Episode 169 – Near Death Experiences, Is there an afterlife? What happens when we die? w/ Lynn Russell

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we're going to be exploring some of the implications that may be introduced by this being a real thing we're going to be looking at some of the deeper mysteries about life here on earth it's gonna be a great show so whether you're hearing the replay

version of this or you're here with us live please just go grab a drink sit back and enjoy this conversation the human experience is in session my name is xavier katana my guest for tonight is lynn russell lynn is a world expert on near-death experiences she has

worked directly with dr jeffrey long who is the founder of the near-death experience research foundation where she studied thousands of nde cases she's also studied developments in consciousness research quantum theory and cosmology lin has spent over 60

years studying world religious philosophy she has is also the author of the wonder of you what the near-death experience tells you about yourself a book in which she explores the answers to some of the deepest questions in life such as why are we here what is our

purpose and what happens to us when we die lynn it's such a pleasure thank you so much for making the time and the space to do this show welcome to hxp thank you very much for having me i'm looking forward to it lynn so i mean you've been doing this

work for so long and it's i mean you've must have collected so much data in your travels but i'd really like to set the stage for this broadcast and what we're going to be talking about how did you choose a career in studying consciousness and the near-death experience and what

drove you to ask these questions you know what is our purpose and why are we here well it began as a child my grandfather died and i bet that told me that i was going to die that everybody dies and i was part of that so that frightened me i didn't want to die

um and i was very very frightened about it for a long time so it went to my mother who was an atheist and i asked her what happens after we die and she said nothing you just disappear and that was not the answer my eight-year-old self wanted to hear

yeah and so that just really frightened me even more and i went out of my way to start learning as a child actually around nine i began going to different churches and reading and studying just different religions throughout the world huh i mean it's really curious you know this

i've been really interested in the near-death experience for a long time we've done a couple episodes about it here on hxp and it's really curious you know it's really curious that this phenomena could occur um you know i want to know let's let's define that for for anyone

that might not know about this this process or this idea what is a near-death experience um well first of all uh i want to remove the name near excuse me even though everybody uses near-death experience the people who have had the experience

can get quite upset about that because to them it wasn't near it was real and it did happen and it sort of disqualifies their experience a bit um so death experience is when a person dies actually dies they die in car accidents or or operations or heart attacks or

whatever and they leave their body they have a spiritual experience usually and then they are sent back to their body because they're not finished yet they have to finish whatever they've come here to do so that's in a nutshell what a near-death experience is

um okay i mean i love that i mean so i mean they're they're certainly there are common features within these experience as you study case after case after case there should be some things that are people have in common some things that are different

are there people who don't have anything happen to them when they die well well first excuse me when when when we say that a person is dead does it does it mean that you know their heart has stopped there's no brain function is that you know

they're dead for a few minutes well actually um the ones in the hospital that die in the hospital um usually are resuscitated immediately and because that happens there's not enough time to know whether that person is actually dead like three or four minutes

isn't enough time but some of the people are dead for a very long time and sent down to the morgue and come back and they're in riga mortis so it's a long you know that's a long time for that to have happened and you i think rigamore just starts around four hours

after death around there and it is full-fledged riga mortis uh 12 to 13 hours later oh my i mean that's like jesus level you know like you're you're coming back it's four hours you're steading into you know rigor mortis i've never heard of that

before ever so okay so you know getting into the the features of the experience itself um are there people who have nothing happen to them when they die like there's just black yes yes yes there are and i'm just beginning to understand that to be

honest with you um it turns out that they can look the people who have died and look back down on our earth can see people they can see our all of us and they can see their loved ones or they can see a whole humanity and they see it's sort of like a cloud over the

people that they just have very negative thinking and they're very um their world is very they're angry or they're depressed or they're not satisfied with the world that they live in and those people and that doesn't mean everybody who has a death

experience loves life either but for some reason these people stop themselves they they put up a wall and they won't allow themselves to leave or to have a full experience hmm okay so oh that's brand new so i'm just just it's brand new i mean what

do you want what do you mean brand new to me okay okay so okay so there are some people that do not have anything happen to them they just simply die and it's just black and you you say the connection that you make is that these people who seem to have

