Episode 140 – Dr. Fiorella Terenzi -Passion, Astrophysics, Space Exploration

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for listening ladies and gentlemen welcome we’ve got a phenomenal program planned for you this evening we’re gonna be talking to doctors Fiorella Terenzi her work revolves primarily around astrophysics so sit back grab a drink and enjoy this conversation the human experience in session my name is Xavier katana my guest for this evening is dr. Fiorella Terenzi pure electrons he is an astrophysicist musician and author Fiorella attained her doctorate from in

physics from the University of Milan she developed the idea of using sound technology to convert radio waves from galaxies into audio form that might give us new insights about space in humanity’s place in the universe she’s been described as a cross between Carl Sagan and Madonna by Time magazine her work has seen her appear in a variety of media outlets including CNN the sci-fi channel NPR History Channel Wall Street Journal Time magazine the list goes on

and on and on and now she’s here with us on the experience Fiorella it’s a pleasure thank you for making the time to be here welcome to hxp thank you it’s a pleasure to be here with you ela I mean there’s there’s so much accreditation to your work and everything you’ve been doing but for anyone that might not know who you are if you could just give us a short introduction about you know who you are what you do please I am an astrophysicist a scientist was moved by

an artistic sensibility also a recording artist and an author and my interest is to combine a creative art performance are the music with traditional science education and the goal is to keep on looking up being inspired and enlightened yeah I love that I mean so where did this start for for you as far as astronomy and an education I mean I I think it was I think I read that it was someone close to your grandmother and your grandmother introduced you to the

night sky outside of Milan right yes that’s that’s correct I think I was around the 5 or 6 years old and during summer time I was with my grandmother outside Milan she didn’t know anything about stars or galaxies or black hole but she had a beautiful imagination so during the night time we were going for a walk up to the full moon to some star some constellation that she didn’t know but with her imagination she was able to transport me she’d make me feel at the

center of the universe she created the fable and stories about the stars that I still carry with me these days ok that sounds amazing I mean what was what was one of the stories that she told you about the stars a couple of things was about a couple of things I will always remember was the stellar bit of this stellar heart pulsating with mine after 20 years when I became a student and I was doing my doctorate I kept calling the pulse ours

these are pulsating stars at the stellar heart of the cosmos because I still remember that the feeling of a looking up and any day it did happen I did a feel I did a felt that is a heartbeat beating with mine I felt these eyes of the universe of other stars and galaxies looking at me I felt empowered and I felt a humble because he was a really a big space out there of course I mean the universe is such a huge huge place so you know astronomy

and then radio wave music and how did you connect these two dots seems like two very separate worlds to connect you know science and art but they were a separate world for me too because I grew up you know singing in the church then I was studying music at the conservatory Oh in Milano during the popular courses in the evening so during the day think about I was in the physics department talking about astronomy astrophysics radio astronomy and in Denis evening I

was a studying music composition opera singing so the concept came together by coincidence it wasn’t really by taking the opposite like a radio astronomy and music at the same time that I found a key to translate the radio waves into sound okay okay so don’t stop there please what was the key that you found when you collect the radio waves from galaxies using radio telescope specialized unten a big satellite dish antenna of several metre in diameter

these radio waves are from space from galaxies arrived to earth with an intensity you know very loud soft and also with a frequency the frequency of the radio galactic waves are very very high think about we are talking about the billions of vibration per second now think about what is a musical note when we tune our instrument on the musical note a it’s a 440 Hertz of vibration so it’s a 440 vibration of per second so a musical note like a

radio waves from space have bought the intensity and frequency so basically I could decode radio waves as a sound and then on to music but it was by doing opposite things that really I was able to find something unique and interesting and that is a lesson from the universe I was a keep in mind and I always a remind my student as I teach at Florida International University in Miami to really express yourself don’t think that if you want to be a comedian you cannot

be a chemist if you want to be a model an actor or you can also be a geologist go for it because a new way a new journey will be shown to you you will discover a new path ok so what you’re telling your students is that even though whatever you’re passionate and you can’t you should explore those things even if they’re in completely different areas yes I think it’s very important because we have been trapped in these believing belief that black and

