Episode 117 – Alex Grey & Allyson Grey – Visionary Art, Creativity, Inspiration

the human experience is entering the Chapel of sacred mirrors as we speak to my guest Alison and Alex gray Alex Alison it’s truly an honor welcome to hxp a thank you so much so I just adore your work and where do I begin yeah where did you begin when did you first see it do you think oh it’s been years I mean at least a decade I mean I’ve been following it and I just I have so many questions for both of you let’s just let’s just dig right in Alex Alison

and either of you can answer this how do you define creativity I think creativity and Ken Wilber really said this first but i intuited it all along creativity is evolution in our hands creativity is the basic pulse of the universe that is living in us as us creativity is the spark of life and the spirit that animates the entire cosmos and it is the what I believe is the force in consciousness that keeps renewing itself moment by moment and so

this tendency toward novelty and toward developing complexity is the evolutionary process and it is alive in us and that is creativity but I think that it’s do you define it as a masculine male or female type thing it’s it’s universal creative energy that means it’s all of the above and none of the above you know it’s it’s got the polarity the divine polarity of masculinity and femininity but the the creative principle I’d say is beyond

that it’s both it’s non-dual you know it’s the sense it’s the the the pillar and the engine of the universe it’s the it’s what is most often identified with God the Creator you know the initiator and the source so creativity is both a source a supply and an output you know it’s the it’s the entire thing its consciousness itself is the creative impulse and the creative spirit you know I feel like that’s what’s living in everything how would

you say would you say that your art or art evolves consciousness because it proposes the possibility of realizing things we may not have and in that way it enlarges our our context for holding our own being you can engage the next stage of your own possibility as a kind of a carrot on a stick that can compel you to become a better person that’s the the trick of really great art is to become a better person after viewing it or after creating it you know the kind

of I think of it as a covenant between the creator and the viewer is this it creates this possibility where an energetic spark can pass you know the divine spark of the creative spirit alive in great works of art is like a direct soul transmission that’s a loop from the from the highest source I think that’s the most beautiful representation of what art is that I’ve ever heard so Alex I mean your it seems like your work goes a lot into the

spiritual the psychoenergetic the spiritual energetic system why why choose to move into this direction well that is the opportunity to really look the next stage of our evolution which would be toward comfort with our own psychic abilities and with our own intuition art is it lives in the swimming pool of the intuition you know it is that that’s its stuff that’s the lifeblood you know so we want to open our third eyes we want to get beyond the

rational we don’t want to go unconscious and dig down into the swamp of art of our sort of shadows we want to acknowledge and and and shine a light on them but not live in those areas we want to point higher and by opening our third eye we’re seeing the possibilities that exist for us and that it opens us to the world of visionary light there’s a realm of luminosity that all clairvoyance talk about and who are clairvoyance but the

next phase of human evolution you know these are people who developed other capacities their visionary physiology which is withered in most of us become activated it’s come online and it’s not always because they’ve become more spiritually developed but often times you’ll find in the the training for a spiritual development from monkhood of a Buddhist or Christian or certainly the Jewish and Hindu mystics have known the same thing that you’ve

come closer to this one source by many different paths and it the distinctions begin to blur between the the the one being you know that it is all one and it’s luminous you know God enlightens us so our light body is where the soul kind of seems more active it seems like that’s that’s where the psycho plasmic vapor is pliable it’s plastic and sculptural we use it it’s our imagination it’s the body of our imagination so this body of life is what

the Mystics identify more with that’s more close to our supreme identity because it’s in the realm between the transcendental and the manifest material it’s that visionary landscape you know that is our astral body our theory body our acupuncture meridians and points and the chakras and Aras and all the various kinds of lines that move through as the pulse of life itself you can just imagine a toroidal field around the body coming out of our heart you know and

coming out the top of our head and now to our ass and it just kind of goes around just like a invisible apple you know it’s kind of pulses all around us all the time you know our hearts send off a shockwave out into a subtle white out beyond our physical body eight feet out around us so you could imagine an 8-foot globe surrounding your body at all times that’s what the subtle pulse is sending off is there is there something that you