this experience are people who don't tend to ask the bigger questions about life they're kind of just like you know whatever i'm just here maybe they're too busy with their nine to fives you know something yeah yeah and depressed and angry and just a negative attitude

towards everything and around them yeah um there is a an nde on ndrf um the near death experience research foundation yeah um and his name is justin you okay and he explains it beautifully it just it just went click when i read his story i thought oh

that's so perfect okay please tell us well it's just exactly what i just told you that that there are people who have this darkness or this this wall around themselves that they when they die they won't allow themselves to go anywhere do anything they just are

not going to open up to moving from where they are as a matter of fact i never understood ghosts i always thought ghosts were sort of like yeah right i still kind of do but um but but i can see that maybe some of these people that have this wall around

them are what become ghosts although i don't know that yet so that's a speculation okay okay okay so moving forward a little bit so you know i i mentioned this a little bit earlier that there are some common features to this experience so let's you know let's go through that

let's so let's say you know a person has an experience and it causes them to lose brain function and it stops their heart they die they are clinically dead what what is the first thing that happens in your in your research what are people what do people say the first thing that

happens is well they're out of their body but beyond that there isn't one specific thing that happens to everyone when they get to the other side there are specific things that happen but when they first leave their body they leave in many many different

methods or many different ways sometimes people will be at the ceiling looking down at what's happening and then move on other people will have a um a guide or relatives even that have deceased loved ones that made them and bring them sometimes they go up into near um outer

space and look out into outer space and other ones go through tunnels and the big thing that i want people to understand sorry is that sorry my no problem have some water please yeah the big thing i want people to understand is no two experiences are

alike and the reason why that is so is because we create the experience we have now not the knowledge and not this there are things as you've asked that everybody has simply because they become spirit but not everybody has the same tunnel for example or goes

to the same garden or sees the same buildings like there's completely different experiences depending on the individual huh i mean it's it's really intriguing so so from my understanding you know we we are the architects of our own reality and

when we have this separation experience it's very much dictated by what we think and perceive of the world and that's what we get that's what we encounter at first at least right so then i mean i've everyone has heard about the tunnel of light right so is that sort of

the next step into this well well some people use a tunnel and every tunnel is different and some people go as i said to outer space sometimes the light is in the room with them when they leave their body there's the light and they just enter

into the lighter they enter into the sphere room realm um so it there isn't one specific thing when it comes to the leaving of the body but there are things that do happen that everybody has for example when they are out of their body i would

say 90 of the people maybe 99 um will feel warmth comfort peace and love they they it's not a frightening experience at all there are some who do have a fright they get frightened but that's not norm the other thing that happens is that they

are able to move with thought the mere thought of being somewhere and they can be there instantly um that all communication is done through telepathy and a big one for me that it's fake because and it will be big when you understand but anyway the big one is um

the oneness that they feel this connection to everything sure yeah okay so so i want to move a little bit further but have you have you ever read an account where a person does not move towards the light yes sure i've i've read accounts where

people go to the negatives they have a negative experience wait so so you're saying that if you don't move towards the light you have a in your words a negative experience no no i'm saying that some people don't go at all they stay at this physical level and

they wander around the world and they'll go visit their relatives sometimes or they'll you know they just wander around the world and explore things sometimes some people do that i'm sorry i'm so sorry to bump you there uh so could we could we say that the light

that we see is some sort of portal that allows us to move into this higher realm this sort of ascended realm well the the higher realm as you call it is actually the other side and it is very bright very bright there's lights everywhere like

everything is light and bright it looks like the middle of the day all the time however there is also the light that people see and that's a whole different experience okay okay so so let's just say you know that uh someone has died and they're outside of their body and

you know they see the light appear tunnel light they move towards it right where are we what what starts what's the common thing that happens okay the most common thing that happens is they go through a tunnel and um as they're traveling through the

tunnel some people will see a fork in the tunnel and decide to go left to right which up or down or whatever um but the and that's what i was meaning when i said a negative experience that people will be going through the tunnel and they will see a fork and they will find

themselves going into a very negative experience but the thing that i want to stress with that is that the people who go into the negative experience first of all as soon as they ask to be taken out they are right away immediately the second point is that when they get

taken out and they ask what was that all about they will be told that that's something they did to themselves that they created that themselves you know what i'm trying to ascertain lynn is you know it as just as the physical dimension has a set of laws like gravity