white science is not art left and right brain and I always felt that this division was a little bit too artificial at least for me it was a little bit too limiting and even today every single day of my life i shattered stereotype of a scientist because I’m not like an Albert Einstein caricature I’m not like that so as I do it as I’m able to do it I hope my student and everybody’s listening will do it a to just get on the journey follow what you like even if

they seems to totally opposite even martial art and music you will find something in common because everything will come together in your life at a certain point okay yes so it’s not that you know it’s it’s not that old saying of jack of all trades master of none it’s it’s you can truly master you know these things as long as you have some sort of connection or passion or link or intuitive link to them the key of mastering is a perseverance trust

me to become an astrophysicist that you need at least 20 or 30 years of solid concrete study in the science and also to be a musician it takes time in life to find things so persevere keep on going and something will happen I love that I mean it and but it’s it’s also really just putting the work in like you said I mean it took so many years for you to gain this accreditation of being enough an astrophysicist you know so you have to

be willing to do the hard work that comes with with it right correctly it is a hard work especially the science especially the stem at the science the technology engineering mathematics field I mean it’s difficult stuff that’s why we need to change also the way we are teaching we need to make this amazing science concept entertaining enthralling they have to become part of the life of our student and our listener because the science is

a really beautiful concept but imagine sometimes a physics lesson how boring it could be how difficult how this it could be that’s why we lose so many young mind yeah I could see that you know I could see how how boring physics could get and that I guess that that’s part of what makes you such an amazing teacher I’m just hearing the resonance in your voice so let’s let’s talk about acoustic astronomy because I mean the could you say that

music is the language of nature could you say that I would say vibration is the language of the universe absolutely vibration so vibration so everything is vibrating and and and you are able to assign a musical note to these vibrations these calculations everything is vibrating everything flickers in and out the reality you see is not a continuous is made of quantum even your atoms in every body are made by quantum so it’s an intriguing reality

that we are facing my work in astronomy started by doing audio fication or sonification of radio waves from space to tell you the truth at the very beginning I call it the radio computer music astronomy because for the first time I combined a computer music with the radio astronomy then the name-o was a too complex so I switched to acoustic astronomy but when I did my research in 1987 at the University of California San Diego at the computer

audio Research Laboratory I was able to work with sound synthesis language computer music was the very beginning you know the computer for the first time was able to synthesize a violin sound which then led to the the synthesizer that you have with a major music company today just to name a few Roland or a Yamaha but for me that the digital oscilloscopes that the computer music software was a key to interpret not a violin and not an

arp but the radio waves from the universe’ so what I did was a straightforward feeding radio waves at billions of Hertz into the gigahertz straight into this a softer sound synthesis language call it the sea music was written in C was a created by Professor Richard Moore at the UCSD and the sound the synthesis language sends out sound of the celestial object in question okay okay how does it do that there is a generation function in sound

you oscilloscope or that the create the sound and then you have an intensity of the celestial waves that they give you loud or sow softer intensity on the sound and then you have the frequency the frequency was a little bit of a problem because we are again into the billions of thirds and remember that the human can only hear sound between a 20 up to 20,000 Hertz so to make the story straight to the point there is an algorithm that takes 1

billion Hertz down to 1,000 Hertz for instance so everything basically is a shift down in frequency very much like in one of the episode of Star Trek I don’t remember the name but in this older Star Trek I saw it on TV Captain Kirk they were hearing this very very fast buzz and that they were slowing down until they were able to detect the voice and someone talking so very much similar to what is the process of acoustic astronomy absolutely

fascinating I was intrigued by this okay so so let’s say let’s say that we are trying to pick a target that we’re going to sample or record the radio waves of and then and then turn into music you chose a galaxy specifically called as UGC six six nine seven right correct so how far how far is that away I mean what are the different things that we need to calculate when we’re turning this into music the galaxy is at 180 million

light-years away just to answer to your question so the radiation that they are arriving on earth from this galaxy UGC six six ninety seven they belong basically to the Jurassic time on earth so they left the galaxy 180 million light-years away ago and it took them at that time to arrive on earth so they are extremely ancient they are extremely old you know when we look up to the universe we look to the past yeah I remember when I when