would say inspires you the most Allison and here she says no no no I would say the same so you inspire each other no that is my greatest inspiration and that I probably was his first student mr. penny I’ve been a student of Alex for all these years and I love hearing him talk he’s such a genius and thinks very differently than I do in many ways I mean no but we’ve been together for over 40 years it’s Shearer in his studio we went in

art school and we fell in love over LSD and and the spiritual side of that I think that was really what connected us was that we both had had a kind of a god opening a god awakening God contact through our sacramental soldiers and Alex’s first soldier was in my apartment on my couch so and we got a loft you know to do our art in together we were in the same gallery for years and now we then until we had our own gallery then we had two galleries in the city we had

Kazem the chapel sacred mirrors gallery which was really mostly Alex’s most beloved works and a few of mine thrown in and then there was the gallery of the visionary tribe you know that the great visionary artists that are working today and some who have passed on but we showed some wonderful work in a rotating shows Bridal exhibitions and so right now we’re you know I project now is an Theon which is to build the sanctuary of visionary on that was a

vision that Alex and I had in 1985 on our first MDMA experience was that we should build this temple and so ever since then all all our things like that have that in mind I mean sometimes we make art too as commissions and to sell to people but all proceeds go toward building this visionary art sanctuary and now of course we have a place for it closer than we’ve ever been we’re here in the Hudson Valley where we love it and it’s

gorgeous we’re like 1500 feet from watson river it’s amazing tidal river and we have this great and it’s got great train access and we’ve got this great place that we’re building and right now we have a Kickstarter ongoing which I’m so glad you invited us to do a new show to just tell people to go to build and beyond calm it’s an easy easy access to our Kickstarter page which is blowing up my friend Xavier and I’m so guess who

gave us a great big tweet today Sean Lennon and he’s you know biggest donor he’s huge he’s loving us I wish I want to meet Sean Lennon anyway but he gave us a tweet today that he loves our projects so check out build and beyond.com that’s really important to us that that we finish building this exhibition you see this is going to help us to build so that everybody can come and the work is on view instead of in storage Alex’s beautiful sacred mirrors and all

those amazing works of art and the originals by many visionary artists the greatest originals by the greatest visionary artists working today and have passed will be shown in the first gallery you walk into the Magi gallery the mystic artists guild international the mystic artists that the people who bring the gifts you know they bring the gifts to the to to the God contact you know and that’s a lot of people who come here to cause

them for many programs and we’ve got a wedding this weekend we are having Mother’s Day we always have things going on here but anyway and you can find it at Kazem stands for chapels sacred years so people come here it should be uplifted you know to be inspired by with the art of Alex gray as a context it just happens to draw people I mean I really want you to tell us Xavier I’m really serious about this do you remember the first time you ever saw the

work of art of Alex trade you out do you remember where it was we showed it to you I mean it had to be in the late late 90s and I think it was unlike anything I’ve ever seen it remains that and it’s influenced so much of my life and just looking at it it and it really it really seems to capture the essence of not only in the space but the spiritual space the space that exists between us that we don’t usually see well I wondered if it

was your friend do you think or do you think it was your parents or did you just see it sitting on a coffee table was it a poster in somebody’s room or you just really have no recollection of that I honestly don’t have any records recollection of that so interesting because I asked a lot of people that question it and and I often find that the people remember where they saw it and it was somehow a bridge it was somehow a connector like it connected

them with something familiar something that they felt and if somebody was really turned off to it that said something about them and if somebody was really turned on to it that said something else about them and so I feel like that’s what Alex’s work provides and why it’s an attractor and so in in that we know that people really want to see the work most people always haven’t and asked to see it so we thought why don’t we just offer it to

