Episode 106 – Nassim Haramein on Unified field theory – physics, the connected nature of everything and more

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a lot of time alone to ponder how is the natural world occurring and how did I end up in the middle of it like the strange thing for me that all of a sudden we arrive here and we have this thing we call consciousness and if we were to tap just one billionth of a percent of what’s in a centimeter cube of space we could run our planet for thousands of years the next step in the human evolution I believe very strongly is to actually learn the more

fundamentally what gravity is and learn to control it and then free humanity from being stuck on only one planet it’s very difficult to bring new ideas to this world much of my work has been censored it’s extremely difficult for me to publish because it was right along the lines of what I was thinking earlier that maybe the space is responsible for matter not matter defining the space

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what’s up folks Xavier katana here you are listening to the human experience our guest for today mr. Nassif and we get into wow the interconnected nature of the universe and the work that he’s doing over at the resonance foundation very interesting episode I think you guys will really enjoy this one thank you so much for listening the human experiences in session my guest for today is mr. Nasim Hermann Nasim it’s a pleasure sir thank you for making

the time welcome to hxp thank you thank you for having me Seema I’ve been following your work for a long time but many people might not know who you are can you just give us an introduction of who you are Who I am is a very deep question I think that most people contemplate throughout their lives but I have been doing physics for some thirty years I wrote I think significant physics theory that have a deep impact on the standing of ourselves the world

around us and our relationship to the universe some of these theories are now confirmed by experiments and it’s a theory that unifies quantum physics with relativity that unifies gravity with the quantum world of subatomic particles and atoms so this was something that I instant worked on for a good portion of his life after he wrote relativity because there was this chasm that was generated as a result of his equations between the

physics we use for the big stuff like planets and stars and galaxies and and all this stuff and the atomic structure you know electrons protons and subatomic particles so after all this kind of came to bear Einstein worked literally till the day he died like he was working on net lay in to the last minute trying to find a solution that would unify those two physics hmm very interesting so I mean this has been a problem in Western physics for a very

long time a sort of gap in understanding between the macrocosm and the microcosm exactly and you know the two views don’t agree with each other one says that space-time is smooth Einstein field equations says space-time is smooth it’s curving and the curvature of space-time produce gravity but these equations Einstein field equations don’t actually define exactly what is space-time you know and then quantum theory says it’s not smooth it says that it’s quantized

that it’s discrete that is it’s little bits little particle and so the two don’t agree and that makes it so that we can’t find a way or so far it hasn’t been found either than what I wrote a way in which gravity which is Einstein field equations can be applied at the quantum level of the subatomic particles and the particles that makes up the material world but the thing is is that the big things that Einstein field equations deal with like planets and stars and all

this stuff is all made out of small stuff you know like particles that makes the quantum world and so really it’s a deeper question and it is a question of how is the quantum world able to organize to make what’s called a classical world or the larger microcosm that we experience every day and that leads to even deeper questions which is what is the source of organization how does things know to come together in certain ways that make it possible for

us to even be here and to be able to ponder the question in the first place you know right and so that is very profound and you would expect a theory that would unify the fields of relativity and quantum physics would answer some of those deeper questions about transcends biology how does biological system all of a sudden self-organized it’s very it’s a big mystery you know biological systems are very complex and for them to occur on the

random function is very unlikely extremely unlikely and so what is the source of their organization how do cell know to divide in livers and hearts and everything else to produce an organism with a hundred trillion cells like a human being with a thousand billion billion chemical change every second that makes everything work just fine you know all these things are unanswered questions that you would expect a unified view of physics would start to

answer it would start to tell us what is the source at the very profound at a very fundamental level how did you get into solving this equation like why did you feel this draw towards solving this equation early on when I was a kid I didn’t fit in very well into the educational system into society in general I was kind of an odd kid I was in Canada I was odd in the way that the color of my skin and my name was odd relative to the people

there you know I have a Persian name you know Iran at the time was unknown almost me most people there didn’t even know there was a country with that name I was born in Switzerland I was never in Iran but you know even being from Switzerland I had a different culture at home and I thought differently I was very interested in nature and because I didn’t have much interaction with the external world I develop a sense of my internal self in relationship to nature

