Episode #187 – Nathaniel Gillis – Good Vs. Evil, Demonology, Parapsychology and much much more!

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It was a very sacred day.

And so I spent a lot of the day just reflecting and meditating.

And I thought, and I looked around and I thought, what has happened?

What has happened to our relationship with each other?

What has happened to us as a species?

How did we get this way?

What has the last three years done to us to make us this way?

And ladies and gentlemen, it's important for us to take that back.

Take back our power.

And that power is through union.

Through a mutual understanding, a mutual respect.

A connectedness.

and understanding that we're all traversing this human experience together together

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feel that. But ladies and gentlemen, I have an ask, okay? Because Christmas is coming

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you to do something kind. I want you to go above and beyond for a complete and total stranger.

That's not too much to ask, is it? I don't think so.

So that's your homework for now. I'm going to end this monologue. I'm going to bring my

To the paranormal, parapsychological.

And my guest tonight, very interesting character, for sure.

the human experience is transcending the astral plane as we hunt demons with my guest

nathaniel gillis nathaniel gillis is an author and demonologist he spent over 20 years researching

the phenomena of haunting possession and what he calls high strangeness.

Nathaniel spent a decade in the deliverance ministry, but then later made the decision

to take what he learned and assert those teachings into helping those who needed his help.

Nathaniel, welcome to HXP.

thank you for having me and i'm glad to be with you guys and i'm looking forward to discussing

this this research i can't i can't wait um i know i know you're a little under the weather so we will

we're going to keep it a little short tonight and ladies and gentlemen nathaniel is such a gentleman

that he is you know he's not feeling that great he did not cancel he's not canceled you want to be

here for us tonight so yes sir that is that's that is the sign of a man who loves his work

okay so nathaniel i'm not going to ask you you've done so many of these interviews um probably i

mean hundreds of these interviews at this point i'm not gonna i'm gonna i'm not gonna ask you to

tell your story again let's just get right to the juice man let's go let's get right to let's get

a guy named Robert Bruce. He wrote a book called Astral Dynamics. I was fortunate enough to meet

him very early on. And, and we would talk about, um, you know, demons and stuff like that. And

that's something that would come up in conversation. And so, so we, you and I might have different

training, but, um, from what I understand, uh, demon comes from a word, uh, with the Latin root

daemon, which just means lesser god. But for you, what does this word mean, demon?

Well, a demon has various meanings and different origins. You know, there's what's called a

dialectical alomorph in linguistics. It basically means that you can have three or four different

words that have different spellings and different pronunciations, but they all basically have the

same meaning. Now, if you were to ask

anything to give us that, I would

suggest humbly that

what we're dealing with in demons are parasitic

entities.

They're using laws that we

ourselves are ignorant of that we're just now

learning. They're using those laws against

us. That's really

what inspired me to get into the field without

giving my origin story, is

to try to understand, okay, without

defining them by using descriptions,

let's just see what their behavioral

patterns are. Does that make sense?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then what did you find?

Well, when we're dealing with the demigod or the daemon, it's a reference to what's called the Atreus' epic. It's an Akkadian slash Babylonian origin story of the world. And it speaks of individuals who, post-mortem, they became semi-divine. It uses a word called manakuma.

And malakuma is a word that we dug up in ritual bowls, Mesopotamia, and in other shelf tombs.

But that malakuma became malakim in Hebrew mythology.

And that malakim became the angel in the New Testament.

So this makes sense.

So what's really fascinating about this concept here is that in the Atreus' epic, it refers to the ghost of a man.

it says that the ghost of a man is made from the flesh of a god and so one of their hypothesis was

that there were some people who died and they became mutated ghosts and then that mutated ghost

became a demon and that's just one of the hypotheses out there uh but you know we have

to look at their behavioral patterns as well and see if that um holds weight okay okay so so are

Are there different degrees?

I mean, some are clearly more powerful than others, right?

There are degrees of demons, right?

Correct, correct.

There is an hierarchy currently right now.

But I would say this, that while they are all made of the same substance, they are not all the same status.

And so when we're dealing with the substance of consciousness, now we're dealing with the constitution of consciousness, right?

That emerges from the dead when they transition into the next dimension.

So my research as of late has consisted of trying to understand, okay, what are our ancestors calling them, right?

And how has that evolved through history?

And

what are we calling demons today? Because, and I will suggest to all the scholars out there, including you, it's possible that we're dealing with one phenomenon that's masking itself as demonic in antiquity and alien in modernity.

And if that's possible, then we are dealing with a more malevolent species of darkness than many want to believe.

You know, it's interesting. I'm so glad you're like a segue artist. That's exactly where I was going to go is the study of demonology in ancient times. And I did go through this and look at this and try to find out.