I got my first telescope years ago and remember pointing it at I think it was here Saturn or Jupiter I think Saturn and and I remember seeing the Rings and it just it blew me away to be able to look into this you know this little scope and and see a planetary body that was in our solar system and then I years later I got a bigger telescope as one would do if you’re studying the Stars right and and I remember finding my first galaxies and

and acknowledging just realizing that this light is taking this long to reach the retina in my in my eyes correct which for me was was a mind-blowing thing to think about yeah it’s actually a very good example for my student I used the example of the Sun the light that arrived at the URI Tina every day he’s already older is already an 8 – nine minutes older what does it mean that if the Sun exploded right now we have time to go for a cup of coffee you

will not know that the Sun is gone you will have to wait those eight to nine minutes now think about when you go to the edge of the universe now you’re looking farther back at the 15 14 billion years ago because of deaths at the edge of the limit at the limit of the universe is where you know we are looking at the source where was the Big Bang the origin the farther you go in the universe the older are this a celestial object so so fear Allah I mean

when you when you’re gonna say something sorry no I wanted to you ask me something about the sound of the galaxy I wanted to make sure that the procedure is a clear because once these radio waves come arrive on or that they go to a radio telescope they go to a computer they goes they go to a software there is a deduction in frequency what do you obtain is an audio output I call it a more sound or maybe a better name should be noise random noise because all this

radiation are created by random phenomena they are not well modulated alike music so the music as an interpretation of this random sound from this galaxy came later on when I took this random sound and I said to the piano and I heard an intonation I heard the b-flat I heard the D minor intonation I over the same musical notes which then became the inspiration for the music I composed them but if you go on my research website acoustic

astronomy at the Florida International versi you will hear many many celestial object pulsars stars son the Big Bang and there is not music there I mean if for the music that we think music is they are all random static sound from the universe that’s how the universe express itself for the moment if we will find in the universe something very rhythm very well modulated then we have to talk about some intelligent civilization because

except for pulsars they are like cosmic drama in the universe they keep a precise a temple except the four poles are most radiation from the universe it’s really random noisy static mmm-hmm you know so that’s a great moment I think I’m just gonna play about ten seconds not very long at all just a few seconds of just to give people an idea of what it kind of sounds like because when I heard it for the first time it didn’t sound like anything I expected

okay so here is and I’m not sure if you’re gonna be able to hear this or not if you’re Fiorella but the audience will and this is your track called neo any oh okay new it’s music okay if you want to play for for our audience raw galactic data you have to use a collision aside Ariel grass the plasma waves okay okay so we’ll go with collision then okay okay here is collision and this is what it sounds like here goes

[Music]

okay I mean it’s really really fascinating it’s it’s really unlike it’s very Spacey kind of spooky you know and it doesn’t it kind of kind of puts you on edge a little bit right it does it does it’s they are powerful sound they are able to evoke they provoke even reaction sometimes the galaxies get a little bit more quiet so you can maybe meditate and relax but otherwise a lot of celestial objects are pretty pretty energetic I would say you

know if you’re Allah I’m really curious when you’re looking up you know up there have you found anything that you know seemed unusual alien life you know objects that you thought you just don’t make sense I mean is there any connection to that I mean there’s there’s a lot of conspiracy theories about aliens stuff like that ever encounter anything like that before I haven’t encountered any alien – bad dog I’m looking I’m looking for I mean

the universe is so big why I mean why is it seems so empty probably it’s from our point of view it’s a limitation in our technology to the Kepler telescope is only capturing a very narrow sample of planet of nearby planet in the Milky Way galaxy nearby where we are it’s not capturing 100% of the Milky Way is capturing like probably even less than 1% so is an arrow it’s still a very very very narrow database that we are I don’t remember how many

but you know these are EXO planet this planet around the other star they are still in the few hundreds I don’t even know if we are up to a thousand so it’s a small sample we have a limited technology plus the reason that I’m problem the problem if another civilization is across the Milky Way galaxy it will takes a hundred thousand years to receive ello we are here I mean that’s a major issue right because it takes light so much time to travel such

a vast distance how are we gonna know if it’s there right you know right now that that’s so going back to your question that what is unusual unusual for me to see a universe that seems to be designed for zero communication it feels like we are an isolated experiment to me but this is you know using you know my imagination sometimes I think about this impossibility to talk to another civilization because of this novel I named it