the public instead of keeping it for them you know in private collectors homes and things then there’s many of those too I mean there are many of Alex pace works things out disseminating and seizing the world yay so that you know people can we can create a temple so that we can get all back here and build a Theon so Alison since I have your attention here I mean you have said that your art has been based on three root symbol systems chaos

order and secret writing all right what what are these symbol systems and how do they relate to your creative process well when I was uh you know I started tripping on it on LSD when I was 17 so but then by the time I was uh 20 I read ROM dasa’s be here now and I was you know when I was tripping before that I was going to parties and going on bicycle trips and going walking up the Rocky Mountains things like that and having wonderful times apart isn’t

probably really spiritually developing myself and growing but by the time I got to rhom dasas book be here now he talks about going into a dark room and lie down peacefully with maybe some spiritual or ambient music and going deep inside with that experience and so that was the first time I did that it was before I met Alex and I saw the secret writing and I saw the secret writing all over the walls and all washing over my body and over the body

of my two friends I was doing this way and I always remembered that it was unpronounceable and enigmatic but I knew the meaning I had this intuitive sense of the meaning being creative manifestation this is the way we this is where artists communicate they communicate through symbols there are symbol makers and as extension musicians are giving a feeling or are resonating with it with through a language that is unpronounceable it is inexplicable we

try to put it in words maybe we write poetry about it but it’s but it’s inexplicable there’s something connected about the creative process so anyway that was the first secret writing and in subsequent journeys I heard that all things were chaos order and secret writing and chaos is order plus entropy it is the world of the material it is the broken world where all things are made of different things you know we’re all made of atoms but we’re all

different there’s all these differences between us between hardwood and my skin and anyway and then there’s a and that’s chaos it’s all falling apart in this beautiful spectral way so the order is that is a these fountains and drains the suck holes and blow holes of the bliss realm if we if you have ever done a sacrament or had a mystical experience you might have seen vistas of these roiling unites you know universal mind lattices as Alex paints them you know

those kinds of roiling and interconnected light so that is my symbol for that which is inexplicable and that is and I call it order and that’s my man Dalek image and sometimes small fields of mandalas and the secret writing is the creative manifestation we have inner thoughts you know from the divine I believe that they come in through the divine and they manifest as things out in the chaos world out in the material world through symbols all of

them through the window of my secret language the my mouth noises that I’m making right now to you you can translate them that you understand because we understand the same symbols if I was speaking Chinese what I was saying would not come through as meaning for you so this is these are all symbols and we manifest our creativity and communicate through symbols so that’s I felt that the work that the that worldview was so profoundly

download for me that I did not need to look further than that for my content and I’ve done work around castle or secret writing since I met Alex 1975 when my work changed dramatically I mean radically and how would you how would you say that you and Alex kind of vibe together when it comes to your creative space you say something about have you thought oh I think we’re it’s so rare that we’re outside of each other’s creative energy field actually

the in in a lot of ways whatever each one of us is going through internally it’s pretty often out there in our creative plasma field you know and we have to so we’re we’re both always conscious of a purse of our own personal transformation day-to-day in our communication with each other and learning how to become better people you know in relation to each other I think that’s the profound gift of relationship and a long-term relationship is that

you’re allowed to know someone for decades it’s a privilege you know to maintain a friendship and it’s also I think it sometimes more challenging than other times but then sometimes it’s like you’re on a toboggan you know that is such a thrill ride you know to be I feel like that guy at the end of that philip k dick you know where the things we’ve seen together you know on other planets like in Burning Man and my areas gonna be a burning man this

year too so anybody who wants to come to Burning Man and be with the cause of camp it’s also gonna be the maps camp yeah and it’s also going to be the broader foam baby listen I wanted to say something about our journey together Alex and I we chose this path consciously and not everybody would choose such a path and people have wonderful relationships in very different ways like you know like commuter relationships that sometimes

work perfectly for people so we’re all about whatever works for each individual I wanted to just tell your listeners though that you know a young couple went to the Buddha and they said we love each other so much and we don’t like to even be a part and and like we’re so scared and worried about what’s gonna happen one day one of us is going to die and then the other one’s going to be left and it concerns us and the Buddha said

to them if you walk the path in the same way it’s a possibility then you could come back in the next lifetime as one person and if you came back in the next lifetime as one person I was thinking and Alex was thinking you know and you loved each other as much as you know we loved each other but both hemispheres both hard drives were in the same body you would love yourself like a Buddha you would like be a burst Buddha you would like love yourself entirely like