and those things i i want to you know try to ascertain if this other realm this other side also has you know some sort of you know structure or rule set and it so it seems it's okay so it seems like willpower is one of the main sort of i don't know one of the main factors

that what you just choose is what occurs right yeah and some people will go to a garden some people go to cities some people go to both like there's gardens and cities fixed together some people go to the mountains some people go to the you know

wherever they want to go they can go i'm sorry go ahead i was just going to tell about a couple of ladies and this illustrates how individual and how we have a role to play when the person dies all disabilities are gone instantly they're gone they're just there's

nothing there and so the seat the blind sea the death can hear the disabled can walk and run and dance and whatever else so with with that in mind there was a lady who had a son who was disabled and he was severely disabled and so he died before she had her death

experience when she died she went on to the other side and she saw him of course but she saw him as still being disabled in her mind he was still disabled and she carried him around with her so you need to you know for her to be able to see him that way

it's because that's what she created in her mind because that's how she knew him there was another lady who um she she saw three beautiful souls and so she said oh i want to be beautiful like that and so they immediately took her to a place

where this man did hocus pocus over and she felt like okay now she was beautiful and then um she leaves there and she feels like she has somewhere she has to go and she doesn't know where but she just knows she has to go and there's a highway there and so she

needs to get onto the highway and she needs a car and her guide comes along and says no no you don't need a car you can travel by thought but she doesn't believe him so they eventually get her a car but it keeps breaking down on her and so finally she gives the thought business a

try and it works so the point is you see she created all of that she created that she wasn't beautiful she created the man that was going to make her beautiful she created the highway and she created the car so so i mean one of one of your favorite

accounts of an nde is that proves it in a way is is the story of the big shoe what is the story of the big shoe and you know why is it one of your favorites oh that's some with the blue shoe actually um and it's online anybody can find it just look up the blue shoe

what the story with that is and i like it because it illustrates without question what's going on um and so that's why i like it this lady had an operation and during the operation she left her body and she died so while they're working on her to try

and bring her back she goes traveling around you know around all over the place and then she comes back into her body and they finish the operation and she wakes up in the recovery room and there's a a social worker there that is greeting her

and um so she tells the social worker that there's this blue shoe that's sitting on a ledge outside the hospital by a window under just under a window that by uh but it's on the ledge and so um she tells people about this she tells nurses she tells doctors nobody believes

her so finally this social worker says okay i'll go and see what i can find so the shelter worker now you need to know that the operating room was on the second floor she goes so the social worker looks for the shoe and finds it on the seventh floor

just outside of a window and it's it's white shoe with blue trim and the laces are blue as well so and she this lady that marie actually or maria um the lady that described it had described it exactly as it would be if she was out in the middle of the air

looking at it so that he was a really good illustration that something going on right because she had information that she there's no way that she could have possibly had which was you know she was floating outside somehow saw the shoe there and then confirmed it you know

when she was back in her body right so okay so you know let's move forward a little bit more and you know um when so let's say we get to the other side and it's common to see family members guides what is you know what is the process that some of

these people who've had these experiences what do they see what are they being told yeah well first of all the first thing that people c is physical they see a physical world and a physical body they see their loved one standing there physically they hug

them they eat they drink they sleep they do all kinds of things on the other side that is physical but they don't have a physical body they've left their physical body behind in their spirit but because that's how they remember that's how they relate to is the physical so

that's why they um are seeing physical so that's the first thing so though most people meet their their loved ones there the ones who have passed ahead have hurt them not everybody some people know that their loved ones are around but they're

you know they go off and do other things um and they can do all kinds of different things but one of the things that almost everyone does is they have um a live review and that's a yeah that that's a very significant thing because in the life review they see all the

uh their whole life from the beginning to the end of at least until that that experience happened until they've died um and in the knife review they see how they treated others it there's nothing else that that they look at they don't look at um

the car they drove or the job they had or any of those it's just strictly how they were with each other wow okay that's that's a bit surprising it's so it's not you know what thoughts you had how you felt about yourself some of the experience seeing some of the

experiences that you went through but how you treated your fellow human being yes that's a major one that's the they may they may get in information about if they're confused or puzzled about that they did something they don't understand why they did it