Wow I mean that it boggles my mind because you know I really want us to encounter you know alien life at some point it just seems like a natural progression in the human you know evolution of things and it seems like the planet here is in big trouble and we need to eventually you know venture out into space to have a back-up plan you know to save our species and we will we will but now don’t be discouraged too because probably MRSA I hope so

we’ll reveal life not intelligent life not technologically advanced life but you know single-cell microorganism you will not find an elephant or giraffe look-alike on Mars but you will find life on Europa also very very very high probability for life Titan so we may find life in the solar system mm-hmm do you think that our definition of what is sentient what we define is as life could be so far from sort of our ability to conceive or think

about you know what’s what’s out there what’s really out there that you know we’re not we’re just not seeing it you know maybe it’s a pure energy instead of I mean there’s no matter involved but it’s sentient and it’s it’s alive it’s a great question and yes I think you’re right there is also that possibility that life is something totally far away from what we know it and look at what is happening to us a human kind we are transferring everything on the web so in

the future in the near future I will be an avatar you will be living in the Internet forever if something happened to Planet Earth we are gonna live forever in eternity if we can keep alive our computer right or our network are you following me so imagine an alien for me that arrived how how they’re gonna think about the worldwide web as a storage for us humankind experienced able to communicate because probably we will become intelligent avatar we will

become intelligent digital formal able even to taste the chocolate and ice cream so indeed probably even some intelligent life form a may have evolved into something that we can’t even imagine let me add something though that I like to talk about alien and I explained on my interview on ancient alien on the History Channel that probably we are alien yeah look yourself in the mirror and we are right we where do we come from another star

how do we get here as amino-acid the board of a comet we were just the plain amino acid frozen in this comet collision with planet in here we are doing the interview tonight it’s quite a jump right but I mean I mean I’m surely you know what you know cross-species contamination like let’s say you take a lizard from South America and you transport it illegally over to Africa and you drop it you know because of its natural advantages you

know to other species it’s gonna decimate you know the ecology of Africa right so look if you look at the way humans are in their natural equilibrium to ecology there is none you know that we decimate everywhere we go we just sort of consume it and you know and then if you look at like a hard winter I mean you’re not you’re not quitting until a hard winter so yeah I agree with you agree that you know we we are the aliens yeah we are the invasive species

absolute yes yes so go on so alien exist I exist we exist we are the aliens probably I do believe so and sometimes I wish I could have that memory I wish my atoms in my body could have the memories or when we were near that star wouldn’t be that great you remember all the star we have been true because our son is not here for longer and the insight of our son before the were many more stars so before our son was born there were a big supergiant

star that detonated and recycle into the Sun as we know it today but you know of course the atoms they don’t keep memories so we can get there with our imagination and fantasy however yeah but it’s fun to do that right it makes it really entertaining and exciting right I mean what about what about our own solar system I mean if if the moon is you know if we if we went to the moon I’m still not sure about this like if we went there why isn’t there a base

well haven’t we colonized the moon we should have done this already right I I think so we should either even you know have baby in space see how in zero gravity we are evolving I am not sure what happened to the moon I know there are a lot of experts that it will happen there are some plan to at least in on mask I’m sure is thinking about that right yeah sure I mean how would you get past the valve in Allen radiation belt I mean isn’t that it’s almost like a

quarantine type system there’s so much radiation bouncing off what is it the magnetosphere right in my cases but you know we weren’t a pastor that so we have the key to pass through that and a colony on the moon will be the next logical step at least for my point of view also because I’m entering middle age or so to be in a less gravity environment that would be beneficial to my knees and spine but yeah I mean it makes it just makes perfect sense to use

the moon as a jump-off point to anywhere else we go all of our resources I mean all the resources we could ever need or want are in outer space that’s where they are so why we’re still here I mean if we’ve actually been there and I you know you said there’s a key to getting through the the Van Allen radiation belt what is it you know what is the key in just shielding that radiations it is a shielding absolutely yes remember we

have a spacecraft in orbit around the Jupiter which has a much much more powerful radiation zone around has a much more powerful magnetosphere than planet Earth so we can go through that we can go shielding we have a shields we have the technology we have a new new type of material I don’t see that being a problem the problem is probably resources I think the next step maybe an international effort or like the internationals station is being yeah yeah

