Episode #185 – Brad Klausen & Chance Gardner – Esoteric Egypt, Pineal Gland Activation, Kundalini, and more

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[00:00:19] A lot of ancient wisdom going to be unlocking.
[00:00:23] Talking about esoteric Egypt, Kundalini.
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[00:01:39] numerous conference presentations. He was featured by Vice magazine. Vice. Uh the his focus subjects have been on precognition, remote viewing, out-of-body experiences, and primarily on the UFO UAP phenomena.
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[00:02:10] Playing in the big time. Okay, so our guests for tonight are Chance Chance Gardner and Brad Klaussen. Chance Chance Gardner is an award-winning visual artist, 3D animator, composer, and the writer and producer of the cult classic documentary series Magical Egypt. After
[00:02:28] a 25-year career producing 3D animation, graphics, and promotional campaigns for network television, Gardner retired in late '90s to fork focus on producing esoteric programming and documenting the evidence for alternative or quote forbidden history historical models of
[00:02:45] mankind. Gardner is currently in production on a on a Magical Egypt feature film as well as season 4 of the Magic Magical Egypt series. Chance, such a pleasure. Thank you so much for being here.
[00:03:00] Good on you, man. Absolutely my pleasure.
[00:03:02] Okay, Brad Brad Klaussen is a a professional graphic designer specializing in poster art and illustration. In 1988, he graduated from the University of Denver with a BFA in graphic design. From 2000 to 2008, he worked as an in-house graphic designer
[00:03:18] for the band Pearl Jam. In the summer of 2008, he left his job with Pearl Jam and he formed his own one-man design company called Artillery Design, where for the past 14 years, he has and continues to make posters for bands like Pearl Jam, Queens of the Stone Age, Foo Fighters,
[00:03:38] Widespread Panic, Nine Inch Nails, Metallica, and many more. Brad, such a pleasure. Welcome to HXP.
[00:03:45] Thank you very much for having me. Happy to be here.
[00:03:48] So, you know, the Magical Egypt series was something that that hit me hard enough to uh bring you guys here onto this show.
[00:03:58] And it it's been a while since we've done a show, but I'd love to just lay the groundwork. Let's lay the foundation. I mean, what inspired you guys to What was What was it about Egypt exactly that, you know, drew you into Egypt? And either one of you can answer this. Brad or
[00:04:13] Chance?
[00:04:15] Uh Chance, you should go first cuz my interest in Egypt is because of Chance.
[00:04:19] So, Chance, you should start.
[00:04:21] Um when I was younger, uh I grew up in the '60s where it was just in the air, this amazing music that was focused on psychedelics and the mysteries and occultism. And uh my parents, my father was an artist, and so I grew up um around him sculpting all the time. And I
[00:04:44] just had a lot of artistic influence uh in my life and possibly genetically. So, um when I was very young, I used to go to the library and I would check out these books about ancient Egypt. And even as a little tot, I would look into those faces of the sculptures and I
[00:05:00] could just they were active. It was like the sculptures were possessed and they were doing things to me when I looked at them. And so, from a very young age, I've had a fascination with ancient Egypt and also this fascination with psychedelia and the occult and symbols
[00:05:14] from the mystery schools, symbols of the tarot, and just things like that. And at a certain point, uh when I got a little older, I got a chance to meet John Anthony West.
[00:05:25] And we just clicked. And I'd already been kind of obsessed, like an obsessed stalker of his. So, when I actually met him, he invited me to Egypt with him.
[00:05:33] And I literally uh got the next ticket I could find out of town. I was so excited about going that I kind of floated us off retirement at my work and just left without telling most people. And I just I went Egypt with a crappy little one-chip camera and
[00:05:49] no particular plans, nothing written, but just followed John West around Egypt like he was the Grateful Dead. And at the end, we came up with this weird little quirky show called Magical Egypt.
[00:06:01] And then, um, 20 years later, uh, Joe Rogan kind of took a shine to the show and started really evangelizing about it, and he had John West on the show a couple of times, and and, um, there was just such a positive response to the show that it had been
[00:06:13] sort of languishing out there on the internet. And so, we decided to do a second season. So, um, in, um, 2000, I would say 18, uh, we did a second season, and Brad came on as this explosive new voice, uh, with some just unbelievable research that was the core
[00:06:31] of our research project. Magical Egypt documents this artistic research project. And, uh, Brad had this bombshell discovery that, uh, we built on. There was our third, uh, research member, Kerry Osborne, had some really interesting early discoveries. And we
[00:06:44] just started putting comparing notes, and this thing became apparent, just this explosive, uh, series of discoveries that have never been mentioned in Egyptology. Uh, they're fundamental bombshell discoveries that really changed the way we look at our
[00:06:58] past, and changed the way we look at ourselves.
[00:07:01] And, uh, it is an extremely contentious show, and, uh, just about everybody in the world except Egyptologists love the show and are giving us good feedback.
[00:07:08] The Egyptologists hate it because we've noticed some things in the Egyptian art that have been hiding in plain sight for as long as people have been around, and nobody's noticed it until this series of discoveries Brad made that we kept building on, uh, that we'll see in
[00:07:21] Magical Egypt, about an ancient technology that is uh, it's a union of art and science that presents this series of, um, well, this body of knowledge that, uh, ancient Egypt was in possession of. It seems to be a science of consciousness. And
[00:07:37] because it was, because it was, uh, the art that presented this stuff, uh, it sort of makes sense that it would take a research project made of artists.
[00:07:47] It was an unusual research project made of artists. And, um, yeah, we ended up making a discovery that the art was speaking in this language that artists understand.
[00:07:56] And it is a completely different picture of ancient Egypt and of our past and of the intelligence and the degree of science of the people in our distant past.
[00:08:06] Wow, yeah. I mean, that's that's such an amazing tremendous amount that you guys have done and and and and just on a sort of offshoot trip, you know, following John around and there's a there's an amazing quote John Anthony West. He says, "Egypt is like sex. You can read
[00:08:24] about it. You can even look at pictures, but until you experience it, you understand nothing." And I mean, it's been such a dream for me to to go there. And there it is there is a very mystical quality. Like even today, like we there are many questions like how
[00:08:40] were the pyramids constructed? How How did these people do what they were doing? Right? So, I mean, I it it it it is interesting. What What did you find about how these structures were constructed? Was there anything that you that you started to glean in
[00:08:57] that realm?
[00:08:59] Brad, you want to do this one?
[00:09:01] Um, well, I don't know if from from the work that we've done, I don't know if we've come to any sort of conclusions about, I don't know, how things were built or how they moved stones or any of that stuff.
[00:09:13] But what we have kind of the the the thing that we had sort of figured out, I think, in in some way is that the Egyptians and other civilizations understood ways to tap into higher states of consciousness that, um, give them access to states of knowing. They
[00:09:28] give them, you know, sort of states of revelation or epiphany. Mhm. So, um, however they were able the Egyptians were able to do things that we maybe don't understand how they did, in my opinion.
[00:09:39] Um they had a they understood the brain and consciousness and they understood how to tap into these states of knowing and they had revelations. They had, you know, they they contemplated and they thought about this stuff and then they went into
[00:09:51] basically isolation chambers or big dark stone rooms and isolated the entire external world and were left with just their consciousness and probably had imbibed some sort of psychedelic brew and gone through a whole bunch of, you know, physiological refinement of the
[00:10:06] body and tapped into these states of knowing.
[00:10:10] And I think that's how they were able to do things that we don't understand because they they had access to perennial truth. They had access to to, you know, to how to solve these problems cuz they were they were thinking about them and then they were going into these what I
[00:10:24] refer to as kind of gymnasiums for consciousness, these temples or these dark these dark rooms and tapping into states of knowing. So I mean how did they how did they build their temples? How did they move these stones? I'm not entirely sure but I I am
[00:10:38] relatively certain to think that they were tapping into universal truth and universal knowing and so they tapped into some sort of uh aspect, some sort of truths about physics or some sort of truths about, you know, mathematics or pulleys or
[00:10:52] systems or way to move stones or how to maybe even make stones. I think that's one of the more interesting things to me about um pyramids and other big stone um monuments across the the world.
[00:11:04] Uh some of those stones, particularly in like Peru, have little areas of the stone where they're broken off that looks like the same areas when you look at glass blowers when they have like I don't know what it's called in glass blowing but you have like a handle
[00:11:15] that's holding onto the glass thing and you kind of break it off and it leaves this little nub and there's walls in Peru that have those little like nubs and stuff like that. So that's an interesting idea to me that perhaps they were somehow making some sort of cement
[00:11:27] or melting rock in some way or just doing something so that you get those perfectly nice seams and those rounded edges and stuff like that, but that's just a theory that's a theory that people have put out there, but I don't know. We don't I don't think we could We
[00:11:40] don't make any claims to say we know how they were, you know, how the pyramids were built or how they moved these these rocks, but I think we can make the the a strong presentation that they were able they did these things because they were able to tap into states of of
[00:11:53] knowing and and and truth.
[00:11:56] Mhm.
[00:11:57] Egypt um Egypt is the home of the the oldest um that what Brad said was absolutely correct. And what makes it so interesting is nobody knows. So, that's why it's such a fertile ground for speculation and such a green pasture for charlatans and nutcases is you can
[00:12:11] really make up anything you want and say it about Egypt. One of the things we've tried to do in in Magical Egypt is, you know, hold on to that tether of scientific credibility and um examine some really practical things that are right there in front of you
[00:12:25] like the uh cement. The oldest recipe we have for cement in the world comes from ancient Egypt. And uh it to this day it's still one of the leading contenders for the best cement that you can pour.
[00:12:35] And um there's all kinds of evidence to indicate that they didn't lift a lot of those stones, but they actually poured them into place. They had some way of liquefying stone or maybe something even stranger where you could grow stone like uh like crystals. But a lot of those
[00:12:48] things in the pyramid were actually poured into place because we know that what the Egyptologists have been telling us are wrong and that you can't build a ramp. If you build a ramp that works to drag stones up, it's too steep and you can't drag the stones up. There's all uh
[00:13:01] practical reasons why all the things we've been told about the building of the pyramids aren't correct. But there are these really interesting anecdotal stories is about all you can do is anecdotal stories from from other cultures at the time, but there is a
[00:13:13] bunch of people in that area that know how to use acoustics to lift stones. If you just type acoustic levitation in YouTube, you'll see all these traditions of actually using musical instruments and they were quite elaborate where they would stand and the uh the bass players,
[00:13:29] the ones playing the the bass horns would be farther back. And they had all these precise and you have to uh form a kind of half circle so that the focus of the sound is on the stone. But even back in the '20s, there were missionaries and people who were documenting uh how monks
[00:13:44] uh would lift really giant stones. And it may have something to do with the crystal content in the stones that allows the audio, you know, um piezoelectric quartz crystal is what you use in electric guitars and um and and other things. And they're
[00:13:59] vibration detectors and they turn vibration into an electrical signal. So, that's why it works on a guitar. But like Ed Leedskalnin, there's this cool guy Ed Leedskalnin who made a place called Coral Castle. And he seemed to have been lifting. Yeah, uh amazing
[00:14:12] story if uh if people out there haven't heard the story, amazing story. And he was just a spindly little guy who was all by himself and he built this whole castle out of giant giant stones. And he said the same thing. He was using a trick trick that the ancient Egyptians
[00:14:26] knew and he wouldn't tell anyone what it was. And he took it to his grave, whatever that trick was. But it seemed to have to do with sound waves vibrating the crystal structures inside the stone.
[00:14:35] So, the sandstone that was natural in Egypt was a perfect candidate for this.
[00:14:39] And um lots and lots of interesting possibilities, but uh just to button up what what Brad said, no one really knows and it's why it's such a ongoing and enduring riddle. And you know, the farther our science advances, the less we seem to understand about it.
[00:14:55] Sure.
[00:14:56] you know, I think I just did not to like I said, we don't have a whole thing on how the how the stuff is built in the in the Magical Egypt series, but like there's something I think about often with that, which is the step pyramids. Like we all look at
[00:15:07] those and they're in Mexico and they have them other places. And it doesn't seem like people get too as like blown away by how the step pyramid was made like at Saqqara.
[00:15:14] There's Djoser's King Djoser's pyramid and that's like that step pyramid.