So ancient Mesopotamia, demons were believed to be evil spirits or gods that caused harm or chaos.

Ancient Egypt, demons were often depicted as animals or hybrid with hybrid creatures with animal features.

And they were also believed to be malevolent and they could cause illness or death.

In ancient Greece, and this is interesting, in ancient Greece, demons were believed to be supernatural entities that could influence human affairs, and some were seen as malevolent, while others were seen as helpful or benevolent.

and it goes on

it goes on

and I won't finish it but

you're right we need to define this in modern

times because

when I think of the word demon

it evokes

it evokes a not good

feeling I don't feel

good when I hear the word demon

no not at all

I will say this you know it's fascinating

to me because when you get into the ancient literature

you see a thematic

and coalesces into a very unique understanding of who and what they are.

One of the texts that I'm so fascinated is it's called His Wind is Released.

His Wind is Released.

And prior to the Hebrew Bible being written,

and I know there are going to be dogmatists that will crucify me for that,

but just bear with me.

Prior to the Hebrew Bible being written,

there were various mythologies that kind of interloped together

and found their way into the Hebrew texts.

And so one of the Phoenician definitions of a demon was a little spirit, L-I-L.

Now, a little spirit was the Phoenician word for breath, wind, and finally, spirit.

But it wasn't some entity that fell from the skies or some Greek, you know, god from an Olympus.

This was quite literally a ghost where, you know, in that particular text it mentions, specifically a young man was talking to his sister and says that when my wind is released, my lil is released, bury my body in this location.

So what is the lil spirit?

The lil spirit, again, is the evolution or the mutation of a deceased person.

It's that God ghost that emerges at the moment of death.

Now that translates, again, this is fascinating too, it translates into this being a Lilith or Lilith spirit.

Now, when you get into Hebrew, if I ramble, just let me know, brother, okay?

I tend to do that.

So in Hebrew mythology, they took that borrowed loan word Lil and they created Lilith.

Lilith was allegedly the first wife of Adam.

However, if you see what these beings are doing, you'll see their behavioral footprints, their bloody footprints in the snow, doing the same things.

It's just we've been calling them different names.

But Lilith was the ghost that was because she was barren in real life, allegedly, according to the text, that she would go around harvesting seed and then going into a woman as a man, as an incubi spirit.

and inseminating them and then taking the fetus for a run.

Now, that's the legend of Lilith, but what that points to is that,

like I said, it's a common thematic element throughout history

that at least some of these were perceived to be consciousness,

which I think, right, we're all wondering what it is,

and that's where we're at.

I mean, yeah, I mean, I don't think it ends the study of the phenomena

and learning and being at a point where, okay, we need more information, more data.

And, you know, maybe one day we'll be at that Star Trek level where we can just analyze it

and know exactly what's going on and call it out for that.

But right now, I mean, we can't even get modern science to acknowledge these things.

And in fact, the phenomena itself is regarded as a stigma that people refuse to talk about

their experiences with the otherworldly and you know anything related to that um right so you know

okay so let me let me let me put you in a situation okay let's say let's say that i come up to you and

i say nathaniel you know i i'm going through some weird things right now and i don't know what's

going on and I have a feeling, I have a really bad feeling, I think I might be experiencing

some sort of haunting or possession or some kind of demon is around.

What are your first steps?

What do you do in that scenario?

Well, obviously, I mean, it depends.

It really depends on who I'm dealing with in terms of, you know, is it a husband or

is a wife?

You know, I want to include both of them in the conversation.

an applied demonologist, I have to be careful with what I ask outside of, you know, a family.

So I would talk to them both if she's married or if it's a woman. But I would specifically look for

trauma in the past. I would look for suicidal ideation. And what I used to do, because I'm not

going into homes currently, I'm more into the research, but I would literally, I would just

pick up on her, their energy. And the strangest thing was what happened. You know, I would get

I would get names of people. I'll go ahead and share an anecdotal story with you all. But there was a gentleman that messaged me years ago. He was out of Cincinnati. And obviously, I'm not mentioning names, but he was a young guy. You know, he's maybe about 23. And he says, look, he goes, there are times when something possesses me. And he's like, you know, and he goes, and I start downloading information that I would never otherwise had.

He says, but during that possession, I'm violent.

I pick up my mom and I throw her across the room.

He's like, I've been in jail before.

You know, there's just something wrong with me.

And I said, well, I said, is your mother there?

And she was on, I guess I was on speakerphone.

She goes, absolutely.

What's, you know, what can I help you with?

I said, well, I'm going to ask you a question.

I said, you know, I said, it's an hour and a half away from me.

You know, and I said, I don't, I don't really, I don't do this for money.