they might get an explanation but primarily it's to look at how they were with each other and and it goes even farther than that because they not only become they literally become the other person and feel what that person felt with when they had their exchange but they

also feel how that person took that information beyond into their lives so for example if something negative happened and they would feel the pain that the person felt from that negative experience but they would also feel um how that is see that person treated the

store clerk because they were cranky now or because or they cut off somebody in traffic things like that they feel those things as well wow that's absolutely fascinating so it's not just how we treat the other person but also we we get the perspective that they also had so it's

also you know sort of multi-dimensional in that you know you're experiencing both sides of it and how it impacted them and and their life you know as as it went on right and also decisions that we make and how they impact others so like leaders or bosses that they make

a decision that impacts their staff or the people that they are you know the leader of um if they make a decision that is harmful to them then they will experience that and so you can imagine what happened for hitler because people are still feeling the

holocaust but i mean i thought you know i thought i read somewhere in your book that there is no sense of judgment you know when you when you pass into this no that's right there isn't no there is a judgment but we are the only ones who judge ourselves the the

guides and the this any other beings or or whatever that's around there's no judgment so there's no one saying look at this you did this wrong you're going to get punished it's it's more just you your own your own self that that is looking at it for yourself

and and feeling however you feel about it yes yes exactly huh so you know is for people who have come back and had the life review have you noticed any change drastic change in their personalities yes big time they come back completely different people it doesn't matter what

they were like before they left they come back much much different now that doesn't mean they're perfect they still have their bad days still but they are much more caring much more forgiving they want to help others and they will put themselves out

for the world to to do whatever they can to make things better and i think they're they're changing the world i think that that this whole uprising of knowledge that we're seeing in the in the spirituality i think that's coming from people who have had death experiences

and they're changing things so so lin i mean do you do you believe in reincarnation absolutely do you think that we somehow are the architects of our experience here as we grow and evolve as human beings absolutely now let me go back to my oneness thing please

everything everything boils down to that because we are one we not just with each other there's only one soul and the one soul is what some people call god and some people call it yahweh and whatever else um you know there's all kinds of different names

but i just call it the source and the source is um the only soul and the only being that there is and all this that we are experiencing is coming from that one source you know when people ask me if i believe in god you know i say you know yes

undeniably for me there is a god but it doesn't represent someone in the sky that is you know looking at you and judging you it's more that you know god is everything literally everything god is this moment god is me and you speaking right now god is the breath leaving my

mouth god is the space in between us god is everything god is everyone listening to this show so you know i guess that would make sense that god is just source and we are kind of you know connected into this source but going back to going back to

you know the reincarnation thing and being the architects of our lives um would you say that before we decide to incarnate in our current life that we set up lessons for ourselves set up different goal posts that we're supposed to kind of why would we do that i mean why not just

come here and have a good time well because we are the source we are source and we are saying okay we did that before let's see if what else there is we're just giving ourselves different experiences to try and learn and grow and have have a different kind

of experience in being human um or it could be other things too other lives since other places or even a bug i think we could probably be that too um but but um we before we come here as a soul we decide okay we decide okay i'm going to be a

soul and i'm going to come down to a life and so we decide what goal or task or challenge we want to accomplish in this lifetime then we choose everything in this life that will help us to gain that goal so that would be the family that we live in with our friends or you

know all the people around us and maybe even just somebody who's passing by or maybe a favorite teacher um and then we also choose incidences or events that will happen so that we can it will guide us in the direction of our goal that's the main point is to guide

us in that direction so we can accomplish our goal while we're here and then we also choose ourselves what race we are what nationality what country what you know all that right down to what we look like how intelligent we are and everything that

we can possibly think of we choose before we come here then we come here with amnesia because if we didn't have amnesia we would not be able to function in this in the physical world we wouldn't learn anything either right that's right yeah

huh i mean it's i'm absolutely fascinated by this whole process and i find it intriguing because you know if we are if we are the architect of our lives and you know we come here to exp have new experiences and if we are god sort of just manifest and

experiencing god to that we are god ourselves then it seems to make it resonates for me um would you would you say that as far as the journey that we experienced through our lives would you say that it's i mean i like to the way i like to put it is

that it's kind of like a river you know and a river it ends up back at the ocean eventually no matter what so you know you can make a choice and it might move off into a tributary or something but at the end of the day it's it's still you know at the ocean