[00:15:19] And in my brain I often think I don't know why the ramp idea is when if I whenever I look at a step pyramid, I think you have the platforms of the steps. Couldn't you just lift blocks up on the each one of the steps and fill in the steps to make the triangle shape of
[00:15:33] the outer thing? Like the I don't know if that's if that would be a possibility, but there's a part of me where I feel like the step pyramid has a basis for all the scaffolding to stand on and have shelves and have different steps and you could lift where
[00:15:44] you know you could pull these rocks up to each step and bring them up to the next step, but then I don't know how you know once you fill in the steps at one point you're going to be you know the last one you have to fill the last row you have to fill I don't
[00:15:54] know how you would do it exactly, but there's a part of me whenever I look at step pyramids I'm like it seems like all the scaffolding is there to just fill in the steps and make the surfaces of the triangles and stuff, but anyways like I said that's
[00:16:04] I mean I'm somewhere between between cymatics and and you know using the third eye as like some sort of you know mental concentration and and lay lines seem to have something to do with it because there were I mean there was so much math involved in where these
[00:16:21] structures are built and you know so I wanted to ask you there's there's so many questions that have that have come to mind as you guys are talking, but there's such a there are such a difference there in the society of ancient Egypt and our society today. And
[00:16:35] it it it feels like today we you know something has been hidden from us like we you know there's this secret understanding of you know the third eye for example or you know even just the question like what happens after you die? These things don't seem
[00:16:54] to come up people are so busy with their 9-5 jobs and you know they're just so immersed in you know if you have a 9-5 and and two kids you're not asking these types of questions. You don't have time to. That's the way the system here is designed now, right? And so we could I
[00:17:09] mean we could get into like Archons or you know whatever, but but I I want to ask you know why why was the third eye or the pine cone, why why was that such a a major point for what for the Egyptians?
[00:17:26] You want to take start a chance?
[00:17:26] Uh yeah. Well, so uh if you read up on parallel cultures, cultures that were coexistent, and some cultures that existed before uh dynastic Egypt, the Vedic culture is all about the third eye. And by the way, um I'd like to introduce this idea, this idea of the
[00:17:44] holy trinity, that in just about all of the major religious structures, you have a holy trinity of some sort. You have Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, and you have the Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit. But there's hundreds and hundreds of them when you look into um religions all over
[00:17:58] the world.
[00:17:59] And what the conclusion we've come to is that this whole idea is an allegory.
[00:18:03] Most of religion and most of spiritual stories are allegories for something that's that's much more practical.
[00:18:09] But um the uh I'm I got to tell me where we're Tell me where Tell me where we're going.
[00:18:16] I started writing notes and I forgot where I was going.
[00:18:18] All right, the third eye, the significance of it.
[00:18:20] Oh yeah, right. So um the um the third eye should actually be thought of as a threefold thing. So the three um three holy deities actually represent the pineal gland, the pituitary, and the thalamus.
[00:18:32] Sure.
[00:18:32] And your third eye is actually this threefold structure in the diencephalon.
[00:18:37] And what's really interesting about that is two of those parts, the pineal gland and the pituitary, both have these uh slight magnetic fields around them. So this has been pretty much wiped out of Western culture, but back in the 1800s, before all this information got
[00:18:50] withdrawn, there are practices that you can do. And this is the essence of occultism. It is really the essence of the higher uh stratus of yoga, that through these certain uh exercises that were the point of the mystery schools, uh you can amplify the magnetic fields of these two
[00:19:06] parts of your brain.
[00:19:08] And when you amplify them enough, they start to overlap, interestingly um creating the vesica piscis symbol, you know, the two circles that overlap. This might be a kind of secret meaning for that symbol. But, when you start developing through these Eastern
[00:19:23] Ayurvedic techniques, you will start amplifying the magnetic field of these parts of your brain, and this sort of new or higher consciousness starts to come online that Xavier, you and I have talked about this quite a bit. It's a wild card what's
[00:19:37] going to happen when your third eye opens, and different people like the X-Men, different people have different like superpowers, cities they're called siddhis in the in the Vedantic. But, these superpowers, so you don't know what it is. Sometimes you can
[00:19:49] read thoughts, sometimes you can see the future. Different people have different attributes. But, it seems like it's an evolutionary stage that we all should be moving into, and it's just we we've talked about it being like a second puberty you can go through where your
[00:20:02] higher body or your mental body or your you know, your psycho-spiritual body goes through a puberty of its own. It's like a second puberty. And, this higher body has organs of perception. So, if you can do this or as a result of a Kundalini experience, sometimes this
[00:20:17] apparatus comes online. But, this threefold structure in your brain when you bring it to this point where it actually comes online, you will start noticing different properties of consciousness, and you will start being one of those strange
[00:20:28] mystic people that you know, can sometimes hear thoughts or you know, your dreams will predict the future. All of these things aren't weird supernatural things. They're normal parts of the evolutionary process. But, for some reason in our culture, there
[00:20:40] seems to be a war on this. Kind of like we're chickens, we're all being harvested, and they don't want us to know about this empowering thing. So, we stay It's you know, it's it's an easy road to go down, road to madness trying to speculate on why this is happening,
[00:20:55] but one thing I think it's hard to argue with is there does seem to be a war on consciousness and higher states of consciousness. And, we live in a culture that prefers to keep us disabled in this particular way. So, all the food that you eat, you know, has chemicals in it
[00:21:08] that'll calcify your pineal gland and it's a very interesting um way of spiritually neutering or castrating us uh giving us these additives and stuff that calcify parts of the brain, kill the magnetic fields and whatnot. So, it's there and everyone
[00:21:22] has access to it, but for some reason the people in charge um whoever that might be seem to be hesitant in the Western world to even talk about it. So, all of these incredible traditions and these birthrights, this amazing kind of spiritual cult birthright that we all
[00:21:36] have is actively withheld from us and that's part of the reason why we decided to go public about the Kundalini topic because it's happening to more and more people and uh it's not addressed. There's no context in the Western world. So, people
[00:21:49] think they're going insane and people are isolated, the people who've had it.
[00:21:53] And so, one of the things that uh we've been talking about, I've been having a series of enjoyable chats with Xavier about this that this is a threshold event and there's something happening in society where more and more people are waking up to this like a pan of popcorn
[00:22:05] that starts with just a couple of kernels to pop and pretty soon the whole thing goes, but there's some early warning early adopters, canaries in the coal mine uh that have experienced Kundalini and the more we talk about it, the more it gets normalized. Um we've
[00:22:18] had a number of we well, we've had one prominent person and a couple of other people mention that somebody's had Kundalini experiences literally listening to Brad and I talk which I don't take any credit for that. It's probably Brad. But um there's more more
[00:22:30] and more people are experiencing this thing and um it seems to be the most important thing in the world and it seems to be this evolutionary thing. We're all going through a collective puberty, but there might very well be some forces that are
[00:22:42] interested in keeping that from happening.
[00:22:45] Well, I think I think too uh to add to that that comment about the third eye. I think um the third eye is one of those things that has this is this has all this enigma and mystery around it too. So, I think there's this ability as artists and Chance and I have
[00:22:59] talked about this a lot, this idea of the third eye really just being your mind's eye and and you know and Chance and I as artists have to flex that muscle all the time. We live in our mind's eye like we have to come up with concepts before when I'm doing poster
[00:23:11] artwork I have to visualize things and my see them in my mind. I'm not seeing them with my two eyes. They're in my you know inside my head that I'm seeing these things.
[00:23:20] And I think that's sort of the an important thing to kind of there's obviously all kinds of things if you have a psychedelic experience, if you have a near-death experience, if you have a Kundalini experience and you can say your third eye is opened.
[00:23:32] All kinds of all sorts of insane crazy surreal things can be happening in your awareness and stuff like that.
[00:23:38] Sure.
[00:23:39] But I think at its core, you know, it's really is this idea of but again if you go into the King's Chamber of the of the pyramid it's total darkness and you're just sitting there but eventually you'll start seeing things in your in your mind's eye and and you know when
[00:23:52] you go to bed at night you close your eyes and there's this other quote-unquote eye that is seeing. You're still seeing things in your dreams, you know. So to try and kind of demystify that third eye concept a little bit and get more at this like actual truth of what it is is
[00:24:08] I think it's this you know I if you anybody who read the X-Men comic books you know read like the watched the movies they had the X-Men trained in this thing called the danger room which was just an empty room but they could basically put them into any situation
[00:24:20] like a virtual reality sort of thing and they could go train against you know the bad guys and stuff like that. And my that to me I think is a great analogy for what's kind of happening in your mind's eye is that when you get to these higher states of consciousness you have
[00:24:33] this other sort of virtual space to contemplate and to think about stuff and to try things out and then contemplate and have you know have these ideas and have these visualizations and um I I think you know when Chance has talked about this too that idea like
[00:24:50] visualize an apple in your mind's eye like try and visualize an apple and then to what degree do you see that apple?
[00:24:56] And when my family was here for Thanksgiving, my mother-in-law just happened to have something on my social media that was this same sort of thing. It had four versions of an apple. One was like just a silhouette of an apple. Another one was sort of a clip art cartoon one. And
[00:25:10] then another one was a fully a photograph of an apple. And it was like, "Which one do you see in your mind's eye when you picture an apple?"
[00:25:17] And the people that were at my my house for Thanksgiving saw varying degrees.
[00:25:21] They Some people saw just the you know, the silhouette. And some people who were more of us that were more artistic could see the full apple. See it from you know, multiple angles. See which change the lighting on it. Change the texture of the skin. Make it more rotten. Make
[00:25:34] it more fresh, you know.
[00:25:35] And so I think that's an interesting aspect of the of just any human skill, any human ability that there's some people that have more of a natural ability to utilize their third eye, to utilize their mind's eye, and to see things in a way that maybe other people can't. And
[00:25:50] there's even a thing called infantesia, which is where people can't visualize in their mind's eye. Um that's why they don't like reading books cuz they can't paint the pictures in their mind. So, there's something about that idea of the third eye that it's not
[00:26:01] just some sort of mystical spiritual thing that that ties you to these things. That does happen when you take psychedelics or have a Kundalini experience. And I'm not trying to diminish that at all. I'm more just trying to get at the core of what I
[00:26:12] think that this idea of seeing or sight, you know, in in in Rishi, that word Rishi means seer, you know. And when you understand something, you you say, "I see what you mean." You know, sight is is also synonymous with with comprehension and understanding. So,
[00:26:26] that idea of seeing all, you know, having an all-seeing eye or or a third eye is also this this poetic symbol about knowledge, about being able to see everything, about being able to know everything. So, there's a It all kind of comes back to this idea of gnosis and
[00:26:40] knowing and and sight as comprehension.
[00:26:43] So, that that symbol of the third eye is just such a heavily, you know, as far as a logo goes, as far as graphic design of logos go, that that that Egyptian Eye of Horus is is just so loaded with symbolism and so much it's so rich with meaning.
[00:26:55] You know, it's it's it's a testament to how brilliant the Egyptians were that in that simple symbol of an eye they could encode information about the brain, they could encode information about states of knowing and and and all this all this
[00:27:07] other stuff. So, it's it's a really fascinating symbol and and has to deal I think in my opinion with this idea of sight as comprehension and and this knowing.
[00:27:20] Sure. Ash, you're awfully quiet back there. What's on your third eye?
[00:27:25] Well, I think too when a lot of the talk also is centered around like astral projection and it makes me think about remote viewing, sensory deprivation, ways to tap into and use creative and and it makes a lot of sense that back in Egypt they if if if it were more
[00:27:45] accepted in society and they were to use these altered states of consciousness to gather this information because a lot of what I hear is UAP related. So, when people talk about Egypt, it's alien physical help of them coming down and helping.
[00:28:03] But, man what I found really interesting was that they acquire the knowledge through these altered states of consciousness and their third eye and then they also explain it and through this art. And and so, I guess my question would be to like the connection of all of the art in
[00:28:20] terms of like trying to explain the location of the third eye. Like could you guys talk about that more of like in the brain of how the art was described to?
[00:28:30] There was the the fundamental thing that got us started was what Brad was just talking about, the eye of Horus. There's this amazing and probably the most iconic image in ancient Egypt is the eye of Horus.
[00:28:42] And it literally, if you look at the brain from the side, if you slash a brain down the middle, the diencephalon is the structure that we were just talking about. That's the threefold third eye.
[00:28:51] That whole diencephalon structure, when you see it from the side, looks exactly like the icon. Cuz if you look at the Egyptian eye, it's not completely anatomically correct. There's some weird spike sticking off of it and stuff. So, it turns out when you look at that eye,
[00:29:05] and then you look at the third ventricle in the brain, and the whole structure of the diencephalon, it is exactly this third eye. And so, what a beautiful way to take um to take this idea that Brad was just talking about, the the symbol of knowing
[00:29:21] and seeing and perception is the eye.
[00:29:23] Only this is the eye single, the single eye in your head. And sort of like one set of eyes, your double eyes look outward, and one set of eyes monitors the inner world. And so, because we live in a culture that is constantly keeping you out of your head, you know, when you
[00:29:38] go have lunch, there's music playing in the restaurants, or everywhere you go, our whole society is structured to keep you externally oriented. And so, when you start participating in that strange inner universe in your head, that's the inner eye that that takes over.
[00:29:51] And um there's an interesting thing about Egypt and the mystery schools that if you were an initiate in Egypt, the first thing you had to do was um first of all, take a vow of silence for 5 years, which is a great idea for a lot of people I know. Uh but also, you would
[00:30:06] stay underground.
[00:30:08] Um you would stay underground for 5 years.
