like back and forth pattern of fire and ice right it almost makes sense that we would get to a point where technology exit like we are here to extrude technology like that’s the being

that we are as humans as we are the bacteria on the earth that forms like plastics and spaceships out of loosing material quick we’ve done this before this is our pattern and the Antichrist and that concept of like the end of times is hey like here’s what’s coming we’re gonna develop to this point where we’re like extruding and shooting out technology to the point where it’s like detrimental to everything that’s the Antichrist yeah I mean there’s a lot of

major religions that kind of move around this subject like the Hindus and like the Krishna’s talk about the Kali Yuga zand I’ve been kind of hanging out with these these crazy Krishna people which they’re really cool actually and and they they talk about how we’re in this end phase of this like major or call you Kali Yuga they call it a Kali Yuga and they keep talking about how these awakening type movements are happening why do you think

that Western culture is kind of being like immersed and flooded by all these Eastern philosophies and ways of thought it is it is interesting there has I mean this has been a pattern also there were every generations like this is the last one this is the last round you know like I remember growing up like my parents are pretty religious and they were basically telling me you know like this is you there’s gonna be like you’re gonna be the generation that sees like

the end of times or something and that’s pretty up to kill a little kid but you know how do we know that’s not being infused in people’s brains you know people are being told that hey there is an end of times right there is a an end to things maybe they’re gonna try to manifest that in the reality by you know they assume oh well I’m the last generation I might as well go out with a bang in this like this place up yeah that sounds like a cycle

psychological operation I mean nothing that I know of happened in 2012 and we’re still here so the Mayans I don’t know maybe there’s a misinterpretation of of something and or it was just a really big way to see how we would react to a situation like that I mean if you look at if you look at media and movies why do you think around that same period that we’re seeing all of these these crazy movies about the end of the world and oh my god I mean I think

it’s it’s almost obvious now that we’re with 99% of over that 99% of species are toast on this planet that ever existed that’s clearly gonna happen to us and we’ve just been lucky enough to survive these cycles you know of some kind of like asteroid event and then an ice age and we’re just gonna keep doing this back and forth I think that’s why we try to get off the planet yeah I mean it’s like in our system like we know something’s coming we gotta get the

out of here I would be the first one to take that step like I’m down I’m down to get off the planet but yeah man it’s interesting is interesting how we’ve been kind of moving through these different paradigms and how each generation is given this sort of idea that it’s the last generation and something major is gonna happen with when nothing really does and everything kind of continues on as it was so I guess we’ll see it’s funny you uh when you talked about

getting on to Mars I’ll remember there was like a really low point I had like about a year and a half ago and they’d be I was on some website and they were doing the Mars one applicants and I didn’t like hesitate like it was like there’s this is for a one-way but you know like I was like oh well I might as well like track this I was at at that time holy yeah I don’t think I’ve I don’t think I’ve ever gone that far not yet I mean but I def be down in what

comp what company it was Philly this is the American government that you’re like I think the Elon Musk like Mars not Mars Hill unless there’s there’s like that aren’t they feeling like a reality series supposedly where they’re gonna ship like 12 people to Mars and then they’re gonna want it like someone’s just gonna kill everyone oh my god there’s no way that works I mean imagine the psychological testing that you would have to incur like how

rigorous the training would be just to survive like I mean I’ve been reading there’s there’s some articles out there about how deadly isolation can be and how when you close your off yourself off to society and pee other people you I mean we’re social creatures by nature humans are social by nature so when when you close yourself off to those channels you pretty much go insane so being in space just this major vacuum like I mean

you’re gonna lose your how how proud do you think the first season of Survivor cat the survivor cast is knowing that what they did for reality TV ended up putting a man on them on Mars yeah what an interesting I love I love that though I love those I’ve always wanted I always wanted to be like kind of an anthropologist and kind of study just just to study people is is fascinating to me like watching what people are doing is really

interesting and so I mean I don’t know if you could call like the real world anthropology but it’s definitely it’s definitely a social experiment you know like but yeah man I mean all this is really interesting and and there there are some really interesting kind of guests that are in the line of this thought and like like Tom Campbell is coming up and we’ve got this guy who practices shamanic Judaism coming up next week and and yeah man there’s

there’s there’s a lot of like the the podcast is making a lot of momentum and I really I really see myself doing this for a long time and hopefully people enjoy what we’re doing and talking about even though it seems like we’re circle jerking sometimes you guys shoot us emails like anytime dr. G really wants to hear I’ve gotten I’ve gotten a couple I’ve gotten a couple really heartfelt emails that I that really kind of made me stop and like I was really affected