Buddha and Christ it and you could come back as a Buddha so Alex and I have set that intention that he’s look you know the whole thing about the better half it’s just it just true that’s all Alex I love it what I have to learn and I have what he has to learn and so being together is a not always easy but it is easy it’s so delicious is what it really is and you’re even going through stuff is delicious because we get better we just

get better that’s all so yeah my friend tell us more what do you want to know about what I know what you want to know that’s no no it’s the other way around us I’m here every day okay so so Alex I’ve been everyone I’ve talked to has asked me to ask you about this if I don’t ask you about this I don’t know what’s gonna happen to me your your work has graced the album covers of so many bands but especially tool and 10,000 days album how did that

collaboration come about why do you think that image resonates with so many people well it’s really interesting I think that the origins of it being on the album were all the way back in probably 2002 when Adam and I were working on the parabola ending and since I was working on that video with them and having a lot of fun getting my first opportunity to do storyboards and animation and work with really talented computer graphic artists and stuff they

gave me that opportunity early on Adam did and so the at that time I was just beginning the drawings the first drawings for the painting that became net of being and it was based on a ayahuasca experience that I had had that year and the lateralis had just come out the previous year so we were still in a kind of glowy state from that and it was that I think big boost because look my work is not what you’d call mainstream in the contemporary art sense and so the

alternatives for artists who find themselves in such a space or you know I mean I was kind of going it on my own and doing the we published books you know in 1990 sacred mares came out and then other philosophical reflections the mission of art and then transfigurations and so then we started working with two or more and so then and Adam gave me the opportunity to do stage sets and you know just propose ideas and the ones that he liked you know we he went with

so I showed him those early drawings about the net of being and we both looked at each other and thought because we were doing the computer animation someday we’ve got to animate this someday we’ve got to make that space come to life mm-hmm so it but it was years that I’ve been painting on the thing and so in I don’t know what was it 2006 he got ahold of me and it was we have this concept that is these 3d glasses that go with it’s like the

old-time kind of 3d photography and it was something that Adam had been into for many years like a decade or more he’d been taking 3d photographs and so he had this idea that he could make it into a CD and it would be a way that you can’t just download that they made an object that people wanted to own and it was ingenious really it won a Grammy just as a package idea and and the art was part of it too because we had a lot of different you know like ideas he was

saying well what do you think we could do with this thing this 3d thing so I had a whole bunch of propositions and then said I just showed him a picture of what I was working on and it was the net of being I’m forgotten I had shown him that and he said that’s it that’s it and so that put it on the album cover and immediately I saw oh my god we could put the glasses over the hand of the thing and it had just be like it was made for

it and so it just became the cover immediately and it wasn’t even done it was just like okay you know and but reduce like like seven inches or something you can’t really tell this and but then it got into posters and all kinds of stuff so it became one of the most famous unfinished meanings of all but it will be very much featured an NP on it’ll be like right behind the stage it’s going to be basically the backdrop for the stage but an Theon is what we’re working

on now but I want to just say Alex hasn’t done a lot of album covers because Alex and I both I think together are very discerning about whose work uses you know your art and over the years it really hasn’t been that many and probably less now but but to have tool involved I mean has been an incredible experience and it’s helped to bring Alex’s work to millions of people and we’re very very grateful and at NC on we’re having a tool shrine we have so

many the tool army wanted a shrine for tools so we’re like putting one in our reliquary room we have a reliquary room with these psychedelic heroes and the tool shrine and altars and things like that so it’ll be really cool you know we’d hope to open at like 2017 so we have a little ways to go but we’re giving tours at every after every Archer we still take people into the construction zone and show them what everything’s gonna be we’re very excited