[00:30:10] You'd stay in the dark.
[00:30:12] And anybody who's read um our friend Rick Strassman has an amazing book, the DMT DMT book.
[00:30:18] He's been on the show.
[00:30:19] DMT tends to When Thomas Edison invented the light bulb, our pineal glands have been shrinking ever since the invention of the light bulb and artificial light. And so, when these initiates would go underground for 5 years, you'd have this incredible build-up of DMT
[00:30:35] because you never did see light for a period of time. So, you're kind of supercharging your third eye in these uh early initiatory things. and I'm sure it wasn't pleasant, but they seem to not only understand the parts of the brain that were responsible for
[00:30:48] consciousness, which is what season 2 is all about. We show that in the artwork and in the statuary and even in the architecture, they had schematized the important parts of the brain that played a role in consciousness.
[00:31:00] And it seemed to be a science that you learned, which was very akin to yoga.
[00:31:05] That's basically what yoga is now. You learn the actual structure of your brain. You learn how to intentionally focus your energy in your body to do these things like amplifying the magnetic field like we're talking about.
[00:31:16] And the reason why you need these really exact schematics of your brain is when you're doing these advanced yoga and tantric kundalini techniques, you're focusing energy on very specific parts of the brain. So, if you don't know the layout of your brain, you're
[00:31:28] never going to be able to do that. So, in the artwork, we found um these unbelievably complicated and accurate, by the way, of course accurate schematics of the brain stem and certain structures in the brain stem and of course the diencephalon
[00:31:43] showing that they were not only obsessed with consciousness, but they could actually specifically pinpoint the parts of the brain that were involved in consciousness and more importantly the kinds the parts of the brain that would initiate this higher consciousness that
[00:31:54] we kind of get a sneak peek of when we do hallucinogens or in the kundalini experience. You just have this different operating frequency of of your brain, a different suites of tools and different things that it can do.
[00:32:06] But that's why. That's the reason why as far as we can tell, this whole culture was radiating the science of consciousness and they were giving you visual aids to know where to focus your energy when you're doing these um kundalini and yoga exercises.
[00:32:21] I think I think to to to um to your question to Astral, I mean, what how how are they showing where this was in the brain and the third eye and stuff like that. I mean, one of the the revelations of the first magical Egypt series um was you know, John Anthony West showing
[00:32:37] everybody Schwaller de Lubicz's work at the Temple of Luxor and how the Temple of Luxor was laid out in the blueprint of the human body and more specifically how the Holy of Holies in the Temple, the place where the priest goes to, you know, quote unquote
[00:32:51] communicate with God sits right in the place of the middle of the brain or sits right where the third ventricle is. And that in that Temple of Luxor, um, you they would have they would have this from Karnak to from a temple in Karnak to the Temple in Luxor, they would move
[00:33:06] this golden statue of the the Egyptian god Amun who has a rat a ram's head and they would have this ceremony moving in from Karnak moving into Luxor and um they would take this statue of Amun, this ram-headed god, into the Holy of Holies. And as we talk about in in
[00:33:21] season two, that there's parts of the brain that have like the shape of the hippocampus and the and there's this ram's horn shape to the brain and there's even parts of the uh hippocampus referred to as Amun's horn. Um, and interesting enough, the word the
[00:33:36] name uh Amun means the hidden god. So, that the Egyptian god Amun is the is the hidden god and they they have a temple, uh, you know, where the Holy of Holies, where you take where the priest goes to communicate with Amun, with the hidden god, and that place is
[00:33:51] representative of the of the third ventricle of the brain, of the middle of the brain. So, and I mean that's from, you know, that's from Schwaller's work and that's from, uh, you know, John Anthony Westmoreland showing all of us that showing us Schwaller's work. So,
[00:34:06] um, and then you tie that into the Eye of Horus and as Chance was saying, like the Eye of Horus when looked at the, you know, from the side, from a sagittal view, it really does show you kind of the the not only the diencephalon but the ventricles of the brain and the
[00:34:19] ventricles of the of the brain are where there is these sort of, um, cisterns of cerebrospinal fluid. And that goes into sort of the physiology of this of of the brain and how that that fluid that the brain inside and out. So, when looking at, you know, the temple
[00:34:35] structure and through Schwaller's work, you realize that that and that was one of the most profound things from that first magical Egypt series for myself as just a person who was just watching that series was the notion that temples were being
[00:34:47] laid out in the form of the human body and the the whole process was to go through the beginning of the temple and to get into the holy of holies as you're walking through this sort of larger symbolic version of the body. And then you go to the central point of the the
[00:35:00] to the holy of holies into the center of the brain and it's a dark room, dark stone room, and you're sort of in a way walking through your own body and walking through you having a sort of a a walking visual visualization of yourself, centering yourself in the
[00:35:14] center of the brain.
[00:35:16] And you're supposed to go talk to the hidden god in that in that holy of holies, you know, and so there's this symbolism of the ram horns and and the eye of Horus that that that shows that that in our in our opinion, I think other people out there, too, that
[00:35:30] this was representing brain anatomy. And I'm sure there would be people out there that would disagree with that, but I think that it can we can make a pretty strong case that that's that's what they were showing and in other cathedrals and in other
[00:35:42] temples, it is a tradition that the holy of holies is representative of uh the brain in Hindu temples. The temples are laid out in the form of a human body and the holy of holies again is right where the the the the middle of the brain is. So, um
[00:35:55] again, it just it in my opinion, it just shines a light on this idea that these temples were consciousness gymnasiums or places to go exercise higher states of consciousness in the in the body and they did it sort of brilliantly by making you kind of walk
[00:36:09] through this giant representation of yourself. So, you kind of had an as above, so below type of moment um constantly while you're going into this temple and, you know, in your brain you're you're thinking about, you know, the third ventricle, you're thinking
[00:36:21] about the middle of your brain, then you're walking to the temple where you're supposed to go to where this place is represented in the temple and have this experience, you know, and it's the same thing when you look at Michelangelo's painting of you know, the
[00:36:32] creation of Adam on the on the Sistine Chapel ceiling that God is communicating to Adam through the middle of the brain.
[00:36:39] And so there's this and regardless of what your thoughts are about God or divinity or those terms, it's just there's this artwork showing that there is gnosis or divinity associated with the middle of the brain and and it's seen in temples, it's seen in cathedral
[00:36:54] cathedrals and and and different structures throughout human civilization. So it's once you start seeing that symbolism, you start seeing it in other places, you know.
[00:37:05] Yeah, I mean it it's amazing to link to the chakra system especially in the Temple of Luxor. I mean and and how connected all of that is and and there's also something to be said about that period of going underground and being in the absence of all light and activating
[00:37:21] this sort of DMT, you know, molecule in the brain because, you know, if you if you have dreams when you're dreaming, that's that's what's happening in your pineal gland. I mean scientists think I mean we haven't isolated exactly where the brain where in the brain it comes
[00:37:35] from but um you know, hypothetically it does come from the pineal gland. So when you're when you're as you're dreaming, you know, this is what's being released in your brain is DMT and you know, so so my next question I guess would be would be psychedelics. Like
[00:37:51] what are these what are what are these magical brews like ayahuasca, DMT such as that? How does that affect this this inner working of this this sort of mystical connection to this higher consciousness or um this inner standing that we have.
[00:38:14] Brad, you want to try it?
[00:38:14] Um sure. Yeah, I think um I mean psychedelics are are are one of the most fascinating things on the on the planet that I think literally I mean the fact that there is a fungus that grows out of the earth and you eat it and it makes you see these complex
[00:38:30] geometric patterns and it makes you have these these sort of feelings of of much bigger holistic viewpoints of yourself and the world and it makes you feel, you know, connected to to the wholeness of everything. Um It's It's unbelievably fascinating. You
[00:38:45] know, it's one thing to, you know, take some fermented grapes and it gets you loopy and it gets you drunk, you know, but it's another thing if you eat this fungus and it's not really getting you drunk, it's it's taking you to other states of consciousness. I mean, that's
[00:38:57] the idea of that just being a drug or just another sort of standard like high or a good time at a party is is sort of a misconception about the power of these things is that it it somehow triggers the brain into these higher states of functionality and and they've done
[00:39:12] studies with LSD where they show um brain imaging where there's more interconnectivity between places of the brain where they don't normally communicate. And and you know, and and that the corpus callosum, that part of the brain that connects the two
[00:39:24] hemispheres uh Iain McGilchrist talks about how that part of that bridge between the two hemispheres is actually more inhibitory than it is than it allows communication. So, I think psychedelics unlock a lot of those inhibitory inhibited pathways between
[00:39:39] different parts of the brain and that's why you start making connections and start having analogies and thoughts about things in ways that you didn't because all of a sudden the network of your brain is communicating with with other parts of the brain that maybe it
[00:39:50] doesn't normally speak to. And psychedelics are a catalyst for that, you know, it's the one of the best things I think I ever heard about psychedelics was you know, they're really just an amplifier for consciousness. And you know, as Chance and I are both guitar players
[00:40:04] and you think about that, if you have an acoustic guitar and and then and then all of a sudden people came along and electrified it, think how much amplification did for the instrument of the guitar and how much it basically changed became created rock and roll,
[00:40:16] you know, you know. So, that notion that psychedelics are really just an amplifier for consciousness, I thought it was one of the best analogies for that because it really is just taking your consciousness and plugging it into an amp. And now all
[00:40:28] of a sudden you have this massive more sound, you have all these other plateaus and all these other options to you that you can that you have available.
[00:40:34] So, I think you know, I think pretty early on and it's you know, across shamanic traditions, human beings figured out which of these plants, you know, cause these effects. And and I think, you know, couple that with you take those psychedelics and then you go sit in a
[00:40:51] like I said, in the King's Chamber of the Pyramid and it's totally black and totally dark and you've been training yourself to lay still and then lay in that that that place without falling asleep and your consciousness is now amplified even more than it would have
[00:41:04] been if you weren't if you don't take psychedelics and you go sit in a dark room, your consciousness is going to you're going to start visualizing and seeing things. So, you know, add this crazy amplification to that experience and you all of a sudden have this sort
[00:41:17] of higher functional brain functionality and you have parts of the brain that are communicating in ways that they weren't you have your you have your brain showing you things that you didn't see before, you know, it's it's truly fascinating and then I'm glad
[00:41:32] that psychedelics are getting more support in the world today for like dealing with, you know, post-traumatic stress disorder and depression and people that have, you know, fatal cancers and stuff like that. But really I think hopefully we can get past not only just the benefits
[00:41:46] for for, you know, health issues, but for people that don't have health issues and are just exploring consciousness. I mean, that's that's really where that the rocket ship of uh you know, psychedelics for in my opinion is. It's great if it can help people
[00:41:58] with their illnesses or their sicknesses or their anxiety or their depression.
[00:42:03] But it once you're beyond those things, it it it just becomes this, you know, this launching pad for for contemplation and for thought and it's I think human beings have have figured that out since the you know, when you go into caves where there's all
[00:42:16] the cave artwork throughout human history. A lot of that art is deep down into the parts of the cave. It's not like we're necessarily right in the front. It's deep into the dark parts of the cave. So, imagine you've taken a bunch of psychedelics and you're in
[00:42:28] pitch black darkness and you just have that X-Men's Danger Room, this whole virtual world opens up in front of you and you know you start seeing things and and if you're able you can retain some of the information you see in those states and bring it back with you and go, "Hey,
[00:42:45] I think I figured out how to like sustain the fire that you know we made."
[00:42:48] Or I think I think I figured out if we carved this knocked this rock into a circular shape it becomes a usable tool. You know, I think epiphanies are are psychedelics are sort of this launchpad for epiphany and contemplation.
[00:43:03] Hey, I've got a bit to add. Um, first of all, shout out to Les Paul. Shout out to Les Paul for electrifying the guitar.
[00:43:09] Amazing, Brad.
[00:43:11] I'm wiping the tears from my eyes but what Brad said.
[00:43:15] Uh, so um the the pineal gland and DMT in particular is a really interesting thing in this discussion because um for people who've read Rick Strassman's book the DMT DMT the Spirit Molecule he talks about a really interesting thing about the pineal gland and about
[00:43:31] DMT that your your pineal gland for the most part produces DMT your whole life uh, under extreme moments almost like a dream of chrome under moments of extreme torture and anguish uh, your pineal gland will release some DMT. That's why like American Indians used to do that
[00:43:47] thing where they suspend themselves from hooks under their breast muscles um and the interesting because the pain extreme pain produces a DMT drip and it creates a visionary. Um, you really have to be dedicated to go down that road but um and I've never done it. I can't say
[00:44:04] that I've done it. Uh, but apparently that works. But anyway, there's a really interesting thing that you see in Egypt.
[00:44:08] The There's a this old Sufi um lineage, which is actually a really interesting um mystery school in itself, the Sufis.