and yeah I mean these people who you don’t know at all they’re complete strangers who are listening to you talk your voice and this isn’t counting groupies or anything like that and people are telling you how much something that you’re doing means to them I mean it it’s it’s really powerful the feeling that you get from that so yeah man definitely we have your your email up on the website and so people can definitely contact you maybe they

can contact you for medical advice yeah don’t do that for the worst decision you can make but yeah man I’m going to be going to I’m gonna be traveling a little bit this weekend and gonna be doing read rather not I would rather not say where I’m heading hey what’s your were you that right but I’m going to be meeting up with this group that I will also leave unnamed and they practice I mean for them it’s a religion and they basically conduct ease ayahuasca

ceremonies and probably the most transformative most profound thing I’ve ever experienced in my life and I’ve so quickly become so attached and like these these people to me mean so much it’s like my soul family that I’m encountering and like these these old traits these old personality traits negative personality traits that I used to have are no longer there like I almost there’s a marked difference in in you like it’s it’s it’s palpable yeah

man I just I feel more positive I’m not I’m less angry I’m I don’t drink anymore I don’t even have a desire to put that in my body I mean everything like from my diet to my personality and I’m so thankful that you know like like I found this just because I’m I was pretty much teetering and I mean you know this like it was pretty much teetering on offing myself and I mean this this saved my life and so yeah so yeah man I mean I just really excited

for this weekend and everything has been moving so fast and I’ve just been working so hard on the podcast and I will say I mean you can cut that you can edit this out if you want but the most marked difference I’ve noticed is I think you were honestly bordering on an addiction issue like I think you were you were drinking a lot yeah man I was I haven’t even dude yeah you were you were definitely doing some bacchanalian DeVos thank you

well the way it was for me and I’ll explain this is that I would get into an uncomfortable type state I would start to feel bad like whether it was anxiety or whether it was a long day at work or whatever the it was and I would use drinking as a coping mechanism and it wasn’t even like a second thought I would even plan out my day I would plan out my entire day around drinking and like to the to the moment where I would be going to the

store and perching purchasing the alcohol and it was bad man I was and and yeah and I mean you’re a doctor so I mean I think you’re trained to recognize the addiction and I’ll admit it there was there was a very addictive I mean I think and you know this is just my crazy mind wandering but I think that there was a alcohol demon attached to me and through the ayahuasca like I detached it I got it off me and now that it’s gone it’s it’s not hooked into me

and sucking the life out of me anymore so I’m I’m I’m actually putting my energy into things that mean something I mean if whether you want to call it a demon or some kind of thought cost or whatever the pattern is it’s it’s it’s more than just biochemical – because we know for a fact that the studies are coming out from NYU from Johns Hopkins you know from some positions that I was gonna you know that I thought I know that I know of and they are proving that

this is a lot more effective than just AAA or just therapy or taking you know medication there’s the block and that memory is being read the neuronal pathways being reformed were that reformed where there is like this issue there’s there’s some kind of even in biochemically there is work being done by the psychedelics yeah I mean I mean I’ve I’ve noticed such a profound change in my own energy that people treat me differently people are kind and you know I’m not

really used to that I’m too and I’m it kind it kind of like worried me like when it started happening just because I mean people aren’t you know noticeably overly like like kind or generous and and I started noticing that people would kind of go out of their way to help me which is mind-blowing man it and I don’t know just really powerful and just and I really really think that through the ayahuasca sessions that I don’t know man it I I’ve only had like

four sessions three sessions right now so far but yeah it’s a complete it’s like night and day for me and just a complete change it’s incredible yeah I mean it’s it’s a marked difference and it works you know I went I went down to Peru I’ve done it it’s um it saved my life I was I was at a point right now I was at a point my life where I had I lost everything I had you know I was destroyed and I needed to you know I had to set the intention of what is my path

like where do I go from here and the points that were outlined almost have kind of come come to fruition yeah that’s really amazing man I believe it and yeah it’s really interesting it’s the medicine they call they call medicine it’s not fun there’s like there’s nothing Pleasant about an ayahuasca experience I’ll just say that like I I mean it’s you’re nauseous you’re puking purging your your Shing up like it’s it’s it’s not a fun thing you don’t

you don’t you’re not saying to your friends hey let’s let’s go hang out let’s drop some I you ask and get wasted no that’s not how it works at all but you’re I’m sorry go ahead no the good news is you know Roche pharmaceutical within probably ten years will figure out a way to like chemically synthesize it and make a ton of money off whatever it is I mean I don’t really see that happening man just because there’s an actual cure

happening like there I’m it’s actually treating you know my depression and anxiety and my addiction so there’s no there’s no reason for me to go back and and see a doctor and to fill the prescriptions I just I don’t I mean the map since the Maps Institute is is trying to like pharmaceutical eyes MDMA they’re they’re trying to do that for 2021 I think and they want it to be a prescription drug by you know within the next seven eight years that’s gonna