I think I’m gonna have to make a trip up there I’m in Florida Central Florida Central Florida Gainesville as we go to Gainesville at the University of Florida that’s you do I’m actually into quite a bit really yes we should there they have the art and healing center you know they they’re medical school is one of the earliest art therapies place mache the Shands Hospital they are all about art therapy and we’ve been down there doing with our daughter when she was

young doing performances that were commissioned by the Shands you know by that art yelling yeah shanz is huge and games Rockwood lame that’s her name Mary Rockford Lane she’s she I mean if it weren’t for these people you wouldn’t even know about our therapy it’s it’s amazing Hospital Gainesville yeah and then you’ve got Mickey singer down there he’s just like teach the a lot in Alachua Florida uh-huh yeah I’ve met Mickey gone to his temple the

universe and so we need to enact obviously I need to meet you guys so okay getting back to getting back to some of the questions I have for this interview Alex your work seems to have an interest in both the scientific and artistic side of life and your earlier work seemed to focus more on death and transcendence and why do you think your early work did that it’s probably the protracted ego death you know like the long squeal of the pig as it dies

tendency to be depressed so I’ll just tell you this when he first met Indiana had a side he had made called suicide theater and I was really worried about what he might do to himself but he has transcended that and has worked on that I think it’s but it is a tendency of yours well you know I was wondering because that whole story with the Buddha you know I guess what do you do with the shadow right what are we saying about spiritual leaders that they have no

shadow isn’t that like unrealistic isn’t that just completely bogus and isn’t that what they always do is that they make the the spiritual leader somehow in humans somehow without a shadow which is whatever which is what the shadow wants you to think that II only you have you know only you have that anchor of depression or or psychosis or whatever is your you know anchor oh and so but that’s your ego that’s your shadow and I I think that what it is is

your great teacher you know you have to look at it as a kind of a both a teacher but also it’s not the witness it’s not the truly who you are it’s kind of the reflections in the mirror and not the mirror itself so the the sky is watching a cloud instead of the you know the the frantic cloud worrying because it’s dissolving you know I think that the to identify more with the context of cosmic being and of being beyond time is what

spirit and the higher sacred arts have always pointed toward so they plot they point toward the transcendence and I think that the I was going through the death part probably always will part of me you know and I I wear black all the time you know so you could say I’m in mourning over the web of life and all of the the death inadvertent that’s gone to nature and all the the kind of unrighteous wars that the humans wage so it’s you could also say it’s the source

of all creative light is in the transcendent no thingness so as as a as a creative entry point the black seems to work but it’s you could also say it’s the shadow that you acknowledge exists but it doesn’t mean that your mind has the only conditioned by that knowledge it should be chastened by it should be enlivened by it because it’s the contrast to that you know it’s the we are alive now that unites us you know that’s a beautiful and and it’s only so

treasured because it’s so impertinent and so because of that treasured preciousness of each moment you know that that music and art can excel or the look of a beloved you know and the compassion and a stranger’s eyes a smile all of those things you know the sunset these these things are the things that God gives us as these little treasures and little gems each day that we life’s worth it you know life’s beautiful life’s an affirmation and so our lives

and consciousness together are the we’re I think real creativity and transformation lives I mean is that why you spent so much time at Harvard Medical School studying cadavers well I think that I had to understand the substructure of consciousness which is the vehicle the black box of the body and because the body decays and is is made up of composite things you know and and deconstruct it’s it’s a kind of mechanics but I don’t believe that

that’s what our self is limited to where do you see the consciousness of the planet today in society today and where do you believe it’s going I think that we’re at this point of the need for breakthrough and the tremendous frustration of massive numbers of people and suffering of massive numbers of people and so that the cry of both the wife web and the human web is a almost overwhelming pain that most people take antidepressants