[00:44:15] But the Sufis um have these people called whirling dervishes, and it's a thing that's I believe unique to the um you know, Arab cultures Arab lands. Uh, you spin These guys spin. Everyone's seen a whirling dervish. The reason that they spin is that oddly enough uh
[00:44:32] geometric coincidence that might not be a coincidence the pineal gland is in the exact axial center of your body. So, when you spin, you're actually doing centripetal I forget centripetal or centrifugal, but whichever one is from the inside out.
[00:44:46] Mhm.
[00:44:46] The yang part. When you spin, you're actually using centripetal force to pull DMT out of your pineal gland.
[00:44:54] Wow.
[00:44:54] Uh, and give yourself a trip that way.
[00:44:56] So, it's interesting that it's exactly in our center and we're you know, maybe we should all be spinning more often.
[00:45:01] But um in the moment, so your your pineal gland's making DMT your whole life.
[00:45:06] I'm in the middle of the Asian jungle right now and it is raining like I've never seen before, so if it's making you have to pee, that's normal. Don't feel bad about it.
[00:45:15] Anyway, um so your pineal gland saves up DMT your whole life and then when you die, the very last thing that happens to you is your pineal gland releases this flood of DMT and you undergo this hallucinatory experience. Anybody who's ever done DMT is a weird strong
[00:45:31] hallucinogen, but it's there for a specific purpose and it seems to be it opens this door that allows you to exit your incarnate meat wagon, um your you know, your physical body.
[00:45:41] And so the it it plays a really crucial role in moving whatever that intangible thing that is you um out of your body. And when you're born um when you're born, there's a massive DMT drip uh from both mother and child that kind of creates this lifelong bond.
[00:45:59] You're not a male or female in utero until day 49 when your pineal gland differentiates and it the first thing it does is does this big release of DMT and it seems like that might be where the soul moves into the body on day 49 in utero because on that
[00:46:13] day you're either a male or female and you were you were neither one up until that moment.
[00:46:18] Wow.
[00:46:18] And so in so the other thing is this that your brain the old kind of reductionist materialist model is that your brain produces consciousness and everything you are and everything you know and everything you remember is all in your brain somewhere.
[00:46:32] But the other model that is kind of the thinking behind ancient Egypt and the thinking we adopt in the show is that consciousness exists completely outside of the body and your brain acts more like a radio and you tune into this frequency that and you participate in
[00:46:47] consciousness this universal consciousness.
[00:46:50] And it comes through you and it's individuated in you but it's more like a subscription service like a radio and your pineal gland kind of acts like the channel changer. There's these interesting crystal structures in the pineal gland that work sort of like the
[00:47:04] electric guitar that we talked about.
[00:47:06] But that the idea that hallucinogens will change the radio frequency that you're subscribed to so suddenly you're getting alien voices you're communi- you're communing with strange creatures that have nothing to do with you. In fact in Rick Strassman's book he was
[00:47:20] visited at some point by very high up Buddhist monks who told him you have to stop doing that cuz you're screwing around with the machinery of incarnation. Some of these people are having visions of 300 lifetimes in the future when everyone is an intelligent being or a
[00:47:36] you know a sentient lizard or something and that's just not natural in the scheme of things to mess around with this DMT this fine strange structure in your head that allows you to move out of your body when it's time to die. So hallucinogens my point is this that
[00:47:50] hallucinogens seem to change the channel that your brain is um checking into and that's why sometimes you get these visions or voices or you're communing with things that are clearly not human. In some cases vastly intelligent, vastly strange, alien, HP
[00:48:05] Lovecraftian entities and I don't know what to say about them except they're out there and when you start playing with the radio in your head, you can start tuning in some far, far away things. And uh anyway, so that's the seat of the soul. And the third eye by
[00:48:20] the way, Rene Descartes and philosophers all through um the ages have been saying the pineal gland and diencephalon is the seat of the soul. And uh one of the things that Brad talks about in the show that was so interesting is it really is significant because it's a nexus of
[00:48:34] systems. The third eye and diencephalon uh are the nexus where your circulatory body, you know, in the tarot you have um uh earth, water, air, and fire. And you have one of those bodies that correspond, you have your meat muscle body, you have your liquid body that is
[00:48:49] your emotions and your lymph glands and your blood that, you know, when you cry, water comes out, liquid comes out, liquid emotion. And then um the air is your lower mental state and your air uh your lungs and stuff like that.
[00:49:02] And then fire is the electrical synaptic body, which is your nervous system.
[00:49:07] All four of those bodies and then consciousness, of course, would be the fifth element that binds it all together. But these things all hinge like the the linchpin of all your bodies is your pineal gland. So Rene Descartes and a bunch of other people have always
[00:49:19] suggested that this the I am, your sense of self or your sense of who you are is in the third eye. Interesting that the I, the word I, e y e, and the word I like myself, the letter I, it might be the third eye actually means the third me, which is seems to be the
[00:49:34] case. So you have three distinct voices in your head. One of them comes from each hemisphere and the other one, this third voice, no one's exactly sure where it comes from, but that might be the third eye. So anyway, the seat of the soul, where does the soul reside? It
[00:49:47] seems to be not just the diencephalon, but the interaction of the diencephalon and the blood and the lymph. Brad goes into quite a bit of detail about the neuroendocrine system and the whole science of neuroendocrinology, which is just specifically studying how these
[00:50:02] bodies interact and how it's not just one thing that causes consciousness, but it's the interaction of the blood, the ventricles, and the electrical system and and and the body. So, once again, these um fantastically descriptive schematics in the artwork
[00:50:18] show you all these things. And that idea of the crossover where all the bodies meet, the nexus point, is echoed all over Egypt. When you see statues, um they frequently have their arms crossed, their crook and flail crossed. And the idea of the crossing signifies this part
[00:50:31] of the brain where this is where biology becomes thought or where where body becomes mind, the crossover from the material to the intellectual or or um you know, from the material to the non-material. This crossover is extremely significant for
[00:50:44] them, and it seems to take place at this um place at the pineal or or the diencephalon.
[00:50:49] And I think too, to add to the to to add to that, one of the other important people involved in Magical Egypt for the second series was Gary Osborn. And Gary Osborn's work goes into a lot of that aspect of this kind of holy trinity of the the pituitary, the
[00:51:04] thalamus, and the and the pineal and just that sort of bigger complex of of of, you know, endocrine glands and neurological neurophysiology of those of those glands. Um And so, I I he, you know, his work was a huge help for myself and and and so, his
[00:51:23] there's there's I can't remember which episodes that are in the in season 2 and stuff like that that goes more into Gary's work, but Gary touches on this stuff a lot, too.
[00:51:31] Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's such a Anyone who knows me knows that ayahuasca is a huge huge part of my life and if there's I think if there's anything that's going to save humanity, it's going to be plant medicine. And and plants are infinitely
[00:51:43] smarter than we are. And and I'm not so sure about humans, you know, I'm not sure I'm not sure where we're headed right now, but um you know, it leads me to think about so much and and a huge part of Magical Egypt is is Kundalini and I mean and other thing
[00:52:02] there are two things in my life that have changed the trajectory of my life forever. The first is Kundalini and the second is ayahuasca, those two things.
[00:52:10] But I happen to suffer a Kundalini activation a couple decades ago. I was just a a kid in college really and and I had no idea. I had no idea what was happening to me. I thought I was completely insane. I still think I'm a little bit crazy, but I mean that's you
[00:52:27] know, that's up for up for up for debate. I I just you know, there there's something about Kundalini itself as this this movement through the chakra system as this this sort of represented as this sort of serpent that that moves up the energy
[00:52:44] body and you know, I loved loved loved that in like I guess you'd say the third season of of of Magical Egypt that you put you guys put so much effort and time into covering this aspect of the the human experience and you know, so I'd really like to start you know,
[00:53:02] talking about openly more about Kundalini. I wish you know, I bet there are people out there that have had either you know, minor Kundalini eruptions or you know, even full-blown activations that you know, nowadays will probably land you in a
[00:53:18] mental facility somewhere if you talk openly about. So so I thought it was you know, such a gift that you guys you know, were offering to to people that could be going through this. I mean nowadays you you can get on Google and there's you know, there's Kundalini yoga
[00:53:34] and stuff like that, but but 20 years ago for me, you know, none of that stuff was available. It took a long time for me to figure out there was even a word for what I was going through.
[00:53:44] So, um so chance So, I I I know that I mean, what's your take on Kundalini and and your perspective on that?
[00:53:58] It is the strangest thing that will ever happen to a person. It I we've talked about it as being kind of a second puberty where for a lot of people, especially Westerners, absolutely out of the blue with no indication that it was coming, no indication of what it is. Uh there's
[00:54:10] other cultures that are you know, kind of ho-hum about this like classical Vedic uh Hindu cultures and the Buddhist cultures, it's absolutely part of the you know, the part of the joy of life.
[00:54:21] But in the West for whatever reason, and that's a whole conversation there, uh tends to go kind of dark.
[00:54:28] We're not allowed to talk about it. We don't know what it is. And it We've talked about this quite a lot. I think it is the most important experience a person can have. It really is literally like a second puberty where you're not really a complete person
[00:54:39] until all this happens.
[00:54:41] And it is the goal of spiritual aspirants in the East to achieve this thing that is sort of like a metaphysical orgasm. It's like something that's not in your physical body has this just sudden and rapid transformation into something else like
[00:54:57] awakening. Um if you've ever seen puppies, when puppies are born, they're born with their eyes closed. And at a certain point over time, if everything goes right, their eyes will eventually open and they'll be much more functional and they don't need to, you know, suck
[00:55:09] on their mother and stay in the in the whatever.
[00:55:13] And so these higher bodies that we have, these electromagnetic psycho-spiritual bodies that Alex Grey, you know, the artist Alex Grey has done fantastic job of painting what each one of these bodies look like, your electrical body, your light body, your
[00:55:26] mental ideological bodies and these higher bodies that Eastern cultures know about, but Western cultures absolutely don't know about. And so it's like this higher body that was born like a puppy with its eyes closed and its different sensory organs um closed. Some people
[00:55:41] that stays that way and it stays inert and dead in them their whole lives because they've never had a catalytic moment. They've never gone after it. Um Xavier, you said something that I think was incredibly important that like Xavier, my own uh Kundalini experience
[00:55:53] happened after a period of 120 days of abstaining from sex.
[00:55:57] Um anything over 90 days, if you can get yourself over 90 days, you're in the running for having a Kundalini experience. If you have the slightest uh knowledge of yoga and meditation and breath work and it's all out there. It's it's there's nothing hidden about
[00:56:11] this except the idea that it's natural and it's inevitable and that it's something that may turn out, you know, the position of the Earth in the Milky Way galaxy and the position of the Milky Way galaxy in the universe. We travel through areas of more and less electric
[00:56:24] electrical magnetic uh density and it might well have an effect on our nervous systems where in these long cycles of time, we have these rises and falls of of of intelligence and spirituality over time and we're relatively in kind of a dark
[00:56:40] age. Um anybody that knows about the Yugas, Mhm.
[00:56:43] it's been charted for a long time, the rise and fall of intelligence and spiritual capability having something to do with the stars that I don't entirely understand. But during those times where it's more electrically conducive, it's sort of
[00:56:56] like when we go out of spring and into I mean out of uh winter and into spring, suddenly these blossoms start blossoming. In the human race, these strange blossoms or popcorn kernels that start popping are human beings on the nervous systems. And in the West for
[00:57:10] some reason, it seems like we might be undergoing a collective awakening, like a puberty. You know, puberty for a lot of people hits you totally out of the blue and you don't know what's happening until after it's happened and suddenly your interests and all these things are
[00:57:23] completely different because you've just gone through puberty and now suddenly you have this biological imperative that wasn't there before.
[00:57:29] So, um it reminds me of there's this interesting story in the Bible Nebuchadnezzar uh was told by one of his advisers that his throne was going to be usurped by firstborn that was about to be born. And so Nebuchadnezzar was so scared of holding
[00:57:44] on to his power that he ordered all the firstborns of the country to be killed.
[00:57:49] And I'm wondering if this inevitable onset of of Kundalini in our culture is actively being suppressed and right at this time where we're all coming online suddenly this big global thing happens where everybody has to go and get a bunch of shots for this thing
[00:58:07] that does tend to seems to suppress that activity just like drinking a bunch of you know soda I won't mention a brand but any kind of soda that has all kinds of processed corporate foods have these chemicals that specifically neuter castrate your spiritual apparatus
[00:58:25] it calcifies the pineal gland kill the magnetic fields.
[00:58:29] Alcohol does that too by the way. So anyway there are this is sort of like it's almost as if there is an industrial war or an active effort to keep us all from going through this transition and a few people have gone through it already and that's how we know it's coming but
[00:58:44] it does seem to be some force or interest that has removed this information from our books from our culture and why aren't we allowed to know about this thing that is literally the most important thing that can happen to someone.
[00:59:01] I feel like I bought an eight timer.
[00:59:01] I bought an eight timer by the way.
[00:59:05] Wow.