And I said, if I'm going to pay my own way and my own gas, my own time,

only thing that I would request out of you humbly is that you work with me and you're honest right

and I said now is there a history of suicide in your family I'll tell you why I asked that question

specifically later on she said no I said all right I said thank you for answering I said no

if I come to you guys will you guys again work with me I said because I don't want to travel an

hour and a half for somebody who's not willing to let this entity go because I have no authority

That entity will mock me.

And so she goes, no.

So we get into it and just talking deeper.

And I hang up the phone.

And about two days later, I go into a vision.

And in this vision, I'm sitting in her house.

I've never been in her house, obviously.

And I'm sitting on a couch in the living room.

There's a light on in the corner of the room.

There's a lamp.

And all of a sudden, it's the middle of the night.

But all of a sudden, I see this male apparition with a black beard walk by me and walk into her room.

And instantly, I got the name David.

And so I called her back, and I said, I really, you know, I asked you guys very kindly not to lie to me.

And they were both on speakerphone again.

And they're going, what do you mean, Nathaniel?

We didn't lie to you.

I said, no.

I said, the other day, I had a vision.

And I explained to them what I saw.

The kid begins to freak out, and he says, that's dad, mom.

he said and i and i said his name was david and the mom starts crying and said yes it is i said

okay i said he committed suicide she said yes i said all right why am i seeing this and the son

was so stunned he was almost speechless but according to his testimony he said that it was

he who witnessed the apparition of his father one night sitting on the couch and uh thankfully i've

been able to use tools like that and obviously you know they need help and i'll help anybody that

uh but but don't lie to me you know what i mean because what that means is we're starting off on

the wrong foot right and uh demons lie right and so then so then are you in your process are you

helping the demon become something else are you helping the demon cross over or no longer be a

demon um there was one case that i had it was a murder case where i'm not saying that because

i'm some kind of a detective that's somebody another show told me that he thinks he's a

detective no uh but it was a murder case and um the entity was a murderer and when i did the

cleansing it was like somebody turned the lights off and then turned them turned them back on

so when that

entity left, I cannot tell you what happened to him. I know that he was a very, very evil man in life. And what he did is he killed his own daughter. And so when I first got there, I got there not knowing what happened. I had no context, no historical record for it.

but they called me specifically not because it was a murder but because there was paranormal

activity happening in the house prior to it so then so then if i'm getting the picture right

so then your your goal is to help the family as much as possible um you you look for if there

are signs of trauma uh deep-rooted trauma and then and if you can if and and the goal is to

stop the

paranormal activity from occurring

and the demon to go away?

Yes.

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And in the meantime, write notes

on its behavioral patterns.

How did it lie? In what way did it lie?

What language did it speak?

I had

a family call me about three

years ago now, and they're

friends of my family.

And forgive me for the anecdotal stories, but I

have to provide context to what I'm

you no problem no problem but but uh in this particular case i was sitting outside this is

the summertime it's about two in the morning and i was working second shift just relaxing outside i

get a phone call from the front of the family and they said you need to pray for our daughter

i'll not mention her name of course i said what's going on and the wife said that uh well she's

this is actually during covid forgive me so she said we're at the er and she's in the hospital

little room throwing up she has a just an abominable pain that abdominal pain rather that is uh that's

reoccurring and we can't stop it and she said can you pray for her and i said well i'll pray for

but now now this is very interesting too on the phone call it was me and it was the stepfather

this girl's stepfather and it was her real mother but immediately go into a trance and on the left

there was an apparition of a man. He had a goatee. He stunk. It was like body odor,

and he smelled like cigarettes. So I knew he was a smoker. I immediately told the wife,

I said, there's a man here. His name is Dan. And I said, what I'm being communicated is that

your daughter survived an absolutely explosively traumatic experience.

and she's been feeling guilty and shameful and blaming herself.

And I said, this entity.

Now, for all of those who are going to listen to this,

I pray that you'll take this to heart

because it will start making more sense to you

if you've been through trauma in your life.

There are entities that are so strategic

that they will cause a traumatic experience to occur in your life

and then use that trauma as a womb to birth something in your life.

And so I asked them, I said, look, I said, it's another trance.

I said, I've never been to your house, but I said, I see a Winnie the Pooh toy sitting on a fireplace.

And I said, I'm on a couch.

And I said, there's a rocking chair.

I said, now what I would ask you to do is I said, in the name of God, I want you to go and take her by the hand.

They're on the couch.

I want you to simply ask her, has there been something traumatic in your life that's occurred?

And that you would rather, you want us to talk about it with you, but it's almost like you're feeling silenced by something.

And I always get emotional in this stuff, man.

So they set her down and she's on a balling.

And she said, a few years back, I was at a party.