in which I wandered a lot I had a lot of time alone to ponder how is the natural world occurring and how did I end up in the middle of it like the strange thing for me that all of a sudden we arrive here and we have this thing we call consciousness and we’re able to you know interact with this world and it’s like how did this all happen how did I get here what is this thing I called my consciousness and how is this world coming together and so I I sat in

meditation thinking about those things a lot and when I did you know when I observed nature or even when I observed people I could see there was pattern this one thing I could see that was seem to be everywhere is that there was pattern that they you know like the patterns that the branches of a tree that the the patterns that makes the leaves of a flower you know the way people interact when they walk together you know I could see all kinds of

patterns and I thought well these patterns must emerge from somewhere I mean took me years before I realize yeah those patterns are actually based on mathematical constants that that you find in nature like the way branches divide the way roots divides the way your fingers grow the way you know your arms relative to your body are very specific ratios like all these ratios that nature seemed to use points to a some kind of fundamental geometry that

must be present right you know to produce those patterns and that intrigued me and I wanted to understand it I wanted to know and those questions were not the typical questions that ten-year-old asked and so I you know I wasn’t getting answers to some of these questions and I was really inquisitive brain that launched me into really kind of examining some of the fundamental assumptions we make about reality and to think that there may be places where we

missed important actions that makes up the way we write math the way we write physics if we modify those axioms a little bit to actually match better what we observe in nature we would get to different conclusions and so I explored that and that you know why not pursue this through a traditional course why not pursue a PhD with a university or something like that because I didn’t fit in very well in the educational system and funny enough my

father is a child psychologist that you know was very much involved with the director of the child psychology section at the University of Montreal for years he was he did his PhD under Piaget which is the father of child psychology I was the perfect case study case because I just didn’t fit in well I eventually early on had to leave the educational system I got into the ski industry I was a professional skier for many years of professional climber you

know I was backcountry guide and all this and now you know and because I love nature and I loved being in nature all through those years I continued pursuing this lifelong quest to understand the basis of reality the basis of nature I realized when I finally you know choose to dedicate my life fully to that endeavor I realized that if I were to go back to the educational system I would have to accept very specific ways of thinking very specific ways of thinking

about the world that I was not willing to compromise you know I wanted to learn but I wanted to learn in a way in which I could make my own opinion about what was being taught okay and I didn’t feel like the educational the the standard educational system was gonna allow me that latitude that that freedom because the the search was was mainly for self-satisfaction that I was not even thinking that I would ever publicize it or you know talk about it in the public

or anything it was from my own self-satisfaction so I so instead I decided to study in the pan I used the university libraries and the university resources that I could get to to learn so I sold all my equipment I let go of all my sponsorships I mean I had rosin two fairly high levels of proficiency in the ski industry I was one of the top-rated skier in Canada you know and I I let it all go and I moved into a van and I spent five years in a

van you know traveling around mostly staying put in desert area and mountain areas and studying some 15 to 20 hours a day it was very very intense seven days a week five years non-stop to catch up on all the physics and all the math and all the ancient civilization that I was studying as well and everything I needed to study and be able to move as fast as I could in trying to elucidate this great mystery to see my you know I really want

to get into what we call reality the nature of reality I got a chance to watch the connect Universe last night and something that you talk about in that documentary that you produced was how empty our reality how space makes up most of what we see in the observable world is that accurate yeah exactly that was one thing that had shocked me the most when that was in high school before I dropped out was that I asked I think it was my chemistry teacher at the time

you know what is matter made of and what is the percentage of space in matter and I was very very much shocked to find that the material world everything we the chair you’re sitting on the desk everything the walls everything is made out of 99.99999% space and and the things that we’re saying is not space is not really anything like physical it’s actually electrostatic fields that and interacting with each other and because they interact with each other

it appears solid to us so we call it matter but it’s not actually stuff it’s actually just charge or fields in the space and so I start to think even at the time when I was about 13 or 14 I started to think that maybe we should study the space maybe the 99.999999% that makes up the space that’s providing the energy for the rest of stuff that we call matter and so that was really kind of a launch point for me I started to think maybe