[00:59:05] I I have a question just so a lot is mentioned in the series about lighting the lamp activating the third eye so like for this process on a very basic level stuff that we could do in terms of everyday visualization stuff like that like how can people get get going in that
[00:59:26] direction.
[00:59:29] Um what Xavier said, there's a really interesting bit of protocols. Um I personally love this guy, Mantak Chia, who wrote a book called Cultivating Male Sexuality. And it's all about how if you think of yourself as a battery, Brad I'm should talk about this in a minute. Brad
[00:59:44] came up with an ingenious metaphor that like the car, you need gasoline, you need oil, and you need a spark to create ignition.
[00:59:51] So, the big part of starting a car is your battery has to be charged. And so, the first step in approaching a Kundalini thing, charge your battery by withholding your sexual energy. And if you can do it for a month, especially if you can do it for 3 months, you suddenly
[01:00:06] have this full battery that's waiting for a spark. And if you can get this thing to ignite, then that is the Kundalini process.
[01:00:13] Uh and it's uh it's the ultimate aspiration of yoga. So, if you really want to do it the traditional way, you can go to a yoga class. You got to find a real yoga teacher that's advanced enough, which might be a bit of a challenge. And you may end up having to
[01:00:25] go to India. A lot of Kundalini people end up moving to uh India because it's you know, it's it's a lot more respected tradition there. Brad, uh wasn't that thing you Brad had an amazing metaphor of gas, oil, and spark that were all necessary
[01:00:38] components for the ignition of Kundalini.
[01:00:41] Yeah, and I well, I think too like um one of the the the main things that I learned in this in my own little research project here was that um again, this this whole the necessity of the the quality of the physiology of the body, the sort of the this ocean of
[01:00:57] fluids that's in our body, the sea, you know, these these rivers, these this fluidity. Um if you can purify and refine that fluid, um you are going to have a richer uh fuel that bathes the brain inside and out. And it also waters the garden.
[01:01:14] There's that story in the Bible about a river that goes out of the Garden of Eden and it becomes four heads. If you look at the I think it's the gray matter going down the spinal cord. It has these four doors It has four heads. There's two dorsal heads and there's two other
[01:01:25] They look kind of like a four-leaf clover, but it my opinion, that's what what that passage in the Bible is talking about, this river that goes out and waters the body. That's the brainstem that goes out of your uh you know, out of your the bottom of your brain and goes into
[01:01:39] this nervous system in your whole body and it waters this whole thing.
[01:01:43] So, there's this idea that if you can refine the physiology of the body, you will get this better fuel. And and uh what these Daoist in China were doing, which um Joseph Needham, who was a uh famous British scientist who wrote this whole book on
[01:01:59] one of his books on on this subject about what uh these Daoist in China were doing is that they were constantly kind of refining the fluid of the body over and cycling it through through the body. And some of that has to deal with uh sexual fluids and that sort of thing.
[01:02:13] But on a on a much sort of more basic scale there's this whole story of virtue versus vice. And And the stories of the seven deadly sins, you know, that when you give in to want and desire hormones are released from your endocrine glands and they go into the bloodstream and
[01:02:30] that kind of taints the bloodstream. It taints the fuel of of of your body. So, there's all these works of art of of Hercules at the crossroads between virtue and vice and these different artists who have to who have depicted it.
[01:02:41] But these stories are also found in in different mythological and religious tales and people often times associate them with morality, that you know, you should be a good person and you shouldn't give in to the seven deadly sins. You shouldn't give in to lust and
[01:02:52] greed and and sloth and envy and pride because you want to be a good moral person and that's going to get you to heaven, right?
[01:03:00] But if you take away if you don't focus that on on on morality and you understand that when you give in to desire, when you give in to your wants, when you give in to greed and you when you give in to sexual lust, when you give in to all these things, it alters
[01:03:12] the physiology of your body. And so, part of the practice was not so much the retention of sexual fluids, but it was controlling, being in control of the kingdom of yourself, being in control.
[01:03:24] That's sort of why the Egyptians had this unique Every pharaoh had to unify upper and lower Egypt. They had to be the king of the kingdom. And that's not so much about a literal kingdom or a little geography. It's about the individual that if you are in control of
[01:03:38] the kingdom of your body and you don't allow your emotions to control you, don't allow yourself to go into anger, you don't allow yourself to go into extreme states of, you know, the opposite end of extreme ecstatic and happiness and and you are balanced,
[01:03:51] that that is going to change the physiological makeup of your body and it's not just about morals and being a good person and going to heaven and not being a, you know, a a little devil and and being a devious little person who gives in to all your wants and
[01:04:02] desires.
[01:04:04] Obviously, you'll be a better person if you follow those for for the morality aspect, but there is this whole notion that you have to kind of be in control of of those emotions and those states because they release hormones from the endocrine glands. It release when you
[01:04:20] get like I said, think about like a crime of passion. You can kill somebody in the heat of passion or you or, you know, when you're lusting for somebody, you you know, you you you hit your part your heart's pumping with blood. These things are happening. When you're in
[01:04:30] states of fear, you know, you know, adrenaline is being released and and all these things are being released into the bloodstream.
[01:04:35] So, what people that are adepts figured out was that there was a way to control the physiology of the body. And it's sort of kind of what Wim Hof is is is is sort of doing, you know. Um, so, for the average person and then you talk about in a day-to-day existence
[01:04:51] who's going to work and sitting in traffic and going to a job and they have kids and they have they live in this world the world we all live in that's we're surrounded by distraction and noises and all these things. I think it's really hard for modern people to to
[01:05:03] try and get to these states that our ancestors got to. And and even I listened to the podcast a little bit that you did, Xavier, with Wim. And he was saying like, you know, because of what he's figured out, you can access these states without having to go
[01:05:14] through all the hard work that all these ancient sages and adepts did. And I would challenge him a little bit on that because we don't know what the states were that they got to. And then if he's achieving the same level as they did. So, I don't think there's
[01:05:26] necessarily a quick fix to this. I think you do all of the sort of mystery school traditions and these esoteric traditions, it's about discipline and it's about hard work. It's one of the reasons why I'm not trying to do this myself. I have no discipline. I like
[01:05:38] being a hedonist. I like giving into all my wants and my desires. Um so, for the people who really truly would want to pursue this, you know, that's why there's monks that they remove themselves from society and they go to a monastery in the mountains and they
[01:05:52] don't surround they make sure that they're not surrounded by any of these temptations and they spend like 12 hours meditating and you know, and they do this and they do the work, you know, so for the average person, you could probably sit quietly in your home and
[01:06:04] have progress and do some sort of yoga, some sort of meditation and visualizations and it will of course benefit you. You know, everybody who would go to if you went to the gym every day and just exercised to some degree, it's going to benefit you, you know, but
[01:06:17] you're not training the way that say Olympic athletes are training, you know, so it's not to say that people shouldn't do the work cuz anything you do is going to benefit you and it's going to help you, but again, I think that the priestcraft of these ancient
[01:06:29] civilizations and stuff like that were like the Olympic athletes of consciousness and they devoted their entire existence to this and they and they they they were wholly disciplined on it and they didn't have all the distractions of the modern
[01:06:40] world.
[01:06:41] Um they had distractions from their own time the same way that human beings, you know, cuz we're still human beings.
[01:06:46] But I think I think it's one of the things about this that it's it's something that's available to people um but just like any skill set out there is that there's going to be a level of people that are not only naturally inclined and have natural abilities, but
[01:06:59] have the ambition and the and the discipline to to really seek this stuff out, you know, but for the average person, you can do all kinds of things that will benefit you and and and make and and get you further along the way, you know? But, it's
[01:07:13] you know, I said it's it's it's it's one of those things where I think a lot of people want to achieve spiritual enlightenment immediately, you know, they want to they want to get there quickly and they want to have it happen and they want to say, "Me, too. I I
[01:07:22] reached the mountaintop. I saw the light and I saw these things." And they're super quick to want to find like the the way to get there, but I think the true adepts and the true sages got there through the long, narrow path that's real difficult to stay on. You're going to
[01:07:36] fall off it, you know? So, they it's a it's a discipline school for for for the people who really want to truly seek the the peak of the mountaintop.
[01:07:47] It might also have to do with the work you did in a previous life that it might be you have to work on this for four or five successive incarnations before uh something happens that you kind of prime the pump. Um by the way, in the 1800s, like right now, it's
[01:08:02] really hard to find actual explicit books about the diencephalon and how to open the third eye. But, in the 1800s, it was an absolute renaissance of this information. And one of the things that happened when the collapse in the '30s and all the old school books were
[01:08:18] withdrawn and they were replaced by these new kind of {quote} {unquote} sanctioned school books, a lot of uh esotericism and occultism absolutely weeded out of society in this moment when all the school books changed over.
[01:08:32] Um and people don't know the story. In the Depression, the schools were all failing. And so, one of the moneyed people, Rockefeller, Rothschild, I think it was Rockefeller, went to all the schools and said, "If you teach out of our books, then we'll bail you out and
[01:08:44] we'll help you through the Depression.
[01:08:45] And if you want to stick with your, you know, your occult-y, homemade folksy uh stuff, good luck to you. Uh we're not going to give you any money." But, anyway, through a in a very short period of time, school books all changed out to these new school books that had a
[01:08:59] modified history and absolute um, expungement, expulsion, uh uh, erasing of all of these occult traditions. But, if you're interested, look at some of those because on the internet now, you can get digital copies of these books from the 1800s.
[01:09:14] I have a couple of things that just it seemed forbidden. It feels like it's wrong to even own these books cuz they're so explicit. And for some reason, um, Brad and I often joke about the fact that every time this knowledge gets out into the public arena,
[01:09:26] civilization has to be destroyed and started over again, like running a program over and over again.
[01:09:32] We have to start again without this knowledge. And, um, it does seem like it was actively withdrawn from our society. But, now you can get you can get some of those old books from the 1800s. Brad has a has given me a great reading list of things
[01:09:45] he's discovered where they're quite explicit about these things. And just it's an interesting story that they've all been withdrawn. And they just weren't very good at completely withdrawing it. I feel like you can only talk about these things when there's no
[01:09:57] gatekeepers around it because of all the other really active misinformation and social reshaping that's happening right now. All the gatekeepers that used to protect this stuff and would shoot people like me and Brad down and our, you know, our mentors, John West and
[01:10:12] Swallow the Leader.
[01:10:13] There's this vigilant, active resistance to this knowledge being disseminated in public. But, all of a sudden, there's this new big lie that everyone's involved in and there's, you know, there's so many different kinds of propaganda being spread right now that
[01:10:24] the gatekeepers seem to be distracted and we're able to sneak the football through the goals during this moment where all the gatekeepers were distracted. And so, we're trying to bring these traditions back. But, for people who really want to
[01:10:35] feast on this stuff, go back and look at occult and esoteric, um, books and teachings from the 1800s. Manly P. Hall, uh, and the the PRS, Philosophical Research Institute, is a fantastic source for some of these old forbidden books. And they're quite explicit. So, if you're
[01:10:53] really interested, take a trip through the, um, Manly P. Hall library and you'll find quite a lot um quite a lot of very explicit instruction.
[01:11:04] You know that that point when you're watching like a horror movie and and and there's this there's this moment like there where this guy comes in and he kind of warns the people that are going moving forward. They're like he gives them this big fat warning. You
[01:11:18] know that moment? This is that moment.
[01:11:21] So if you're if you've listened so far and you think Kundalini is some sort of a magic pill, it is not and I would highly highly recommend that you do not pursue this path unless you're you're ready to do that. Like you're ready to accept the the weight of what Kundalini
[01:11:39] brings and it's it's hard to say exactly what that will be for you and your path and it's different for everyone but um it's it's not it's it's not a game. It's not a toy and and a huge huge It's a one-way turnstile and once you walk through it, you can't walk back.
[01:11:58] it.
[01:11:59] And I mean it just a huge cautionary note. I I really think I feel like I feel like it would be better off at least in my experience like if if I was like a 50-year-old man I had everything settled in my life before everything was just opened the the psychic doors of of
[01:12:15] perception were opened for me and blasted open. I was like you know like a rocket ship.
[01:12:21] And and I I I wasn't I was not ready. It was not ready for it and you know I've learned to live with it now and I can I can feel my Kundalini right now, you know and there there is a very there is a very romantic sort of notion about connecting with that part of
[01:12:37] yourself and but there is there is no easy path to enlightenment as as the Buddhist say like you know before enlightenment chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.
[01:12:49] So yeah, you know I I'm I'm I'm grateful for both you and Brad and your work and especially on Kundalini and um you know, there there's so much to be said and there's there was something that I noticed you covered that you guys covered in the third the third season
[01:13:07] which was that this is not just reflected in Egypt. Like there there seems to be this this regard to this sacred knowledge throughout many cultures all over the planet that they're covering this in their own little way. They're they're kind of
[01:13:25] flexing their their sort of spiritual, you know, and connection to reality. So, so I mean, what's your perspective on this, Brad? Chance, what do you think?