yes yes yes um yeah it's that's true i love that that's very good analogy okay so go ahead please no you're going oh no no i'm i'm i'm listening to it yeah i i well i'd lost track of my thoughts okay so you know so it seems like there's a profound feeling of oneness

that we have it's very comforting you're there maybe you see relatives that have passed um you know a friend of mine who's a doctor he i was talking to him about this and i don't i don't really know how it came up i just asked him you know have you

have your patience um you know talk to you about death and passing and you know what happens any something that he remarked on was that when his patients are close to that death they know they're going to die um they start to hallucinate and see

relatives that have passed already is this is this something that you've heard about in your well you see i wouldn't call it the hallucination um i do want to go back to the oneness thing again um because i remember what i was gonna say but i'll finish this um

i don't believe it's a hallucination i think it is people that come to greet us our loved ones are you know yes i do know that that is true okay so so there is an aspect of uh knowing these people these beings know that we're going to cross over and they

kind of show up and make sure that we're going to be okay and they send all kinds of love and they send they they send a message somehow through i mean and it's not talking so and there's no um i don't know if it's telepathy or not because that's how they

communicate um but the people who are closer to death become very calm and very comforted by knowing that their loved ones are there of course i mean um so going back to your oneness i would hand it back to you you said that you wanted to follow up on that yeah yeah well what

i wanted to say about the oneness is that i think people have a hard time understanding it and i don't blame them because it's we we've been taught one way to think for so long anyway what i want to say is it's all consciousness it's everything is

consciousness it isn't a being it's it's not it's a positive energy force is what it is but it has consciousness and and that's what what is manifest okay so so i want to go back to the the question that i had about reincarnations i mean so how i mean

is this a thing and why would we need to reincarnate over and over is it you know to learn these different lessons is there an end to the reincarnation cycle you know what happens after you are done with the game yeah um i had i think his name is rick

that that was one of the men that are people that i that i um studied and he was a little boy and um when he was hit by a car uh while he was riding on this bike and um so anyway while he's on the other side he's talking to them and he's learning

all these beautiful oh it's a wonderful story i mean this young fellow was right like he he asked him very excellent questions and anyway he was getting all these questions answered anyway finally they tell him that it's time he has to go back and he said well when i come back

here i'm never going back there again and they laughed because they said the guides laughed at him and said oh yes you will because you love the adventure so it's sort of like going to a movie or um or a play or it might be even reading a good book although it would have to be

really engrossing um that that's that's what we are we're the director we're the writers we're the actors we're the producers we're everything we are the ones that create this movie so it's it's almost like we plug into a computer and you know we put on this

sort of vr headset thing that immerses us so deeply in the game of life that we forget you know we completely forget that we chose this and also for the purpose of truly learning that lesson you know to the fullest um and people can't can't remember their

past lives either i mean some do but they only remember it generally there is the odd exception but generally they only remember it from about two to seven in those that five year period and then by the time they're seven it's fading and fading and they're

not they just can't remember it anymore because they couldn't function in this world in this existence if they kept remembering their past life because they've been bonded with that and that's what happens to children who remember their um their past lives and they be

reincarnated and they remember they want to go back to that life because that's where they're bonded they can't they can't they have a terrible time adjusting to this new world this new family in this new existence they don't like it they want

their old one so that's that's um important you know to to not remember is very very important okay it's i mean it's a perfect layup into my next question which is um you write that in these nd experiences that these uh these people are given

knowledge they're given information that they did not previously have before their accident whatever happened to them so you know what types of information do they bring back what kinds of of knowledge are they shown i mean i'm very curious to know

you know what they're given well actually it can be everything like they can go right they can learn every single thing there is to learn about what it's all about why are we here what is this whole thing and they become the light and they blend

right into the light and they can um and they because the light is is this this energy source that i'm talking about that has a consciousness and so they go in and they become it and they can go right back to the beginning of time and and understand how this all evolved

so that's one of the but they don't bring that back with them they remember when they're over there but they don't bring it back they can't remember it they might remember flashes like um the multitude of souls that that that they become you know that

one person said that they remembered being deep deep loneliness and and sadness and so then and then the the the multiple multitude of souls was created and that gave the somewhere someone else or something else to connect to i mean i've i've had some