not to feel and so the the numbing of our consciousness is the other aspect that is kind of the collective shadow so I feel like there are many spirits and forces clashing as we evolve our consciousness and part of our tribe and especially the the 20-somethings and even before the teens they get it immediately there isn’t any tolerance of it’s why bernie is so favored by the young people there they’re intolerant of and they want to

hear ideals articulated vision articulated people who still are alive to the possibility of vision that that can help us survive the tight spots to come because we have to plan for overarching survival we have to get off our addiction to oil we have to find the new energy source and start to wind down the outworn nuclear facilities and we have to get independent kind of solar and the solar technologies out as soon as possible would you say that people

are hungry for mystical experiences I think that it’s in all of our souls and at this point because of our immersion in the materialism that we yearn for like I did that one day when I dared God to show me a sign before I succumb to my own you know sort of self-destruction and I it was kind of a dare in the same way I think that the soul of every person that still alive to the possibility of love they yearn for a source of love that is infinite and is

is a source that unites all life and the scientists are not saying it doesn’t exist they point to the unity of things they point to a source point and to a United field so I think that the intuition of the mystic and the book and the lover is close to the pulse of life and that that affirmation of the beauty of life in the truth of life and goodness of life is what art is most righteously about and that’s how it serves the the spirit is this why you

would say that your art is so immersive so visceral that perhaps you’re relying this sort of significance to the divine and transmitting it into the people who see it your other work is both cerebral and ethereal it’s from another world it comes from the inner experience and I think that when Alex’s earliest studies were about the body it’s true and he was a medical illustrator for a gig solid 12 years where he supported Zenon and I as

I was not I was only working with Alex on his work you know and so basically was one income of medical illustration that was doing it and then the paintings that we were selling some of them we had shows and things but still her good 12 15 years ago it’s studied the body and was made his life but you know I mean more and more his work is more about the the ephemeral I mean I’m looking around the gallery in the studio right now and I

don’t see any works of art in this room that have anatomy and anymore there’s one and the other one the Xena vision has Anatomy and I think it’s it’s it’s something that you know how to to use and and taught yourself like that like a fabulous part of your house you know like you know all the things that you know how to do you know how to represent the body accurately and if people are gonna use the body and their art they can use the figure in their art I think

you use the face and their art they need to you know we have a confident approach to that not everybody has to do it through Anatomy not everybody has to understand you know the anatomy to do it but the conferring approach has to be evident yeah well we’ve become a lot more comfortable in seeing the sort of underlayment of the physical body what’s under the skin you know because of the bodies exhibition and things like this and so it’s more part of and even the

shows that are on television that show us you know cadavers now we’re seeing this and now we’re seeing surgery and now we’re seeing more familiarity with the body so over the years when I first was presenting these life-sized sort of dissections of figures before bodies and before all those things you know there was practically a physical discomfort with people and seeing these large flayed kind of figures which I think it at this point is is not so much you know

because oh we know it’s a painting and that’s a painting of a decent painting of a you know our head commercials have spinning you know translucent people so it’s you know and and and that just wasn’t the way it was but but I think it it brought it out into the open and people seeing that I mean the ISIS is pattern light power you know it’s it’s they can become more removes from it as art well I think that what what the end atomizing of the

figure does is universalize the figure and rather than focus on what race we are we’re saying we’re all humans we all have bodies we all have skeletons you know it’s why you see x-ray art all over the world in shamanic art you see a kind of silhouette and then inside bone like tracings from Australia to you know the art of the Anasazi mm-hm so this kind of skeletor’s ation you’ll see it in huichol our to the shamanic art is seeing this kind of x-ray world and

that’s kind of a level of the world of light that the visionary artists I think are trying to bring back you know not just me and not just house and I think Allison’s work is about right she talks about her languages first seeing it as light you know it was light figures you know but it’s all there and these in these letters and it’s intelligent you know that it’s just communicating something mystery and then but it’s come from a world of light and they the the