[01:13:36] Well, Chance and I have have talked about this before and I think um you know, some of the people who are Magical Egypt fans were maybe not necessarily turned off but a little confused when when some of the episodes left Egypt and, you know, uh started
[01:13:50] going to to Thailand and Angkor Wat and places like that and and you know, I think the the more that you look at I know for myself, Egypt was sort of a jumping off point and, you know, you look at that and then you start seeing these these things everywhere and then
[01:14:04] it's so it it starts becoming not just so much about Egypt. It it starts becoming about human beings and it just starts becoming about this recurring theme that you see in all human civilizations throughout time and so it it is it's Egypt is certainly
[01:14:20] fascinating and and and has this this hold and and this this mystery and all this stuff to it and it's a great place to start. But once you're there, you start seeing the things that you saw in Egypt, you start seeing them elsewhere and you're like,
[01:14:31] all right, this this isn't just about Egypt anymore. This is about human beings, you know, it's it's about, you know, that the missing link is is us, you know, it's it's that this is a unifying aspect of of of humanity and that's been my interest in
[01:14:45] this the whole time is trying to show what human beings have known as a species about consciousness and higher states of consciousness throughout time regardless of what civilization, what time, what whatever whatever was happening.
[01:14:58] Just trying to take a a larger scope holistic look at what do what have human beings um shown what have they known about consciousness and what have they how have they shown it in their artwork and their in their in their architecture and their mythology and their religious
[01:15:13] scriptures and stuff like that. So, it becomes this it becomes so much bigger than just Egypt.
[01:15:20] There was a um part of the show. Yeah, interesting.
[01:15:24] Yeah, what Brad said was absolutely true. If people were wondering why um is Magical Egypt now looking at cultures other than Egypt. And one of the things that is a big part of any research into ancient Egypt. I'm surprised more people haven't cottoned on to this that Egypt
[01:15:39] happened so long ago and there's so much about it that we literally have no idea.
[01:15:42] I mean, we barely read the writing. And if anybody who's ever read the Wallace Budge translation of Egyptian uh hieroglyphs, it's nonsense. 90% absolute gibberish and nonsense. And it's not that the Egyptians were idiots and they talked in gibberish. It's just we don't
[01:15:56] understand how to read what they were saying.
[01:15:58] And so a lot of that would have forever been a mystery because it's like reading a book with lots of pages torn out. But then you find out that if you go to the Vedic uh cultures, the ancient you know, Hindu culture stretches back as far as
[01:16:10] Egypt. And um Hinduism at some point kind of transitioned into Buddhism. So, at the Temple of Angkor Wat, it's been there for so long that it started out as a Buddhist temple and you can gradually see um the changeover to the uh Buddhist deities rather than the But what's
[01:16:24] interesting about both of them is that they aren't really a religion like we think about. It's a science or you know, if you understand that word the Tao, it's a system of rules that will help you get through life or a sort of working in conjunction with the order of
[01:16:37] the universe.
[01:16:38] And what's really interesting is that there's so much we can't know about Egypt, but once you understand that they're all talking about the same thing.
[01:16:46] Another interesting point about why don't we get to know about this? It seems like all the old cultures worship this exact thing, and they all use the same cluster of symbols. They also They all use a risen snake, the symbol of the third eye, and usually triangles, you
[01:16:59] know, to denote a holy trinity. And so you can go to India, you can go to Buddhism, you can go to all these different cultures, and you see the exact same kundalini stories being told, and the art direction's a little different, but because they all use
[01:17:10] these visual symbols, it's translingual.
[01:17:12] So you don't need to speak ancient, you know, Indian, or you don't need to speak, you know, early Asian languages.
[01:17:18] The thing itself, the hieroglyphs and the symbols were created to speak to you translingually.
[01:17:24] Um from the right brain to the right brain of the recipient. Your right brain works in images and associations. It doesn't even do language. So if you really wanted to speak to the right brain of someone, or speak across time, in a way that was bigger than language, you would
[01:17:38] use these symbols. And so what we realized is that there's all these missing things in Egypt that you can just go to ancient Hindu Vedic lore, or there's this amazing temple Angkor Wat, which is this just a literally a visual expression of the principles of
[01:17:53] Hinduism.
[01:17:55] And it is full of all this symbolism, in particular the nagas. The nagas are these magical snakes, just like the risen cobra. The nagas represent the flow of vitality through these like through your veins, but also the flow of vitality through the earth as telluric
[01:18:08] energy.
[01:18:10] They're associated with fertility, they're associated with water. And everything that you say about the nagas is what they say about the ida and pingala, these two snakes that are the channels that your kundalini rises from.
[01:18:19] And of course there's sushumna in the middle. So, when you go to Angkor Wat, it's a giant sculpture that's like a 3D book that teaches you about the kundalini process.
[01:18:28] Also interesting at Angkor Wat is this story of devas and asuras, and it's basically this war between angels and demons.
[01:18:36] And it is an amazing and it's an allegory that'll make your hair stand up because what the story was is that deva the asuras the demons used magic to make the devas to make the angels forget who they were. They gave them amnesia and they lost their identity and they forgot that
[01:18:54] they were divine beings and they thought they were powerless to resist the horrible whims of the of the demons.
[01:19:01] And eventually the story writes itself because Vishnu comes down and removes the spell so they remember who they were and they can resume their timeless battle against evil. I've never heard a more touching it almost makes me want to cry talking
[01:19:14] about it. We are the angels. We are the devas and we've been tricked magically a spell cast on us so we don't remember our divinity and that's why I think maybe we live in a culture that's keeping us from remembering we are not chumps we're not slaves we're
[01:19:32] angels but we're under the guy under the control of these devils these demons and they are preventing us from remembering who we are so that we don't remember to tap into this power that we have that could destroy the enemy interesting legends about Kundalini being a weapon
[01:19:50] in in some cultures that it was this fearsome fearsome psychic weapon and that might be another reason why it's suppressed today because people who took the Kundalini practice far enough could actually do those Harry Potter energy weapon things but it was fearsome like
[01:20:05] an atom bomb and it could get out of control and wipe out your army and their army if you weren't really tight with your practice and so uh fascinating fascinating lore and it bears out that that thing we need to remember who we are and we need to
[01:20:21] reconnect with our power. So anyway if you look at Buddhist culture if you look at the structure of stupas in the eastern uh eastern architecture they use these same principles And and the Mayans, by the way, and the Chinese um ancient ancient cultures, they all have
[01:20:38] these same obsession with building temples with astrological alignments.
[01:20:42] The temples themselves are the books.
[01:20:44] And the story that these books communicate is the story of Kundalini.
[01:20:47] Even the Aztecs and Mayans have all these stories of are these um statues that show a person with their head tied together like union. Yoga, by the way, means union. The union of your left and right hemispheres to activate your third eye.
[01:21:00] That and the Kundalini symbolism is present with slight changes in art direction in literally every ancient culture. So, once again, it makes you wonder who the demons are that are keeping us from remembering this thing about ourselves.
[01:21:14] I think I think too the you know, to go to this idea that that that story that Chance is talking about at Angkor Wat, the churning of the ocean of milk story, is the Asuras and the Devas are in a tug-of-war between on and on either side. And the and and you see this
[01:21:27] symbolism all the time. And again, this is virtue versus vice. On the very basic level, it's the angel on one of your shoulder, the devil on your other shoulder. And you see this symbolism time and time again. And you see it in Egypt in the statue that Chance has
[01:21:40] shown often in in magical Egypt. It's such a we've talked about before, it's such a perfect example of this where Horus is on one side of the pharaoh and Set is on the other. And they both have their hand on one side of his head.
[01:21:50] Um and this is this idea of the balance of these two sides, this balance of of virtue and vice. And the other recurring themes that you also see across cultures and civilizations is you go to the esoteric sects of um of any civilization, if it's you know,
[01:22:05] like Mahayana Buddhists, you know, or if it's the Dzogchen in Tibet, or the Gnostics, or you have the Brethren of Purity uh in Islam, or you have um the Zhuangzi. I don't know if I'm saying that right, but it's it's in in China it was the school of dark learning. Um
[01:22:23] They're all seeking the same thing.
[01:22:24] They're all seeking wisdom. They're all seeking, you know, Veda means to know, Rishi means seer, you know, uh gnostic, gnosis, this idea of knowledge. So, you you constantly see that at the at these these small groups that were disciplined in seeking out these
[01:22:38] philosopher sages um were seeking out wisdom. They were seeking truth. And sometimes they would talk about being connected to that truth as being connected to God. And God was sort of this ultimate truth. But again, that would just be sort of a way to describe
[01:22:50] the ineffable thing that happens when you're face-to-face with knowing or or gnosis or that sort of thing. So, and when you look at all of those those these different sects of of esoteric study, they all have sort of the same themes again. They have these stories of
[01:23:05] rebirth of some sort of ritual which involves a purification ritual. It involves going into some sort of deprivation, some sort of psychedelic brew, and then they are reborn. And and they come out of that experience, you know, like you guys were talking about
[01:23:18] Kundalini being a one-way turnstile.
[01:23:20] It's it's it's that idea of the Egyptian pyramids, you know, they're not a tomb, but they are in a in a figurative sense.
[01:23:28] They're a tomb for your previous self when you go in that when you go through that turnstile. And then when you come through the other side, you are born again with the rising sun after this experience that you had. You know, so this idea of purification and rebirth in
[01:23:42] order to get to states of knowing.
[01:23:45] It in my study through this, you just find it all over the place. You just keep seeing it all the time. So, whatever these small groups of people were that were the philosophers of their time and age, they all kind of came to the same realizations and the same conclusions,
[01:23:58] which is they're all seeking wisdom.
[01:24:00] They're all seeking sophia. And and that they all have the similar description of this idea of becoming face-to-face with gnosis or knowing and associating it with light. You know, talk about lighting the lamp. There's something that happens
[01:24:15] in the mind that has to do with some sort of process of light, some sort of bioelectricity, something that is going on that that is associated with and symbolic of of of knowing, you know, and that this is Moses' face shines like the sun and
[01:24:30] Buddha is the light of the world, you know, there's there's this all this association with light and enlightenment, the light in the mind, you know, so there is some sort of scientific physiological thing going on in the brain and if you look through the
[01:24:44] recurring thread throughout human civilizations is that all these different groups got to the same place. They were all seeking Ma'at, you know, the Egyptian goddess of truth. They were all seeking Sophia. They were seeking wisdom and truth and and and they seems like they
[01:24:58] figured out how to do that.
[01:25:05] Yeah, like Born by Fire uh was I thought and I loved the visuals um especially the overlays from um the structures in the temples to the human body, I think was a very powerful way to explain it. And Chance, you also mentioned reincarnation.
[01:25:22] Um did do you think that the Egyptians had more of a knowledge of the process that would go into reincarnation, the afterlife, and like the point of reincarnation? Did they see it as like being stuck in it or a way that there was able to be progressing through
[01:25:38] reincarnation to go through the next step?
[01:25:42] There's a really interesting thing about ancient Egypt that ancient Egypt is one of the few cultures that actually didn't believe in reincarnation. They were all about living this life correctly.
[01:25:54] If you did, you had one lifetime to build this sort of spaceship inside of you, a merkaba, to um that is they talked about it as a solar boat that after you die, your consciousness moves into this vehicle that travels with the stars and lives forever and could possibly
[01:26:09] rule in the next life. But uh and then if you didn't make it, you were uh literally destroyed, like your soul was given to an animal that eats your soul.
[01:26:18] Crocodile. So, a very strange and brutal set of beliefs. And it's the one way where Egypt kind of differs from the Vedic cultures and the Buddhist cultures where reincarnation I have to say I'm on the side of Plato with this that our show is
[01:26:34] an example of something Plato called anamnesis where in in his thinking, if you've lived through this succession of lives, and it may be hundreds of thousands of lives, there's some part of you that remembers everything that happened to you, but
[01:26:47] it's sort of partitioned away from your conscious mind. So, every once in a while under extreme conditions like Kundalini or drugs, you can tap into this knowledge that you've learned from hundreds of thousands of lifetimes. I was talking to Xavier that after my
[01:27:01] Kundalini experience, I just tapped into what must have been several lifetimes worth of um musical ability of playing guitar and stuff cuz I'm lazy and I don't work for anything that hard, but after my Kundalini experience, I just had this aptitude with guitar and I could play in
[01:27:16] a bunch of different styles that I'd never practiced. I had no reason to know how to do them. So, it does seem to be that under unusual circumstances, you can connect with the things you've learned in previous lives. So, Plato's idea of anamnesis is that you have this
[01:27:29] unbelievable wisdom of all the lessons you've learned and all the data you've learned over your hundreds of thousands of lives.
[01:27:36] And that certain people can either tap into it or even if you don't consciously acknowledge it, when you hear somebody talking about something, kind of Xavier and I got together this way. Brag and I got together this way. You hear the vibration or you hear certain words or
[01:27:48] images. Possibly the reason why people are so interested in Egypt is that we all remember seeing this iconography.