happen for sure yeah oh yeah even LSD now in Europe is being used in a bunch of trials my thing they just start one here and I don’t know how they could possibly make a I mean I guess in a therapeutic session that would be good to use if it was like the pure Sandoz they were using back in the day but even I mean silly if they can extract you know chemically there’s um I think it’s I forgot the the chemical formulation but it’ll acetylate in your liver and

just becomes like the act of solisten i think it’s for it for a co DMT or something like that where you can get the chemical version of it and then it becomes sillas in their in your system and you can I think John’s Hoffman’s was using that or one of the other schools one of the other studies was using that because it’s very hard to kind of titrate I guess the psilocybin dosage in mushrooms so they were s they synthesized it and I think it was like

two point eight grams was super effective in relieving anxiety and like terminal people that were dying of cancer they were giving them and they they went off in a not much psychological pain yeah I think it was um it was either McKenna I think it was McKenna who had this sort of trip where he met this entity of the mushroom and it told him that it was from outer space and it had been around for thousands of years before human civilization and I

just find it interesting like like food of the gods that book was it was really interesting and that’s a great book for him that is a great book but yeah man I you asked has completely occupied my being my consciousness I’m more positive I feel happy I mean not to say I don’t have ups and downs but I just more stable than I was before I did it I try I tried to ask you this after you did it I I hate to like keep pestering you about it but it just fat this is the

thing that fascinates me the most about that space is you should mention that it clicked for you like you just you got past this wall what was the message or what was in that space that it was fine was it the purge itself or was there um some really you really want to know this like you want to know the answer to this it’s so simple it was just surrender I think it’s that I mean I guess maybe it’s simple but it’s just surrendering to call it the

universe or God I mean if you’re an atheist I don’t know but um yeah yeah man just letting go of your fear your misconceptions your preconceived notions about what you think is real and and and true and all of the that you hold in your body all the negativity that you pick up like every day just letting that go and you know are you ask us not this be all and all and I don’t recommend anyone do it outside of a clinical controlled setting but this is all

allegedly of course I mean no I mean the group that I’m doing with that has a DEA license and they’re they’re regulated to to distribute this as a medicine so I’m not breaking any laws by by doing ayahuasca within this group but but yeah man just just the idea of really letting go of of what you’re afraid of these ideas and and these things that hinder you if you can learn to do that actively I mean I you Oscar just is a tool that shows you how to do that and

yeah man that is crazy stuff man I mean how often would you recommend doing it to me it’s become like maintenance and I I plan on pursuing my relationship with this group as much much possible I and they train sort of shamans their version of shamans and so I plan on going down that road and I would say to do it once a month is is about we’re on that right now I mean it gets better with each ensuing time or is there more no I wouldn’t I mean I guess yeah I guess the

like an onion peeling an onion like you’re the first thing and like all of your physical like your addictions and your anxieties and your fears but each each experience that I’ve had has been so radically different than the last and from from the people that I’ve met that are there and have been doing it for like thirty years in in the jungle in the Amazon and they’ve you know they’ve they’ve kind of echoed that same opinion just that it changes every time that you

do it even the even in the Amazon they were saying that the shaman was day to day he would sometimes take a little bit and have a crazy you know I have a wild experience and then the largest dose wouldn’t even affect them so I guess it it all depends I mean how did you how did you end up like in the Amazon like can you listen can you share that story I don’t wanna go into too much specifics on it but something super catastrophic

happened to me in the middle of a very tumultuous time where to the point where I lost everything that I had everything that I owned in a pretty in a horrible is a horrible catastrophe and the the the plant kept coming up almost in a synchronistic way Oh what just certain contacts that came up you know I was interested in a certain field certain people like emailed me and I got contacts ran a certain people they kept recommending that I do rotation with

this person who’s letting this plant medicine I just kept coming up you know documentaries for things in the news and as this catastrophic event happened the first thing after the first thing I had was relief I felt this feeling of oh it’s gone like everything’s done and lost in this this event and I felt really free and then the next thing I felt was oh I’m gonna end up in Peru and I’m gonna go do ayahuasca and that was through some

series of wild events I ended up getting this I ended up going down there as a rotation for four for credit so to work with a to work with a physician down there and is is actually it’s nice row down in the quito dr. Joe two to four he is he’s the bet I mean he’s amazing if anyone’s interested in going I can’t wreck it’s a this a centered a spiritual I believe it is and I Ricardo I believe is the shaman there hmm and why are you sorry sorry go ahead