fear Allah I’m curious if you know you know do you know Nikola Tesla is surely you know so you know sure what happened there in our own history I mean it was maybe a hundred years ago a little bit more than a hundred years ago I mean he was presenting a technology that could have pulled you know what was he doing exactly who’s pulling energy from you know this etheric space or something like that you know I’m not super familiar in detail with the Tesla but

yes his focus was on electricity and the transfer of the energy works and correct without any material correct through the ether through the empty space or through hair so it was a pretty advanced we never got there all got interrupt and got stopped and but I’m not sure about the mechanism why what happened in his life so I mean wouldn’t things be interesting if we were using a technology that didn’t rely right now on fossil fuels I mean we supposedly hit

Peak Oil I think in the 90s I mean they were talking about that in the 90s that we had reached you know the peak period of all the oil on the planet so you know it seems like time is running out I mean right now in the news the Amazon is burning I’m not sure you’ve heard about this yet yes it’s tragic so it seems like humans you know like the earth will survive climate change humans may be point zero zero nine percent of us or something will survive

you know not many yep well what what we are saying these days is what physics teaches us that there is no system that can keep on growing and growing and growing in other words there is a no planet that continuously can generate tons and tons and food for of food the tons and tons our fossil fuel is impossible that type of growth to infinity infinity is impossible so you’re seeing a system our planet is starting to manage in breaking

down so so I mean what are what are the solutions I mean it just seems like you know if if population continues to increase the way it is and you know we’re consuming the resources that were consuming at the current rate and that is supposed to double by 2050 so I mean it seems like we’re just taking more and more from the planet and not putting anything back I mean who I mean Elon Musk seems to be very motivated on creating fossil free energy you know

this so how do we come up with a solution for this mega problem it is it is the biggest problem that we’re currently facing you’re right I I don’t have a great answer I’m thinking about you know elect electricity I’m thinking about the nuclear I’m thinking about the solar energy most likely nuclear has to be handled with care no I mean yeah because nuclear energy is dirty energy right I mean there’s there’s waste that comes from it there’s there’s all kinds

of danger if you’re not you know if there’s a there’s a rupture or leak you’ve got massive problems yeah it’s the B handle with care’ but it could be I mean I wish we could have the power of our Sun that is doing hydrogen fusion every single day and we should we could the fuse do that hydrogen fusion but we can’t we cannot do it because we cannot achieve at the temperature of the Sun that would be a that could be a solution maybe we are

going to harvest at the Sun as for energy and once we depleted the Sun we are gonna go into Alpha Centauri the next near star I’m just thinking out loud right now I mean so so if you know if these other beings exists let’s say aliens exist and they’re aware of you know would they regard us I mean because we’re still at war with each other I mean we’re we still have people who are homeless we’re still dealing with poverty we still you know fight over

religion politics I mean we don’t seem really that advanced I mean if I mean I’ve always think I always think about if aliens you know if if you’re an alien being and you’re floating around space and you think hey let’s go on vacation there’s no alien that’s saying hey let’s go on vacation on earth like there’s no alien that’s saying that you know you don’t think that ever because it seems so turbulent you know it seems like we

have a lot of problems so you know do you think other beings could regard us as primitive we’re just too primitive to contact probably probably I would say so I’m still amazed that we still use propulsion as a way to move around and that is a pretty primitive I’m still at the same time I do believe in the human kind I do believe in this potential I do believe it like you saying the human experience I do believe it there is a great side of

our mind and we need to tap into that has a have more faith maybe be less negative help each other stay together because I think about in one way our consciousness got better even with the user smartphone now we are more social now we can have our own radio show now we can voice what we think much better now we can tweet right away an opinion so I think we are coming together I think there is a there is a something that is a pulling you money together and

we desert together now so we will be able to properly solve and get a better environment a better society for the future i I do I have a great fate a human being to tell you the truth I mean I think you nailed it I think you said I think you know it would require us to unite in some way to collectively address this problem and I think even Ronald Reagan had a had a speech because in the eighties and he said you know we need a common threat