She said, it's quite a college party.

And I was really, I really meant to meet with my friend there.

But when I got there, nobody was there but people that I didn't know.

They were just plain strangers.

And she said, and so I get a drink and I'm just trying to meet new people.

She said, I walk up the stairs and I go to the bathroom.

And when I did, a very large man pulled me into the room.

and I'm not going to get into the darkness here,

but you guys can pick up what I'm putting down here.

Right.

And she said it was over and over again,

and she said she didn't tell anybody.

And she said suddenly,

suddenly now the nightmare started.

And again, we're dealing with the pathology of a demon.

Okay.

The pathology of a demon, this particular entity,

was that it caused that trauma to occur to her,

and then it manifested to her in her dreams.

And her testimony was the atmosphere, the energy, the masculinity, the rage that I felt in those nightmares with that entity was the same embodiment that I felt with that man and that party.

Wow.

And she broke down and began to bawl.

And when she did, she began to, and I don't want to use this in a weird way, but she began to share her story with people that were designed to help her heal.

and when she told them that, they began to get her some help and therapy,

and the entity never came back.

The paranormal phenomenon stopped.

So there are at least some beings that, and I'm going to use this specifically,

their sexual pathology does not start in the nightmares or touching in the middle of the night.

It starts sometimes with trauma.

It could be an abuse from a father.

It can be an abuse from a brother or anything that happened in your life.

Some of these beings will step into that trauma and use it to bend your will.

And the key to that is to deal with the trauma first to close that bridge.

And then the entity has to go.

And it makes a lot of sense to me, man.

I mean, like, you know, psychologically, if you are experiencing a traumatic state, then that traumatic event would create a type of hole in your aura, in your energetic field.

And that would be where this type of being could attach, connect, or even insert itself.

And, you know, like, it's a very parasitic relationship.

So, you know, it's using your energy to empower itself. And I think, I think what they feed on the most is the dark emotions like fear, anger, rage, stuff like that.

yes sir and I experienced that in my youth and I'm not going to share my origin story

you guys look at my other shows you can see that but um you know like when I was a kid I

experienced a lot of trauma from the entity itself you know the footsteps at nighttime

there were disembodied voices talking about my head and whenever I encountered that entity

I kind of had to create a coping mechanism around it you know what I mean I mean it was

When I was in the shower, it was there.

When I was in bed, it was there.

It wasn't omnipresent, but it was always lurking.

And so what I started to tell myself was that there's no reason to fear it.

It's projecting fear upon me as bait.

And if I bleed into that, lean into that fear, then it takes authority over me.

And I have people say that fear is faith in the devil.

And I'm not one for cliches, you know, but it really is.

fear it, then it has authority.

So, Nathaniel, this is very, very

intriguing. There's so many questions that I have entering my mind.

So, one of them is, is it common,

would you say, the night terror aspect of it?

Is that a common pathology? Is it

common inside of...

Yeah, every major monotheistic religion, absolutely.

You know, the exorcists record the same

beings doing the same things at the same times.

And so, you know, in antiquity, we had Lamashtu,

who was another being, and her pathology was,

we're going to get here to a point where you're going to see the modern UFO

abduction phenomenon staring right back at you.

All right?

But what she would do is, after Lilith would go and take seed from a man

and then turn into, you know, turn into another, turn into the image of a man

and then suddenly a woman, she would go and she would harvest the fetus

body. And one of her pathologies is she would descend down in the middle of the night. The

woman would have a dream. And in that dream, an entity would be there. And the entity would stare

into their eyes. They would do something with their womb. And in the morning, they would wake

up and their baby's gone. That's called the missing fetus syndrome in modernity.

Wow.

Right. So we're looking, okay, you know, we're not looking for names. You know what I mean? It's like, okay, what are they doing? Because I think that's what they're really hiding behind.

It's absolutely intriguing. I mean, do you think, like, I've always had the feeling that the power starts to shift when you find out their name. Is this true?

It is in some cases.

You know, in Hebrew linguistics, the name for, well, the word for the name is nature.

That's the definition of it.

So that's why when you have the demon's name, you have its nature.

Now, what is its nature?

It's its behavioral pattern.

See, I've got a circling back here, right?

Okay, so at this point, what do we have here?

And so, you know, but these beings, they're ancient, in my humble opinion, and they've

been here for a long time, ever, at least ever since death occurred.

And that's the goal here. It's to hope that the veil thins enough for us to start realizing what we have to do, because there is a war going on.

man i love your segues i i agree with you 100 we are i believe we are in the middle of a spiritual

war between light and dark and and it's very important is is very important to have these

types of discussions not as a propagation of fear but a propagation of knowledge and empowerment

and this should empower you um but but what i was going to ask you is are you noticing an

in frequencies in the last three years or so?