no no why do you think that there is there seems to be this movement of people who are being drawn towards going to the jungle and taking ayahuasca why do you what do you think that is I mean when he what he told me I don’t want to speak you know on his behalf but he shared with me that the other physicians that have had those you know those type of mystical experiences whether it was in med school or wherever in their lives and they realized that there was a lot

more to this and they wanted they ended up exploring that path I know there’s a lot of I’m assuming they’ve had those experiences in order to kind of go down that path and I think that’s why so many psychiatrists and doctors are kind of exploring that’s or even researchers are exploring that space because of you know people that that are in academia or intelligent people that are professionals that are you know dabbling so to speak or having these these

experiences and realizing that there’s so much more to the toxic that’s being spewed out of just literature you know even I mean look at what’s happening if you know if what’s going on with say like Randall Carlson or Graham Hancock or they do find out that there is this you know gobekli tepe and all these other different archaeological sites that we’re completely wrong about our archaeology I mean we’re completely wrong every 10

years about physics it’s only fair that we’re gonna be wrong about psychiatry psychology medicine you know every other aspect Wow yeah that’s so powerful man just learning and you know like people people like Graham Hancock who are just supporting the awareness and and I actually have a guest that is gonna talk about ayahuasca next week and I mean it’s it’s such a powerful amazing like ritualistic thing and I mean yeah and and I think spreading awareness it it

was Brad Burge of the the Maps Institute I think I think what my takeaway from what what he that interview was just when you have psychedelic experiences that change your life talk about them because I think so many people are afraid to kind of come out and and talk about this stuff and and our society is so up that you know we we criminalize these these activities and we regulate this this idea of of the government being able to tell me like

what what I can or can’t to put into my body and I mean it it really is a big scam and so I just I mean yeah I would encourage people to and if you’re struggling PTSD and if you have addiction disorders and I mean really look into going to the Amazon I mean I I mean that does seem like a luxury and it is or or if it’s helped you you know come out of the closet so to speak about it and tell people because that’s the only way they’re gonna know you know it’s it’s it

was one of the property that it was probably the the most important experience of my entire life I would say that was the most healing the most healing thing that’s ever happened to me and I was really I was I know exactly your friend when I was going on a bad path like it saved me yeah yeah easily hands-down just I I I’m sure and you know my my closest friends and my and my family they will attest to this and I just um I mean I’m just very

very grateful for that the ability and to find locate this very secretive group that I mean if you know who I’m talking about you you either do or you don’t and but they they do exist and yeah I’m just I just feel really lucky man there was one I mean that there’s so many different aspect you know because one session is different the next but there’s one thing that’s been you know the last few months there was something that appeared in one of the ceremonies

to me that’s been a struggle of mine and it was I ended it I was in this like carnival and these it was like a shooting gallery and these like things were just throwing coins and like a lot of sexual imagery at me and I realized like they were showcasing like this is the path you’re going on and I would see this giant tomb and I would see this body like dropping into this tomb over and over and over again and I was like coming to take a look at it and it was

me I was brought in this tomb and I kept going down this hole and just over and over and over again and it was so clear with the message well the interesting thing about ayahuasca is since we were kind of riding this topic is it’s it’s completely organic meaning everything that like all all the compounds that make up I you ask I are exist in your body already so it’s so you’re not putting this like sort of foreign element like DMT exists in your

brain and your your stomach produces Meo eyes is that is that correct dr. G as far as the the ayahuasca working in the oral form no no I mean your stomach does produce Meo is right yeah there’s your there’s linings of maoi all over your toe and your intestinal system yeah so I mean so it’s it’s kind of this natural thing and I’m even moving towards like like I’m less drawn towards eating meat and I don’t know man it’s it’s really

really powerful and and I mean I and I hate to harp on it so much but let me know as I’m sorry I mean it was an MAOI would be inhibiting and causing it it probably trip harder yes I mean isn’t it it isn’t it isn’t the Mao I what allows it to cross DMT to cross the blood-brain barrier because yeah if so it’s if you take an MAOI inhibitors as a to block the Mao Mao then it will induce the longer form of it whereas your lining of

your lungs doesn’t have the Mao which is why it rapidly under bring the ER blood-brain barrier doesn’t have it so it just rapidly degrades when people and take dimethyltryptamine interesting so yeah man um just to to wrap this up is there any anything you wanted to bring up or anything before we close this episode out guys blow us up I just for me I just wanted to say thank you to everyone that has been listening to our show and coming back and and and

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fun than like it hits me sometimes during some of these interviews like I was just watching you know we’re gonna have Tom Campbell on I was just watching my big toe I’m like I don’t even know what I came you know what to begin to ask this guy hey you know this guy’s explaining the universe is a hologram and he has a smoothly proof of it I don’t know where to begin yeah I’m excited for that interview as well but yeah man this is um Xavier and dr. G

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