[01:27:54] Like it's one of the few things that's been around thousands of years. So, maybe 200 of your previous lives you've been looking at these symbols and looking at these structures and there's certain things that were so important to you last time or that will
[01:28:05] be so important to you next time that for reasons that you can't put into words, some part of your brain goes, "Oh yeah, pay attention to this. You're going to need to know this. This is important." And that's the voice of your anamnesis that's normally kept from you,
[01:28:16] but during critical moments of your life, it'll tap you on the shoulder and go, "Hey, uh pay attention to what he's saying cuz that's um the next part of your life is going to involve this information."
[01:28:25] So, we see it with beautiful art, but we see it especially see it with old mystery iconography, old symbols from the occult, the tarot, and and ancient Egypt is this giant talisman of occult knowledge and occult practice, frankly.
[01:28:38] And so, we a lot of people have this unreasonably weird and intense attraction to it. And it very well be might be that um that is that phenomenon that you get these little leaks. You suddenly remember things or objects or events or symbols or people from our previous
[01:28:54] incarnations.
[01:29:00] I'm loving this, guys. I mean, I think everyone else everyone listening right now is absolutely in just just uh it's oozing there how much they love this.
[01:29:06] So, this has been This is great. Um and we've got we've got about 30 minutes left. So, I just want to bring it down back down to Earth a little bit. And just just remind you guys, you know, let's let's start to wrap this together, wrap this into a nice little bow for for
[01:29:20] the people. Actually, let me let me take this a little bit backwards, you know, let's let's let's go back um and and talk about one of the predynastic structures. Um it's a little bit difficult to explain just via audio and but but the the Nabta
[01:29:35] Playa I mean, this this is pro this this that you covered you guys covered was so fascinating to me that this, you know, the the like what, 30,000, 40,000 years old? And And it it's able to It's like this rock calendar, but it's also it it's also like astronomically
[01:29:57] accurate. And it even you can even measure They even knew I mean, we're told that the ancients were like, you know, like like like dumb, but no, they even knew the exact distance to the nearest to the light-year of the nearest star in in in our galaxy from from where
[01:30:16] we are. So, you know, what what was going on here? I mean, Brad, Chance, like what do you guys think?
[01:30:24] How did this happen? How did, you know, how did we how do we get from a point of knowing so much to where we are now?
[01:30:34] I'll tell you what, let me let me jump in real fast cuz I know you can like that's that's season one, so that's that'll be something more that that Chance can can speak to in greater detail with, but I would the only thing I would add to that is
[01:30:45] it's something that people have said before, but I think it's something that is important is that um when you don't have television, you know, you just and the the sun goes down and you're still awake and that night sky comes out, uh what what do we all
[01:30:59] do? Whenever you go camping and you're sitting under the stars, uh you start thinking about things. You start looking up at the sky. You start thinking about, you know, you know, the earth and and eternity and not eternity, but infinity and distances and you start
[01:31:13] thinking about all these looking up into the night sky causes this great contemplation. And so, when, you know, here in the Pacific Northwest, it gets dark at this time of year at like 4:00, you know, so um you had this this you know, we all have
[01:31:26] this distractions and televisions and you know, even even the time of books and things that you could do to fill your time, but when you were you know, 4,000 years ago or whatever it was, 6,000 years ago, what what did you have but your own mind and your own
[01:31:40] contemplation to be under the stars and to really think about this stuff. So, I think that's a interesting basic component to to this stuff, but um like I think Chance could probably speak much more about the the what you were talking about from
[01:31:52] season one.
[01:31:54] Can and will.
[01:31:56] The thing that Jamie was talking about is this amazing structure in Egypt, but it's in it's in a part of Egypt that traditional Egyptologists won't even bother going to cuz what they say was this was arid desert for at least the last 15 to 20,000 years. So, we're not
[01:32:11] even going to bother looking at it or entertaining anybody's ideas that have to do with this because we just know uh and we're satisfied with the fact that there was nothing here and nothing could live here. And a lot of Egyptologists aren't geologists, so they don't realize
[01:32:25] that the climate has completely changed and that Egypt used to be a fertile savanna. Used to be green and lush before the ice age.
[01:32:33] And so, there's this place called Nabta Playa and it's in this strange part of the desert that looks like the surface of Mars. If you had to hoax the Mars landing, Nabta Playa would be a great place to do it because it looks like the surface of Mars.
[01:32:45] It's so old and it's so weather-beaten, but there's this little Stonehenge out there. And Egyptologists won't even address it, but it's there and it's super old and it's documented from like as early as people have been visiting Egypt. Sometimes you have to go through
[01:32:57] this desert to get to the cool stuff in Egypt. So, people have been noticing this for a while, but it's a little Stonehenge and if you but it's spread out over like a big area.
[01:33:09] And if you stand in the central circle that's a viewing circle, then you have these posts that are out in the desert.
[01:33:15] And there's hundreds of them, but in particular there's three primary ones that I guess if you like would were to light a little fire on top of this post and you were looking as the sun went down, these three posts in particular point to the place on the horizon where
[01:33:29] the three stars in Orion's Belt will rise.
[01:33:33] Which is pretty cool and it's all aligned so that you can kind of tell the first day of the year cuz when the three stars of Orion's Belt align and they're exactly aligned with these posts, you know that you're on the the first day of the year.
[01:33:44] But, what's more interesting is when they first start studying this, they couldn't figure out each of the posts is different distances away from you, away from the viewing circle.
[01:33:53] And so, in Magical Egypt season 1, there's this character Thomas Brophy who used to work at NASA, amazing big brain um mathema- mathematician. He does satellite trajectories and that incredibly difficult math about how to catch the orbital field of this planet
[01:34:09] and slingshot to that planet. So, the guy has a big brain. His head physically is like way too big for his body. He's like a weird little doll, like a giant infant because his brain is so big. The strangest thing I've ever seen.
[01:34:20] Anyway, so um he um hates the idea of UFOs and he he got so mad at me for suggesting Oh, so here's the point. I'm sorry. I I forgot the most important point. These posts, they're away from you at different distances. They point to a star and then the distance on the ground
[01:34:37] to this post tells you in light years how far the star is away. So, if you go to NASA, the Hipparcos website at NASA, they'll tell you the um the three stars of Orion's belt, Alnitak, Alnilam, and Betelgeuse.
[01:34:51] Mhm.
[01:34:51] Um man, pulled that out of the archives.
[01:34:53] Those are all covered in cobwebs.
[01:34:55] But anyway, the distance on the ground is the actual distance to those stars.
[01:34:59] And when you look at NASA, it'll say 25 light years with a standard deviation of five, like give or take five light years. On Egypt, it's like, nope, 26.2.
[01:35:09] It's like more accurate than NASA has been able to uh to measure. And so to me, uh oh, and also under the map to fly, I'm not sure um uh if you saw this part, but under the sand, there's all of these carved discs and they look for all the world like they're maps of our Milky
[01:35:26] Way galaxy and they show lines, almost like bus lines, connecting different planets in the I mean, it is the strangest thing in the world. This guy, Thomas Brophy, that made these discoveries, is so careful to never mention aliens. He got really mad at me
[01:35:39] for suggesting how I mean, how would you know how far a star was away unless you came from there? That's some pretty sophisticated geometry to tell a star that far away. And how the three stars of the belt are um I mean, how would you know that they're all different
[01:35:52] distances from each other?
[01:35:54] And so, I right away went to this must be some kind of acknowledgement of something. And he just he got so mad at me. He would never let me mention aliens.
[01:36:03] Also, in our show, if you acknowledge the fact that there was a previous chapter of civilization before the one we know now, a pre- I I say civilization, that might well have lasted about 10 or 12,000 years, and possibly longer, think about where we've
[01:36:16] come from when we were in a horse and buggy in like what, 1700s or so, we were in a horse and buggy. And now, just 200 years later, we've got Harrier jets, we've got um you know, we've how much technology has advanced in the last 200 years. Imagine what a civilization would
[01:36:31] come up with if they were around for 12,000 years of uninterrupted scientific progress and and So, you don't necessarily need to say aliens helped them if you the premise of the show that we work from, uh which is really supported by the evidence,
[01:36:48] there was this previous chapter of civilization. And Graham calls it Graham calls Graham Hancock, our friend Graham Hancock, calls us a race with amnesia, that there's this whole previous chapter that we've forgotten, or that we're specifically made to forget, where all
[01:37:00] of this technology was developed. And it was developed along a different path. It wasn't towards external gadgets and metal and pistons, but it was a technology that focused on the mystery of consciousness, which is still largely a mystery to science today. So,
[01:37:12] it was a more advanced science, but it went in a different direction than modern science. So, frequently we don't recognize it as a science. But, if you had a informational birthright or legacy or a hand-me-down from a culture that lasted that long, a lot of the stuff
[01:37:27] that you would know would seem like it came from aliens. And I'm not saying I don't think there is such a thing as aliens, but that show Ancient Aliens really did a disservice to the whole subject by saying everything was aliens, we're not smart enough to have done this
[01:37:41] themselves. And John West and a lot of really intelligent people have say this interesting thing that you're really just kicking the can farther down the road with aliens. And also, it keeps it in the material realm that if you know, material aliens came here and helped us
[01:37:55] with these things, uh one of the things like Brad keeps saying, there seems to have been access to technology that allowed your brain to tap into things. And maybe it was communication with disincarnate entities in another dimension that would
[01:38:09] leak into your head and give you these technological ideas. But I really quite like the idea that humans, you know, we're really clever. And our ability to figure things out is certainly unparalleled on Earth. Um but I really like the idea that if you
[01:38:24] acknowledge this previous chapter of civilization, it explains why Egypt was so advanced. It explains why the same idea and the same reverence and the same religion with only minor outer trappings existed all through the world from this previous um age. And that through legend
[01:38:39] and sometime, you know, through direct survivors of whatever cataclysm brought it to an end, that information informed Egypt and Mesopotamia, Sumeria, and ancient Vedic cultures. And the Vedic cultures are quite explicit about giant building-sized flying cars and the use
[01:38:54] of atomic weapons. And they don't pull any punches. They're quite explicit about this previous chapter and the amazing things that people were able to do. So, I um I actually knew Edgar Mitchell. I worked with Edgar Mitchell right before he died. And um
[01:39:07] and I got a chance to chat with him for a while. Edgar Mitchell, sixth man on the moon. Hard-ass. Man, he was not a humorous man. He was not a man that you joked around with. And if you're an astronaut, you are a hard-ass. You've been through that centripetal machine.
[01:39:20] You've been tortured in all these different ways.
[01:39:22] And and he's an engineer. He's a mathematician. He's an Like people don't focus on how incredibly educated these guys are. And they're tough as nails. Uh So, anyway, he was a no-nonsense guy.
[01:39:32] You don't mess around with him. You don't joke around with him. But I got to interact with him for a while. And uh interesting thing about Edgar, Edgar was born in Roswell, New Mexico. How crazy is that? He was born and raised in Roswell, New Mexico.
[01:39:44] So, when Edgar went up Oh, here's an interesting story, by the way, Xavier.
[01:39:46] Edgar um when he was coming back through the uh the belts, the Van Allen belt, and all those successive magnetic fields, he had a Kundalini experience.
[01:39:55] Wow.
[01:39:55] was smart enough not to tell anybody about it, but he wrote a book when he came home. So, he's Imagine you're an astronaut, you're in that little thing, assuming it wasn't all fake, but if you're an an astronaut, you're in this little machine, and you're coming back
[01:40:06] through these, and you have this absolute Kundalini experience. And he wrote about it extensively, and he would start crying whenever he talked about it, but he was aware that the individual cells in his body were conscious, and suddenly he was like, "It's just like
[01:40:18] billions of little people that were all there, and they have their own little lives and their emotions and feelings, and they have their own life, and they have their own consciousness." And he became aware of them like that was his universe, and he was the god of that
[01:40:28] universe. And that he had these series of epiphanies that we are literally star stuff, and all of these things. He actually went up, and he brought a bunch of psychic um test cards, and he was doing all these experiments with uh is consciousness different in space? Is it
[01:40:41] different outside of the fields?
[01:40:43] But anyway, that was an amazing thing that some people might not know is that Edgar Mitchell had this Kundalini experience, and completely changed his life. And when he came home, I guess there's good money in being an astronaut. When he came home, he had all
[01:40:54] this money, and he uh I wouldn't do it, but but um he used his considerable wealth forever after that. He started this thing called the uh called IONS, the Institute of Noetic Sciences.
[01:41:05] And I met him because he hired me and the beloved LeVar Burton. I don't know if you remember LeVar Burton from Sure. Yeah.
[01:41:11] So, anyway, LeVar and I LeVar was the on-camera host, and he and I were joined at the hip for about a year.
[01:41:16] Wow.