Are you noticing an increase in the symptoms

of this type of phenomena or possession?

Are you noticing more of these demons on our plane here?

Yes, yes.

And in many ways, they do manipulate the human condition.

And I tell people in my lectures that in many cases,

we are blinded by our own sight

because what we're dealing with is a species

use propaganda and hide behind masks and what i like to tell people too because it's the you know

the repetition is the mother of all learning but i don't like to repeat myself i like to repeat

others you know but i tell people they're playing a different game because they're i'm sorry they're

playing by different rules because they're playing a different game and so far we have you know

various accounts in antiquity where these beings would possess people and we are at war we're at

war with the species that is working laws that we are seemingly ignorant of.

And it's the job of researchers, experiencers alike, to test things on them.

Does this work?

No.

Does this?

Yes.

Because at the end of the day, that's really what we're after.

Hard-hitting amulets, hard-hitting words, or anything that can save us from this device.

You know, Nathaniel, there was an author that I adore. His books were authored in like the 1920s, so they weren't like filtered down. Arthur E. Powell was his name, and he wrote a bunch of books on the astral body and various astral phenomena.

And it was one of the key pieces of learning other than the stuff that Mr. Bruce taught me.

And my own experiences, I used to have out-of-body experiences all the time, every night.

So one of the things that Arthur E. Powell talked about was that these types of sort of, you could call them like little mischievous spirits.

It's they what they would do is they would hang out in these areas where people were drinking alcohol.

And he and what he said was that they would wait until the person had their first drink, which lowered their lowered their ability to defend naturally.

And then and then and then by the time they had their second drink, that's when they would make their primary connection, their first connection.

through this connection they would give the impulse drink more you want more and and and

and as this person got more and more drunk they they would assert more and more control

and and feed more and more darkness more dark thoughts into this this person does that sound

like some of the stuff you've dealt with in the past absolutely you know there are and i i

some of the Catholic tradition, I believe, some of it I don't.

So I'm going to be using different terminologies here.

But you have an exterior entity that wants to be an interior entity.

And what it'll do is it'll introduce a substance into you, into your bloodstream,

and then it'll send you a thought.

Now, I grew up in a tradition that said the battle is in the mind.

I don't think they really understood how deep that was.

And I'm going to get into this real quick because it's going to blow your guys' mind.

It blew my mind too.

So it's going to be like a wow moment.

So let me back up and say this.

Long before these beings possessed people, they possessed statues.

Hmm.

Hmm.

Interesting.

That's interesting.

Yeah.

And so your necromancy in Mesopotamia, what they would do is they would go to an artificer of metal.

And this is in the book of 2 Chronicles in the Hebrew text.

And they would find a blacksmith, essentially, and say, I want you to make an image of this entity.

And so then, and this is according to the text, people could say it's anecdotal.

I fully, I get it, you know, I get it.

But anyway, so they would take this image of the demon home.

And while they were sleeping, something would become alive in that image inside, break out of that metal.

And now it's here.

Absolutely. Now watch this. This is very, very unique, but it helps us understand their pathology. They molded the mind of that man long before that man went and told somebody to mold the entity.

right birth me make me create an image of me so that i can be created in this dimension

now getting down to that we're understanding that possession is the the commandeering of

consciousness where that being doesn't possess a statue now it wants flesh and blood and now

here's what it does it starts with a fault that's usually a self-deprecating fault

You're not good enough. Your dad was right to leave you. All of these thoughts. And then what it'll do is it will monitor whether or not you agree with it.

and when you agree with it then it has a hook in and so the goal here is that it starts thinking

for you so much so that when it goes from an exterior to an interior entity and wants to act

now it's going to act on your behalf and you won't know it because you think i thought that

now one of the ways to provide autonomy and agency to the individual is to say to them

So that's one way to diagnose it, but I'll shut up.

Can one demon possess more than one person at a time?

I believe so.

Like a group possession?

I believe so.

Yes, that may be controversial for some, especially those who are in my field.

Yes, that more than one can be – actually, you can have two people that are possessed by the same entity.

because at this point we're dealing with consciousness, right?

We're not dealing with localized consciousness.

If it wants to branch out and possess two people at the same time, it can.

Matter of fact, that murder case that I had that I mentioned earlier,

I had another case a year later.

One was right down the street from that house.

Same enemy.

Or at least it appeared to have the same pathology.

You know, to demoralize the woman to Zikibus.

You know, it would lay in bed at nighttime in between the husband and wife.