ayu aska dmt experiences where you know i go into this other realm and i'm given information and when i am sort of back into my body there's no way that i could hold or retain the the depth or you know color of everything that's being given to me

and so so maybe it's an aspect of just you know it's it's not it's it's not something that the human body has the capacity to do we just don't understand the size of it the the the depth of it the the grasp of it doesn't occur to us well i think

some do but it takes a lifetime to know it and to understand it and be with it and that and i don't mean my lifetime i'm thinking people like um the holy men of um india or women too um the seduce that they saw yeah that how it said okay thank you yes

i only read it so i was going by okay so um they they can live it and be it and and can do amazing things and they carry it with them but that's rare because we have lives and we have to come back here and and be human beings and do go to work and whatever else we have to

do right i mean so i mean again it seems like if you know if if life is such a struggle sometimes it feels that way and you know we're we're suffering sometimes through it some people more than others i mean especially in times like right now what's going on in the

world today um you know it's it's really terrifying it can be heartbreaking especially if you have a family member that's going through this so why would you want to come back i mean you're in this nde state everything is blissful you've got all this light

around you all these people hanging out with you they're all cool with you they're all your family members you haven't seen them in a long time you're getting all this knowledge information you understand things that you didn't understand before if you have a

disability it's there's no disability anymore why would you ever want to come back to this place yeah i i think most people most people who have death experiences don't want to come back and they're very upset when they're told that they have

to come back some realize that and understand okay that's that's the way it is and i'll have you know i i can come back here when my tongue is due but a lot of them fight because they don't want to come back it's so beautiful there but i think what you're asking is why

would we have a new life why would we reincarnate is that what you're asking i mean i just i i think i get it i mean i think i understand that once you know once we get i think it's almost like you're you're addicted to it and you forget you know kind of the process

of it you forget and maybe the time scale of things changed time here is linear and there maybe it's not maybe it works a little bit differently yeah there's no time there at all okay there you go no space or time there you go so you know so if all those things are

true then you know all of our lives are happening all at once and that that space exists outside of that completely which is so hard to fathom for us because for us it's it's linear you know we experience one two three four five but for over there it's like it all

happens at once like one through five right so i you know i'm just wondering if what the higher picture may be you know if the universe is a big place lin i mean it's huge right so what if the earth life system is just one of the systems in many different

systems and yeah there's you know we play the game we forget we have amnesia about it and so you know i'm just wondering what else is out there i'm really curious about that yeah i think there are all kinds of different i think there's many

dimensions i think there are many different kinds of existences that we're not aware of because we're so limited here um you know we but we do we need this experience in order to get back to the source this experience and how that works is that

we okay as i said it's almost like a there's a direct line between us and the source and that's that's a direct connection and what everything we do see and feel and so on is being felt by the source because of this connection okay um and so

now i've lost my train of thought again sorry um but i think that what we get stuck on we get stuck thinking about being here you know that we're so wrapped up in being human that we stop we can't we can't take ourselves out of this and look and see

how something else would be so i mean you know i think he's going to say that quantum physics um the string theory talks about multi-universes which is fine i think that there are multi-universes but one of the concepts is that within um multiple universes if there's infinite

number then we have duplicates of ourselves somewhere doing the same thing we're doing and that's pretty physical that's pretty down to earth and you know very very physics oriented in your thinking yeah yeah i mean yeah i i think i understand you know

what what you're getting at and what you're saying and there's something about this experience that somehow links us back to the source and it's it's necessary to do that so which is why we do it in the in the first place and i mean i don't know there's a lot to

absorb within all of that so you know i want to know what happens to these people after they get back and how their lives change you know and is there is there some sort of directive that they're given you know be this way i mean because it sounds like

the near-death experience is just an intervention you know it's kind of like stopping you from what's going on in your in your life and reminding you where you come from and then sending you back and saying okay hey you got just finish the job and

then you can come back when you want to yeah no not necessarily because there are people that get to the other side and they're given a choice they can come back or they can stay you know they so not necessarily that they're you know they're it's an

interlude or you know a warning of some sort to get back and do it right um no not this but but the thing that i guess where i'm what i'm trying to emphasize is that quantum physics shows us that we are in a way we don't understand we are connected to the universe