space is not empty maybe space is full full of energy okay and you’re talking about the vacuum is that that we were referring to yeah so eventually in physics I realized that the fullness of space the energy in the vacuum was discovered almost a hundred years ago and that space in quantum theory in quantum field theory is not empty at all it’s full of energy and not a little bit full it’s extremely full of energy so people might have a hard time

visualizing that so for the listeners I’m gonna give you a visual you know the space you’re in right now for instance is full of electromagnetic field it’s got radio waves it’s got infrared it’s got galactic cosmic rays it has all kinds of stuff happening in it and because your senses are not necessarily tuned to those frequencies you don’t realize that there’s all this stuff going on in the space around you or even in the space inside you now you know

since atoms are 99.99999% space you know like you’re made out of that space too and you gotta remember that now if you think about all these electromagnetic waves that are going on in the space around you you can imagine that there’s higher and higher and higher and higher frequencies where the wavelength is getting shorter and shorter and shorter and the energy levels are going you know is getting higher and higher and higher right you can imagine that so

it was found in quantum field theory that actually you can’t get space to stop oscillating meaning if you try to get rid of all the electromagnetic fluctuation and cool the area even to absolute zero you still have oscillation called plunk oscillations they’re called plumb because they have the plunk link in in wavelength and and it’s a very very small value meaning it’s it’s a very very high frequency if you if you were to take a little clock

oscillator and you grew it to the size of a grain of sand then the proton which is teeny in the middle of an atom would be from here to Alpha Centauri in diameters so you can imagine it’s happening these oscillation of the electromagnetic field is happening in the structure of space-time at the quantum level that billions of times smaller than an atom so we generally don’t know it’s there but they were predicted by theory a long time ago and

it’s been ignored largely because the number is insanely large meaning the amount of energy in the semi cube of space because of these little oscillations exceeds the mass of the universe by 39 orders of magnitude it’s it’s huge it’s the amount of energy in space in the structure space in terms of electromagnetic plant fluctuations is huge but it’s critical to quantum theory and they can’t get rid of that number and so that really intrigued me because

it was right along the lines of what I was thinking earlier that maybe the space is responsible for matter not matter defining the space David Bohm was responsible for coining the holographic universe right mm-hmm okay so I was just gonna ask why is there such a big gap in our understanding of I mean how can we harness this empty that’s the thing is so the equations you know first of all I was very intrigued because I thought wow if we could have

the energy available in the structure of space and and I’m gonna correct your terminology there again you know we have a tendency to say empty space and what I’m telling you is that there is no such thing so the structure of space it’s called vacuum fluctuation or quantum vacuum fluctuation and in physics if we were to tap just one billionth of a percent of what’s in a centimeter cube of space we could run our planet for thousands of years so it was very

appealing but more importantly what it was leading to and eventually what it said when I started to write the math and write the physics and all this for that is that all of the material world is actually a function of that energy in space of that information network that’s in space you can think of every little oscillator a little every little plunk oscillator has a little bit of information and that’s where it it starts to relate to bombs idea of a

holographic universe and eventually the holographic principle that was point by doof and such skin which is very accurate to describe the surface of black holes and their energy level and their temperature and this holographic view has been growing quite a bit it you might have seen on covers of magazine do we live on in a holographic universe is our universe a holographic projection we’re starting to discover that the interest maybe this information network

that’s occurring at the very fine level at the very fine-grain of space-time so it’s saying that Einstein was right space-time curves but if you get really really close to space-time if you look at the very very small level of space-time it’s actually not smooth by its dragger in little bits of information of a plant link and so I used that I eventually you know it took me some twenty five years to get there you know all the complexity

of physics is it’s hard to write a unified view of physics because you have to study many different fields of physics that usually don’t get studied together you know because it takes a lifetime to study only one so I was fortunate that by studying independently I could study much faster I didn’t have any exams of function you know so I could study much faster but eventually I realized maybe this information structure of space-time is the source of