grids of light are you know basically prismatic representations of what could be white light fields of interconnectedness you still have that right right field because each drawing things she doesn’t draw she doesn’t paint every part of her paintings she leaves a little mote of white so there’s always a white right field connecting everything and so there’s to that to the world of chaos now what are we but light itself shattered and

various ways you know we’re coming together we’re falling apart from order chaos chaos to order and all because what we say you know be when we say that we’re getting better we’re getting better when we say things are getting worse its tendency just to make things worse and to make it come true so you you you know not that that works all the time you know not yeah oh gee that’s around you so that you want it you want to you know if you want people firmly spire

right if then you have to constantly be a farming and going forward and so but anyway that’s just you know advice from the old people I mean Alex would there would you say that there was a point in your life that was the most influential to your work any period of of life for you that maybe define the rest you know I think that the 24 hours really that I took LSD for the first time and basically decided that there was a God and life was worth living I decided to

live that was my rebirth in life I think that was kind of like your second chance if you get a if God hears your prayers and appears to you within 24 hours and then divine love in the flesh shows up right there my partner for the next 40 years if you can’t see the sign if you can’t read the tea leaves I think you’re pretty dense you know well but let’s say this let’s say this I think that Alex you know was uh it gave Alex a content

for his work it gave him what his work could be about the most important thing like both of us felt that this was the most important thing you know next to fighting each other the the incident and the what the vision was and seeing it was the most important and life changing vision and altered altered our way of thinking about the world and God and and everything’s everything inner and outer so that it gave Alex a direction and content for his work and

it gave it meaning but I have to say alex was always a great artist even before he met me he was famous in high school he had a show at Columbus Ohio City Hall when he was in high school a solo show so this guy made any got a full scholarship start school so he he was recognized as an artist because he is uncompromising and he is on you know he’s just unstoppable and basically uncompromising you know works of art must be you know what he wants them to

be you know what I mean it’s it’s like he’s been known to wipe out entire areas after working on them for long periods of time so he’s always you know always uncompromising and and sometimes this work takes a little bit longer because of that but it’s very very respected because it’s he always learns about everything it was work to you know I mean like everything that’s in there every symbol it’s in there you’ve probably read a book about he has a mode

of references around him at all times so anyway I’m a big big fan you can tell did you guys get a chance to meet Albert Hoffman did he come – gasps oh and numerous occasions we were able to our daughter had dinner with them when she was 9 years old and then that was an Amsterdam and then we met him again a couple of times but once on his hundredth birthday yes Alex did his portrait an important tortured a very important piece that you could see in an

Theon when we opened it’s called st. Albert and the LSD revelation revolution and Albert was a hundred years old that day 11111 we know it was at the 11 111 a1 I don’t remember but in any case he was 100 and he signed the back of the painting it was on a board so it was he could sign the back of it and he made a picture of the molecule on the back of it so I was no six oh six oh six that’s when we went to Basel Switzerland for the world psychedelic

form there’s a lot of interest in in in this mysterious substance that we call a sacrament and there are scientists and sociologists and psychologists and psychiatrists that are studying it and now testing it for all kinds of interesting cures people are finding incredible success with cluster headaches related to LSD and all kinds of other stuff you know they’re doing the tests of big big universities like Johns Hopkins and Harvard and Yale and

UCLA and some other one so they’re there they’re getting like real legit emit about it all to find out what act what is the potential of this very strange and powerful substance that in a minute and a millionth of a gram has people feeling that they have had the experience that is greater and more as as important of an experience as as the most experiences important experiences of their life including very children and things like that so they put it up

there with those sorts of importance and why is that and what how can that help us help us and so you know it can help us by I hurt by bike by harming us right we don’t want harm you want harm reduction so how can we make it so that it helps us and a lot so a lot of research for the know about that maps is the multidisciplinary Association for psychedelic studies and they’re the guys that we’re gonna be at Burning Man with and they have a big speaker series and