You know, these are seriously sick beings. But yeah, so we have to pay attention to the bloody footprints of the snow. Like this is quite literally profiling a demon here. What are they doing? Why are they doing it? That's really where I'm at in my field.

so then okay so we've we've discussed the problem we're about halfway through

what is the solution like what do we do how do we combat these these these whatever they are

this this phenomenon like what can we like i mean let's say okay for example let's say that someone

someone listening is is suffering from night terrors um like what would you recommend them

to do? Like, what is

an example? I mean, you take it.

I had a

another anecdotal story. I had a couple

that was suffering that

it was affecting their marriage.

And

what I told them was, you know,

I would like you to make a covenant

in that house together.

Make a covenant. Say your vows again.

Renounce the presence of

this being. Renounce it.

That seems like a meaningless step

But it would surprise you how many people are like, no, I'm not doing that.

And then it doesn't leave.

The second thing I do is I would wear religious amulets.

Matter of fact, some of the women that met Lamashtu in antiquity, they went out on limb here, but they're still hoping to figure this out like we are.

But they would go out and they would take iron and they would make a fake face.

and then wear that second face as a necklace,

hoping that when Lamashtu would stare into her eyes,

I would actually stare into the iron itself.

And in some ritual bowls, it says it works.

So I would do that, and I would also, again, employ iron.

I don't care if it's an iron cross, just iron.

Third thing is, if there was trauma in your life,

I would seek therapy.

I mean, there's times when I just have to do a cleansing.

There are times when this stuff is out of my hands.

You need psychological therapy to get through these emotions.

And then once that occurs, the PTSD that it caused is no longer there.

And therefore, the pull that it used to come here is no longer there.

So those are ways to do it.

Now, there are names that I am being told

that when you use them, it works. Now, it's almost like a doctor when he prescribes medication. Does it work every time? Not really. Sometimes it works for this person, sometimes it works for the other. Now, that's a whole other show, but you know, the name of Jesus. I use the name of Yeshua, the first century name.

Okay.

That's what I do.

That's what I've heard and what I've practiced myself as well is that during these experiences, when you say the name, it's like a resonance that exists in the name Jesus Christ.

When you say those words, it greatly reduces or eliminates the phenomena completely, stops it in its tracks there.

Right.

So there's something to that.

There's something to that archetype.

Right, yeah.

And it's not them playing roles.

So in my research, I found a lot of behavioral patterns where these beings will take on the role that we give them.

This is particularly disturbing when there are people that are illiterate in terms of who Jesus was.

And I don't mean that in a damning way.

I'm saying they're not dumb or stupid.

That's not at all.

They just don't know.

There's a difference.

and so you there was one experiencer who she uh was abducted by these beings

and she called on the name jesus and it's this is wild it pulled an image out of her mind and so

it was literally like they asked her okay what do you think jesus looked like and then it was

like a blonde swedish presbyterian and that's how it manifested to her

which is very unique right they feed into our belief systems at times and so you know then it

shows up okay you want jesus here i am there was one experiencer that i had worked with

where she was abducted called on jesus and jesus showed up hold his hand held his hand

out and said all seed belongs to me

and I'm going to say this and I won't,

I know we're running out of time here,

but I'm going to say this and I don't want to scare people,

but she has six miscarriages.

I think they're already scared, but it's okay.

Not my intention.

This is just the data.

But we have to look at what we're saying

and why we're saying it.

One thing I really frown on

is if it doesn't work for somebody,

not going out there and crucifying them

because they didn't have enough faith.

We can't monitor their faith.

We don't know them.

So that's what I'm saying.

Okay.

Okay.

So, you know, I think it's important that we recognize it as, you know, like in here in the physical realm, there are mosquitoes, right?

And they're parasitic.

They draw your blood.

That's what they do to survive and live.

It's part of nature, right?

And so in the astral realm, there are these creatures that exist, and they are also parasitic in nature, except they affect here in the physical realm they affect.

And in the way that they affect us, it can vary.

It can vary to the number of love.

What worries me, though, Nathaniel, is that you say that in the last three years or so, it seems to be increasing.

Because on a global level, I think there has been a global trauma that we've all experienced.

And so perhaps that is a type of gateway for more of these dark things to come through.

But where are, okay, like if we exist in a polarity, you know, light and dark, then where are the light?

Where are the angels?

Where are those people or beings?

It's a very good question.

You know, throw a rock in the pond for the researchers like yourself out there and see if you guys, see what you guys think about it.

But I do believe that a lot of these beings are performing high magic rituals.

when Jack Parsons was moderating our rocket program in history

you know he was contacting these beings

he was contacting them using bastardized Kabbalistic rituals

now you know the shortest horror story ever written

was that the last man on earth was alone in his house

and there came a knock at the door

now according to these texts

if Jack Parsons and Crowley employed these

they should not have worked

the basis of

Kabbalistic, especially magic

is the humility of the man

and the absolute fear of the Lord

but they had neither

and yet when they branched out into that

darkness, something was there that

responded to it

now when we're getting into high magic

in the book of Ezekiel chapter 13

there is a phenomenon that refers

to some of these beings

Yahweh Elohim

mentions people

but they were performing some of these same rituals.