[01:41:17] And we had so much fun because it was just we were working on this thing on the behest of Edgar who devoted his entire life to trying to understand the Kundalini experience and the mysteries of consciousness that we can't get access to in the West. And so,
[01:41:29] I've never seen anybody with a more responsible use of income. Edgar like spent his I'm sure it wasn't his whole fortune, but a huge degree of his fortune, for the rest of his life trying to understand and study what the hell it was that happened to him up in space.
[01:41:43] Sort of like everybody who has a Kundalini experience, you tend to spend the rest of your life trying to figure out what the hell happened.
[01:41:49] Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it brings to mind um Timothy Leary's eight circuit model of consciousness, which I which I'm sure you guys know about and um he he talks about one of the circuits being just zero gravity as as triggering something that would um
[01:42:05] Wow.
[01:42:06] spark spark something within the human body that, you know, just kind of like clicks clicks this this thing into activating. So, it makes it gives a lot of credit to to what um Leary was was talking about there. That's that's phenomenal. Um
[01:42:23] Well, that would be the that would be the same premise as a float tank, too, is that you're supposed to sort of float the body so that you you you give this impression of your consciousness is that the body is has become still or it's floating and that triggers this
[01:42:38] higher state of consciousness, the same thing that's supposed to happen when you lay down at night to go to sleep. Um usually you just end up falling asleep, but you're supposed to enter a state of sleep paralysis and the body thinks, "Oh, I'm we're sleeping."
[01:42:49] And so, if you can stay awake during those moments, your consciousness can get to these higher states and I think that's basically the premise of the float tank would be a similar to zero gravity is that your body is now rendered sort of in a state of suspended
[01:43:01] animation.
[01:43:03] Okay, so I want to I want to get to some audience questions. Let's just just bear in mind the time. We've got about 17 minutes or so. So, uh BB, who says that Magical Egypt changed their life, um they they ask, "Why is there such an aversion to give Ancient
[01:43:21] Egypt its credit?"
[01:43:29] Hey, BB.
[01:43:29] Yeah. Hi, BB.
[01:43:31] BB's awesome. We've we've talked to Bibi in the past. Um Bibi asks asks such clear and focused questions that I end up using them as the basis for some of my scripts because she has such a She'd make a great detective. She has a very logical, inquisitive mind. And
[01:43:46] some of the questions she's asked has helped me clarify some of my thinking about ancient Egypt. Um I personally, for the reasons we've talked about, I really feel like in the industrial paradigm, the forces that be that make money off of us, the Machiavellian
[01:43:59] leaders of rulership that try to hold on to power, if you read the book Machiavelli, it's a handbook for how to hold on to power. And one of the great ways to make sure the population doesn't rise up against the people who are um ruling them or subjugating them,
[01:44:13] is you keep the people divided. And also you disempower them by removing their past and their sense of identity. It's the exact same story of the Devas and Asuras, that the angels were tricked into forgetting who they were.
[01:44:24] And then, you know, when the demons run the culture that has angels imprisoned, and they're only imprisoned as long as they don't know who they are, you can certainly understand a motivation for keeping away these things that point to the superpower that we all used to have
[01:44:36] and enjoy and aspire to.
[01:44:38] Um and that I really do believe that's it. Graham Hancock got banned from TED Talks by saying by observing that there was a war on consciousness. And the reason that psychedelics are illegal, the reason why you cannot talk about Kundalini on network television, um I
[01:44:53] worked at Fox for 25 years, and I was obsessed with Matt Groening. I used to stalk him and follow him around a lot and just listen to him talk and stuff.
[01:45:00] But I would hear him say there was there was times where Homer he would do something with Homer like Homer would get high.
[01:45:07] And the sensors would let Homer get high if he was an idiot after he got high, but there was an episode where Homer got high and he was really smart. The like the pot made him think better. And they censored that show. They wouldn't let that episode of The Simpsons air because
[01:45:20] you can talk about drugs, but you can't say there's beneficial aspects to drugs.
[01:45:23] And there just seems to be this curation of our reality that's very carefully withdrawn these things. Um I By the way, uh I'm reading a Peter Kingsley book right now that it's the human condition that there's something missing and we don't know what
[01:45:35] it is, but we all respond to these things that we think are going to fill this hole in us. And that hole literally is our knowledge of our past and these things that used to empower us that are now taken away and we don't even know what they are. We just feel the sense of
[01:45:48] emptiness.
[01:45:49] I think too to to BB's, what's the Peter Kingsley book, Chance?
[01:45:53] In the Dark Places of Wisdom. I can't Yeah, yeah.
[01:45:56] I figured I figured that was probably it. That's I got that one too. That's a good one for sure. Um Uh but to BB's question too, the thing that I had to Sorry, not answer that question, but to further confusion to it. Like I don't understand the
[01:46:09] arrogance and hubris of wanting to think that you come from a family tree of idiots. Like why you know, why why wouldn't you want to have come from a family tree of brilliant-minded people instead of saying like, "Well, they were so It's It's a basically to me like an
[01:46:21] arrogant teenager who thinks that their parents don't know anything." And you know, have no experience. You know, why would you want to come from a lineage of idiots. And I would much rather come from a lineage of a lineage of an ancestors who were
[01:46:34] brilliant. You know, I don't want to sit there and be like, "Yeah, those are my grandfather was a [ __ ] and I'm way smarter than him." You know, it's it's so strange to me that you want to that we want to try and keep our ancestors in this
[01:46:46] box of of of stupidity. And And And again, there's you know, a lot of modern human beings, we're not very bright, you know.
[01:46:54] Um it's so we're not talking about the whole group of people. We're talking about like any society. Like there's the intelligentsia, there's the people that are very intelligent, and then there's the [ __ ] masses that most of us fall into, right? So, it's not
[01:47:06] just like a whole state that the entire ancient Egypt civilization were all these brilliant-minded people, but I think the people that were making the temples and the priestcraft and the architects and the artists, those people were highly intelligent, you know.
[01:47:23] Okay. All right. Um so, here This is the last question that I'm going to take. Uh Sid asks, "I heard Chance mention a lot of musicians having Kundalini. Are there any that he can mention specifically, any musicians that you know of, Chance,
[01:47:33] Brad?" Not sure you mentioned that.
[01:47:36] I don't know. I don't know any.
[01:47:37] Okay.
[01:47:38] There are whole albums in the late 60s and early 70s, the whole psychedelic glam rock, there's another word for it.
[01:47:44] It just really complicated pretentious rock. There's a whole Genesis album.
[01:47:48] Gary Osborn turned me on to this. Uh, I'll I'll find this and I'll send it over to you so you you can post it if you want. Um, there were all of these albums that were specifically about the mystery of Kundalini and this transcendent experience. It was very tied up in the
[01:48:02] psychedelic culture of the 60s. So, um, uh, I'm trying to think of some people I know that are very overt about this.
[01:48:09] But, in some of the Jimmy Page songs, Robert Plant Robert Plant wrote the words to those, but like Kashmir, but in Genesis, there was a whole Genesis album, um, uh, if I'd have known this question was coming, I'd have boned up on this a little bit because it is really quite an
[01:48:24] extensive list of albums from the 60s that specifically focused on this transcendent experience that was missing from Western culture.
[01:48:32] For sure for sure. There's no There's absolutely no doubt about that. I mean, there is I think there's a period of time in in our society, Western society at least, where where we were focusing, you know, there was this sort of enlightenment mini enlightenment period.
[01:48:45] Definitely during the 60s when, you know, it was like sex, drugs, rock and roll. And now, you know, now I'm not sure where we are actually. Uh, it's it's uh it's a strange time to be alive. I I do think, you know, I do think we are sort of in the the middle
[01:49:00] of a a spiritual war between light and dark. And I do think that this is this is a very sacred thing that we're doing here with this show. And, you know, I'm I'm honored that to have you guys here.
[01:49:13] Astral, you too, man. Thank you so much for your help. And And Brad and Chance, you guys have just been amazing guests.
[01:49:19] Like I this is just we've covered so much in this way I mean it's been 2 hours, it flew by and uh I just I I loved every second. I I don't think I don't think we dropped, you know, the ball anywhere in this. It is just packed full of information and uh
[01:49:36] you know, I I I highly highly recommend the uh the Magical Egypt series. Go get over there. It is life-changing um and and I highly recommended it. It you know, it's funny there was this episode um on Kundalini. It started talking about Kundalini and I think in the second
[01:49:54] season and I I wasn't sure. I even I even texted Chance. I was like I was like, "Dude, I'm not sure what happened, but I think I had a vision because of either the series or talking to you. I'm not sure cuz they both happened like at the same
[01:50:09] time." And And you know, but I did feel like there was there was something, you know, bioelectrically happening to me as I was moving through the third season as well. Like just because it it's so it's it's so in-depth and you this the research there's so
[01:50:26] much research so much information. I mean, I actually had to breathe. Like I I it was like I mean, I told Chance this. I was like, "Dude, I I had to stop watching it and then go back over it again the second season cuz I just there was so much to
[01:50:44] take in that I was just, you know, I couldn't just watch it one time. I had to watch it twice." So, you know, any final thoughts, guys? Astral, do you have anything anything brewing there back there?
[01:51:00] Well, I was just extremely impressed with all of the um visuals, the speakers, everything that I saw about Magic Egypt was extremely impressive. I love the the everything that I've I've watched. Um I appreciate the discussion um and for having me on, man. I I I
[01:51:16] learned quite a bit quite a bit tonight.
[01:51:18] Thank you, guys.
[01:51:19] Thanks for being here.
[01:51:20] Good on you, Astro. I'm sorry we couldn't have heard from you more. Too bad we can't we'll spend the last 5 minutes with a free form guitar solo.
[01:51:27] All three of us will pick up our guitars and just mitigated guitar chaos for the last 5 minutes. We won't even play the same song. That'll be the best part.
[01:51:34] We'll all play separate songs at different times.
[01:51:37] Oh, I'm I'm always down for some music.
[01:51:38] Hey, feel free to jump over to Twitter.
[01:51:41] I think people would also love to hear from you guys a discussion.
[01:51:45] I hold a lot of spaces and stuff, but you know yeah.
[01:51:49] I'm sure you're going to do like a post show?
[01:51:52] Yeah, we could do that. Sure.
[01:51:53] No, I mean if you want to you're welcome to.
[01:51:56] Okay, okay. Cool. That I mean that sounds like it might be your jam. Um After party, yeah.
[01:52:01] And the after party.
[01:52:03] I'm not sure I'm not sure if Brad Brad or Chance are you guys are even on Twitter?
[01:52:07] No.
[01:52:07] I'm not.
[01:52:08] I don't even have an iPhone.
[01:52:11] I don't even have a phone. Okay, yeah, I figured I figured Chance is on a flip phone or something like that.
[01:52:17] Burners, baby.
[01:52:19] Okay, so you know, I love it, guys. I you know, like I said, I I'm honored to have you guys here and it was it was it's been some time that that that we've done a show like this and it just don't done live broadcast. So it you know, it put me
[01:52:34] into a a perspective of you know, really like kind of honing my craft and coming back and you know, I've spent a lot of time doing this show. Every single person that you guys mentioned in reference we've had on this program. So What an amazing list of guests you've
[01:52:49] had in a really remarkable set of guests.
[01:52:53] Oh, thanks, man. I mean I try. I put a lot of work into this show, but I'm really glad I'm really glad for it and and if there's if there's nothing else, I'm just going to I'm just going to leave it here. I'm I I'm going to end this show with you guys won't be able to
[01:53:08] see it, but I'm going to end it the show with a a visual from Magical Egypt. I added my own little audio to it, but it's it's it'll give you a taste of of the series.
[01:53:20] And I really hope Guys, where can people Brad Chance where can people go to find your work and support what you guys are doing because I highly recommend just buying the series and watching yourself if you want to absorb this information.
[01:53:32] But where can people go?
[01:53:33] you can magicalegypt.com.
[01:53:36] The show is available on streaming or available on DVD. The world is a nightmare to ship, so try to stream it.
[01:53:43] And as Xavier pointed out, we're not asking you to watch the show, we're only asking you to buy the show.
[01:53:49] That's a joke.
[01:53:51] But yeah, it's www.magicalegypt.com.
[01:53:54] And here's the thing, it's Black Friday sale until Christmas, so the whole series and every title that we have there is 50% off. So if you've been waiting to get your wisdom at a discount, now is a good time to do it.
[01:54:07] Very cool. Astral, is there is there something you want to promote? Your website, anything like that? Twitter, whatever.
[01:54:17] Yeah, theastral.com or you can find me on Twitter at theastral.
[01:54:20] All right, guys. I think I think that's a wrap. I mean, what a what a phenomenal, absolutely amazing show. I loved it.
[01:54:28] We are going to bounce out of here and like I said, I'm going to leave you guys with a very, very cool scene from the Magical Egypt series and and uh hope you guys like this. All right, have a great night. We'll see you guys next week.
[01:54:42] Good night.
[01:54:43] See you.