what we call the material world and of course if we understood these mathematics if we understood these physics it would change everything we do everything we know in technology in the way we interact with the world and how we produce energy how we how we transport ourselves you know I mean we’re talking space drives your teleportation I mean all these things became possible if this was true so I pursued it and eventually I realized

that I could write equation which led to the holographic math solution where I just looked at the information and how it behaved in the structure of space and I couldn’t output exactly the mass of protons the mass of electrons the way atoms produce forces and all this all this to spell out of it and it was very very precise and now it’s been verified in laboratory so many questions there as painting why is spins entry in force

mean I’ve seen you cover this several times why spin so II to all okay well think about it this way so imagine that base is full of these little plonk oscillators and we’re gonna equate that to the water in your bath and so you’re in your bath you’ve got water in there and you pull the plug okay and you have a rubber ducky right and you have the rubber ducky on one end of the bath far away from the plug and it’s not doing anything

it’s just bopping along over there it doesn’t have any coherency it’s not doing anything you could know this for predict you know it’s just going up and down and and bopping but if you bring it close to the drain all of a sudden is gonna start orbiting right it’s gonna start orbiting the brain because water is going down the drain and the surface of the water is curving and in that region of the bath all the molecules are spinning together comoving together

producing coherency and so that coherency is not present on the other side of the bath so you’re not seeing the rubber ducky spinning you’re not seeing the rubber ducky being attracted to anything so you think there’s no gravity in that region right but in the region where all the little particles are Co moving they’re spinning together there you see that the rubber ducky seems to be attracted to the center of the orbitals right and you would say oh

there’s a gravitational force there right there’s a mass there so imagine the same thing in the structure of space managing that the structure of space is all these bits of information oscillating and imagine that like only in the region where they’re coherently cool moving then you experience them as there’s something there all of a sudden there’s a master you’re calling it a proton you’re calling it an atom you’re calling it you know a star you’re

calling it a galaxy right like a galaxy is a good example that people can visualize like a huge smoothie you can imagine that the smoothie is occurring in the structure of space itself like a hurricane right but you’re seeing the stuff that stuck in the hurricane that’s stuck in in the spinning but what is actually spinning is that field of information in the structure of space-time not sure if I understand that the field of structure of space-time you lose a

little bit more so imagine that space-time is like a superfluid like the water in your back right and so where space-time is spinning like this it’s coherent like all the bits of information are coherently Co moving in that region of space dare you see it as a gravitational field you see it as like oh yeah if I put a rubber ducky here if I put a star here it’s gonna orbit and it’s gonna feel like it’s being attracted to the center of the galaxy

you see what I’m saying okay if you put the same star in between two galaxies you don’t see that right gravity is not pulling on it anywhere there because base time in that region is not orbiting it’s not spinning it’s not coherent hmm so where spin is present is because this coherency in the structure of space-time this there’s a vortex there if you’d like that is what we call gravity so Einstein was correct in his equation that gravity is like the water surface

curving in your bath going towards the drain and that’s what he described it described as space-time as a surface curving space-time curvature it’s called but he didn’t describe space-time so so eventually you didn’t realize that it’s curving because the bits that makes up space-time are spinning in that region that’s what’s making it curved hmm interesting interesting so that’s why spin is so critical because if you understand that all of a sudden you have

a very important key this is very very important if this is true that means that if you succeed in spinning space-time you can create gravitational fields you can create mass you can create curvature in space-time which means that of a sudden you can produce space drives or you know you can make things that would allow us to produce artificial gravitational field or control gravitational field and that would lead to a very different

civilization than the one we have today you know we’ve evolved the level of civilization we have today because we eventually learned about electromagnetic fields magnetic fields we figured out how to interact with them how to control them to make electricity to make everything we see in our modern society the next step in the human evolution I believe very strongly is to actually learn the more fundamentally what gravity is and learn to control it and

then free humanity from being stuck on only one planet you have been listening to the human experience to hear the rest of this episode with miss Ernestine Herman please get to the human XP dock on /members that is the human XP dock home slash members remember what we’re doing support what we do here and thank you so much for listening you

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