And essentially, he says, I have bought with you

those who hunt the souls of men to make them fly.

Now, I know we're in the last chapter of the show,

but I want to dig in really deep for everybody

because this is the highlight of my work.

Okay, no problem. Yeah, I love that.

Number one, we are dealing with a species

that can induce people into a deep sleep

and pull their souls out of their body.

It's happened through abduction literature.

It's happened in demonological literature.

Whatever we're dealing with has just an incredible knowledge about the soul of the afterlife and how long a soul can be out of body before the body itself dies.

Now, what we're dealing with again, I had a remote viewer, actually a son of a remote viewer that called me one time.

And he's like, you know, he goes, my father was a famous remote viewer.

he would leave his body

and he would meet his guides

his guides would give him messages

and then when he would be back in his body

he would call up the local politicians

and local celebrities

and they would pay him thousands of dollars for a reading

they said it was nothing

it was nothing for my dad to do that

he said matter of fact it wasn't anything for my dad

to go into a trance while I'm playing video games

turn all the lights off in the house

and tell me there's a being here that wants to talk to you

now

were not his guides.

They were far more

manipulative.

He said that one night, he loved video

games, he said, I'm playing video games, and my

father basically stumbles down the stairs.

He's pale.

He can't talk. He can barely breathe.

And he said, my dad had a massive heart attack.

He said, when we got him to the hospital,

we're taking his shirt off to put his robe

on.

And sub-derminally,

Religious amulets came from underneath the skin to the surface.

What?

One of them was a cross.

The other one was the star of David.

And this is the scary part.

The last one was an overarching hieroglyphic from Egypt.

This came out of his skin?

His skin, through the skin to the surface.

now I'm telling you guys

and I'm getting passionate but we are at war with something

see here's the problem with demonology

let me harp on my own field we're so broken

we're so divided

the Catholic won't use the Star of David but these beings did

and they used a cross against this individual

so the way they're using amulets

is different than we are they're using them in terms of

multiplication

Right?

Now, this soul-to-skin phenomenon is the same behavioral pattern we see in these soul hunters in the UFO abduction field.

One night, one night, Betty Luca was sleeping peacefully.

Bob Luca, her husband, hears a rustling in the bed.

He opens his eyes.

When his eyes adjust it, he sees his wife's apparition being pulled out of her body.

Soul hunters.

This, I believe, 100%.

said they're not just after bodies they're after souls now when she got back into her body buddy

then the scoop marks manifested subdermally through the skin to the surface this is a case

study of behavioral patterns they're doing the same thing as the same beings

our job is to figure out why they're doing it

well that's that makes me uncomfortable

well okay so what are they doing you know yeah so um i'm very curious to know your answer to

this question do you think that the the alien ufo encounter is a different type of demon or

something extraterrestrial well i would include them as being demonic in nature i mean

question earlier in the show like what was a demon what was a demon but what you know what

what's the difference between a demon and angel to many people antiquity you're a demon because

you gave me bad news you're an angel if you gave me good news that's how shallow a lot of them were

true so they really didn't classify them but these beings have manifested to people as angels

there's a famous experiencer right now that believes mother mary you know manifested to him

now let me let me show somebody a little bit of what's going on behind the veil

i say

that with all humility. These beings are now teaching doctrine. And for all of those who despise religious fundamentalists, I despise many of them too. I grew up in that religion. I get it.

But I think we need to start hypothesizing why they're teaching us as a species doctrines.

Because there's one man, Paul, Shaul, who said, if another Jesus comes to you, then the one you've already received, run.

And what he was dealing with is not just an entity that manifests.

It's not just an entity that peels the soul out of the body.

But he was also pointing out the fact that many of them will come to teach you doctrines.

and if they're teaching doctrines

according to him

then we're dealing with the end times

I'm going to end this little rant with this

recently I got a hold

of a book by Abram the mage

and if you don't know who he was

he was a Kabbalistic

magician so you know he feared

God he didn't use his works against

anyone he used it for them

but anyways he had encountered

an individual who also had religious

it's the only person i've read that from and he encountered them again it was this it was some of

the same amulets but the kicker of it was that he encountered a being that carved hieroglyphics

into someone and when he witnessed that he shrieked and he called that angel magic

which would make perfect sense and it kind of kind of opens a lot of doors for us as researchers

and i i think i think there is a huge amount of research i don't i don't think we're anywhere

close to an answer what's going on um i think i think we're getting closer i think i think

talking about it is is definitely a first step i don't feel like we're organized enough to even

approach um a data set that that can lead us to what these things actually are correct correct

So far, we're leaning on descriptions, you know, personifications of the phenomenon or the face of the phenomenon.