we also know that through the death experiences that people have had that we are connected there as well and it's all consciousness it's it's just a big circle of consciousness i mean there's yeah you talk about consciousness in the book and

dean raiden we've had him on the show several times the global consciousness project uh dr roger nelson we've had him on the show i mean so it's all in the line of what we're doing here but you know why do you why do you think that it's it's all about consciousness why do

you think it's the connection to source and um you know is there any evidence for this uh evidence no only only that somehow our consciousness is connected to the universe but not that we're connected to the source there's no proof of that other than people who have

had death experiences and come back and tell us things that they couldn't possibly know you know they're like well i'm talking about maria but there are many many people who come back with information that they could not possibly know another thing that happens is that um

some people are dead for 14 15 hours before they come back so um you know and there was the longest recorded one was uh 29 hours so experiences like that are it shows me that there's something way more than just just what we're able to touch and feel i mean

the goal is to experience differentness and we are experiencing differentness for the source and we are the source experiencing different differentness by the way um and so but in the doing of the in the experiencing of our differentness we

at the at the spirit level they can't get out of bed they can't talk they can't they can't do any of the things that we do nothing none of the things that we do can happen there unless they invent it or create it that's which is what we are doing now

i'm not sure i understand what you mean can you just say that in a different way please um so as i've said that that we're all there's this big huge oneness and that is the source that's this energy this positive energy field or force that um

has consciousness and the consciousness is constantly creating constantly it never never never ends and so we are a part of that and we are only one way of giving back to the source because if the source didn't have us then the source would

would be if there was if they didn't have creation i should say then the source would be it would be lost it would be there would be nothingness lynn what is a fear death experience something that you write about yeah i love those um you love them yeah i do i

think they're cool um well they're like miracles that people have that that they are in the middle of a process of going through an accident they're heading for a tree or they're there something horrible is going to happen and they know they're you know in a car and

there's they're going to get smashed up and then all of a sudden they're on the other side of the tree and their car is fined nothing happened that to me is just so cool but in the meantime they have a quick little near-death experience usually it doesn't

last more than a second or two but it's enough that they're there and they they may have a death they may have a life review and then they come back but they're when they come back they're still in their car and the car is still there's one story about a

couple of guys and they were heading for a bus um and and they knew they were going to be killed that that was that was all there was to it and the next thing they know they are at a stoplight down the street waiting for the red for the red light to

change i mean like it's illogical it's very illogical but i love them i mean it it's it's not that illogical i mean i think it if if our reality is like a vcr tape right if anyone remembers those um and and you know you can kind of like a dj would you can kind of skip a scene

you know or move it a little bit quicker and and just place the characters in a different spot you might be able to edit things around in a way you know we can't understand because the science and the physics hasn't caught up with this yet yeah yeah that's quite true and i don't

know that i think physics has got a lot to learn but i also think we do too like i don't think we have all the answers of course um lin we're almost out of time but you know is there anything that i should have asked you tonight that i that i

didn't that you want to talk about well just where they can get my book but before we but before that i just want people to know that they are far more magnificent than they ever ever imagined that's my message my message is wow we are absolutely

fantastic and we can accomplish so much and we share change ourselves all the time and that's my big message to the to my people you know and that's what the book is about is uh is to teach people how beautiful they are yeah i mean i highly recommend the book

where can people go and you know find your website lynn where can people go and pick up the book please if you just want to say the title one more time okay it's the wonder of you what the near-death experience tells you about yourself and my name is lynn k russell i use

decay because there are a bazillion lynn russell's up there and you'll never catch me um i'm on facebook and i'm on twitter and i'm on linkedin and i'm also on instagram but i don't go there very often but i'm there yeah i don't i don't go too often um

anyway and i also don't have a website today but i will next week and actually and it will be k russell all right got it thank you so much lynn for your time ladies and gentlemen you hear it you you heard it here first i mean what an amazing aspect to

the process of being alive the book is called the wonder of you i highly recommend the read what the near death experience tells you about yourself i mean if you've ever wondered about some of the larger questions that we ask on this show and it's definitely a read that i would

recommend and pick it up that's going to do it tonight for us here at hxp we will certainly be back next week if you are not subscribed to us on youtube you're listening to us on youtube please get over there click subscribe click like thank you guys so much

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