in zendo we’re gonna be there this subverting man did you ever go to Burning Man my friends have not been to Burning Man yet it’s on the lists on the bucket list maybe you should come and were there I will make a point to eventually see you guys so we are running out of time here I I want to ask each of you kind of if you have one thing that you could tell a budding artist someone who’s getting into drawing painting who admires your work

what would that be well draw everyday and devote time to this you know don’t expect a lot of rewards all at once but really find out why you’re doing it and do it for your own Souls reasons and if every if anything becomes successful so much the better you know and if you find yourself in the realms of success you know then you know learn to appreciate that and Van Gogh has had a I’ve tried to try to keep a dialogue with your your

family of artists you know like learn who your tribe is and they may be living or dead you know and hopefully they’re both you know you’re part of a wave so get in touch with the wave and get in touch with the people who are doing work that is similar to yours wedding artist should check out how they can study with Alex tonight and it’s all at Casa morg we teach we have two classes coming up in July and there’s lots of ways to

interact we have wonderful artists that come here man to say just taught a workshop here and has another one coming up so I would just like to say one other thing before we close that is to everybody in this family everybody that’s out there listening into your savior may any merit generated by our gather and be dedicated to the benefit and liberation of all beings yeah I love it you guys are truly amazing Alison tell us a little bit more about NT on this

project that is coming where people can find the Kickstarter all nc on.com we created a special page so that you can just go to build anything an icon takes you right to our Kickstarter page we are blowing right up my friends please get joined right on we’ve got some fantastic tool brand new and unique exclusive rewards and and and then when you come here you can say I helped build this temple spot and you can tell your children that you helped

build this temple it’s gonna be around for a thousand years unless somebody you know knocks it down and stand there for a thousand years as it’s gonna be beautiful we’re gonna get us we’re gonna get all the way there we’re gonna get all the sculptures on there it’s gonna cost us though and it’s and you know building a temple is the work of a community so that’s why we’re doing that because this is the visionary art tribe and anybody who loves the vision and the

visionary art can come around and help us even at the lowest level your contribution really helps our campaign because it’s like blows up more and more people are participating and we have some low medium and high and you know rewards we got original art and there people are looking for art by Alex gray they’re you know we’re like putting it up there so and I got some pieces and so the visionary our tribe they’ve they’ve been coming out they were they’re

donating their art their original art and there’s G clays and their limited editions they’re you know you’ll see them there’s a whole scroll and then we just sold a I can say this cuz it’s a campaign we just sold and I think it was a nineteen thousand dollar banjo no thirteen thirteen thousand dollar banjo functional glass baby what’s the fun back and functional and banjo you if you don’t know he is the biggest flash artist functional glass artist one of

those really hot and he put his piece up there for our Kickstarter and it just sold today really yes indeed dude so play play play play full out we love to have be part of the campaign that’s a great meeting smaller awards and and that come to Qasim yeah we got Mother’s Day if you’re in the area we’ve got you know Alex and I teaching the visionary art intensive for the 27th summer come and be in our class if you’re an artist Lee

you want to study with this man and his muse come to the Omega visionary art intensive it’s it’s a five-day experience of fun and love with lots and lots of visionary artists that’s where we want you to be this July with us so exactly that’s every well what did it Alex is one more thing Friday Friday we’re gonna be the alchemists kitchen if anybody hears this before Friday Friday night we’re gonna pounce and I are doing our blended talk the inevitable

consequence of love and we’re talking about it at the alchemists kitchen in New York City it’s a great new space in New York City and you gotta find it and you gotta come and see us what date is that on is that this kitchen Savior is that the Friday the sixth tomorrow okay tomorrow there might be a little bit early cool I just I really want to thank you both for your the work all the work that you’ve done for being here your energy is amazing

this is the most fun that I’ve had with an episode in a long time and I just I bow to you know kind of your legacy it it’s truly your vibe the energy it’s beautiful thank you guys both so much for being here thank you so much