I will suggest that there is something hiding in the corner that's neither alien or what we would consider to be a fallen angel.

The term fallen angel is never even in the Hebrew texts.

It came afterwards.

So, you know, what are we dealing with?

We don't know, but we do know that what they're doing is the same thing.

And I would suggest that we're dealing with what I call the unified field theory.

They're the same beings wearing different masks to manipulate us.

hmm there was um there was a time when i was in this a long time ago man a couple decades ago i

used to run an an obe chat on uh irc anyone out there remembers fnet uh we were on there pound

obe and uh and i thought i was a badass man i thought i was the man and because because i i

I felt like I had mastered the process of going out of body.

And I'll always remember this day, this kid came into our chat room and he said,

Hey, this demon comes to me every night, drags me out of my body, takes me to a different world.

in this other world

they

the scientists there

they find like a chest

they open the chest

even though they're warned not to open the chest

and the chest

emits this black

smoke that they don't

know why it continues to emit the

black smoke black smoke black smoke

until it covers the whole planet

and this kid he said

he said

it makes me watch this every night comes to me and it drives me out every single night happens

and i and i told him i said you know what man all right i'm gonna i'm gonna project out i'll be

waiting when it comes let's see if we can fight it and and nathaniel i was i was i was batting out

of my league my friend like i was i lost in in the worst way that you could lose i lost and it was

like this horned minotaur like hoofed like like demon it was strong much much stronger than me

and i was i i went back into my body and when when i did i thought oh my god what if it follows me

here and it did it did i could feel it in the room and just as i thought oh my god i've just

made the biggest mistake i could ever possibly make this this little white ball of light little

white ball of light entered the room and it just erased the demon completely it's just gone

like the moment that i thought oh my god this is i'm in big big trouble it was just gone it just

ended um it never i never saw it again that's profound my friend that's profound thank you for

sharing that it's you know i when i was a kid i had a similar experience you know the end of the

i was dealing with was um at first it manifested as a little girl manifest as a little girl and

evolved. And one night, just like you, I thought, man, I'm done. You know, it was following me to

friends' houses. It was meeting me in my dreams. The same nightmare occurred. And finally, I just

called on God. I said, God, I don't know what this is or why it wants me, but I'm asking for divine

intervention. And something else walked into that room, my friend. And that entity lived.

and to this day even having murder cases it was the most powerful most powerful being i met

thankfully thankfully so nathaniel i really think i i do think that these these beings um

they have to respect a certain law of of free will and and they they do gain our tacit um

acceptance of, they trick us into letting themselves in further, but they also obey a higher order of light.

And when that is respected and when it is used, they have to obey that.

Right, right. And they'll recognize people too. You know what I mean?

If you're known to be a wounded healer and turning your wounds into wisdom, they'll notice that.

You'll be on their radar.

And they'll do something to stop you.

You know, the entity that I faced as a young boy was suicide.

And, you know, that's the easiest demon to spot in my career.

You know, I've had people call me in the middle of the night.

I didn't feel the lick of God.

Nothing.

Nothing.

So the very end of the phone call when I'm saying, well, you know what, I'll call you tomorrow.

And then I feel something brushed by me.

Suicide.

the person's delivered.

So,

you know,

you just discernment,

but,

uh,

I'm going to thank you guys for having me on,

man.

You know,

I've looked at all your,

your,

you've got,

you guys have some cannons as guests and you got a little old Nate on.

So I really appreciate it.

Oh no,

Nathaniel.

It's,

it's my honor,

our honor for,

to just scratch the surface of this topic.

And I know that you are very,

very sick and I really,

truly appreciate your time.

Very,

very,

very much,

man.

Thank you so much.

And, guys, anyone that's listening, there is hope.

There is light at the end of the tunnel.

We're not completely lost, but this is a spiritual war.

And I think it's important to know that.

I don't think it helps us to be in ignorance of the war itself.

and with that guys um i'm gonna i'm gonna go ahead and we're gonna get

canceled we're gonna go ahead and and end the show here guys i i apologize i know we were

supposed to go for a little bit longer um but i can say there's there's a very very big guest that

i have locked in he just did a netflix series won't say his name but i'm sure you can guess

it is.

But I want to thank you guys.

Everyone, thank you so much

for listening and tuning in.

And we're going to get out of here.

Don't lose hope, my friends.

And just remember

that if you're listening to my voice right now,

you are the resistance.

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Yeah.

Thank you.