and an external threat like an alien threat it’s very ominous I’m in a speech that he gave but I mean it’s true I mean if we if we have a common problem that maybe unites us like the planet dying where we have no choice but to but it seems like you know people people wait until it you know it’s directly affecting them you know I I’m not near the Amazon so you know I don’t feel the smoke I don’t smell it you know so it’s it’s true at the same time even you know

the water problem we are more aware at the same time we have a more information today so we I mean all you man it on this planet is aware that you know saturated fat are not good so it really then it comes down to your decision of what you put in your mouth because that the information is there right so I do believe we we are getting better we are not perfect but we are on the way to find a good way to collaborate also because there is no other choices or to

tell you the truth otherwise in an asteroid will arrive on earth one like like the dinosaur that seems like it’s just that that’s the direction you know like if if we don’t figure something out eventually I mean I I think I read that it and then use a couple weeks ago there was there’s an asteroid that that went just by earth and it was pretty large large enough but it just missed us yeah yeah quite a lot of quite constantly now

we see more of them because we have a more technology so we can pinpoint them in the past there was more or less the same percentage of asteroid but now we can see them we can trace and awfully we are going to be able to deflect them if they are on a collision course without this planet so that’s the power of technology and they look how fast that is that technology is going it’s really going exponentially its accelerating and expanding like our

universe so sometimes you know there is a such a big parallel between the universe and everyday life a technology in acceleration like our universe accelerating in expansion was there anything that you saw in space that sort of mystified you something maybe a little bit bizarre strange that just puzzled you a little bit actually the reason you know quite a lot but the most important is the most important that I think about it daily is how the universe

maximized a good coincidences the there is a high probability for two atoms in the universe to come together and collide so even if a most space is empty it is a two atom will find a way to collide and they create a star and then planets and here we are again tonight so there is an optimization or good coincidence happening I mean a look at even tonight that we are talking how did it happen what was the coincidence that brought us

tonight in this dialogue so are you saying that it’s like a sort of cosmic butterfly effect today you’re talking about like you know one someone something like that somebody’s a maximization of good coincidence so things happen I mean if you could you know go on explain a little bit further you know what you mean okay I understand two atoms mostly in empty space it’s probably unlikely that two I’d add Ammar gonna collide you know it’s not not the

usual thing so what other things you did you notice the other coincidence about your mom how many eggs had in her ovaries hundreds hundreds and hundreds of eggs yet it took one one good coincidence of one good spermatozoa and there you are and you were born so even in conception is a maximization of coincidence that’s the first time I’ve thought about my mom’s ovaries it’s you know okay so you know I get your point there’s there is a you know there is a

beauty you know there’s a there’s something graceful about the way the universe operates and I mean I have to ask I know you’re a hardcore scientist do you believe in God I actually do not in the god with the beard but I do believe in some organizing power okay so we could call it like source or something like that like a source yes you there is some there is something that escaped my reasoning and it escaped my new run about this universe and this

is something these organizing power these a source can’t be reached by thoughts can it has to be reached some other way it may be art you need to go past this reality and that where I think these organizing power how this universe is structured even the law of physics that is a principle I see every single day my telescope are the same principle that act on my life every single day and what’s funny is that it is a principle I seen the universe cannot be broken they

work everywhere and when you try to break them you only break yourself because a gravity is a law cannot be broken okay okay so let’s get let’s let’s step back a little bit to what you said about you know reaching this point of source you said you said that we have to reach it by going beyond reality yeah beyond our thoughts I mean I think these are these organizing power these are our that from being this energy that from being pure energy become a matter

there’s a source that is unmanifested and then become a manifested cannot be known by our thought I believe can’t be known by scientific data and measurement I think it lies in a different dimension that is not the brain dimension the brain the analytical brain the computational brain the data I think I don’t know how to access it at all we don’t know how to access its beyond that dimension it could be via art you don’t know maybe some artists I saw some

painters they were painting galaxies we don’t even know it some musician probably were even composing the sound of space you just played for our listener there is a dimension that we are not able to tap into or if we tap we go in and outer so we cannot grab it that’s why I just have to believe it that there is an organizing power but according to what I see I think the reason so I do believe in God fascinating you know I’ve had a lot of

scientists on the show and Fiorella this is this is fascinating I’m loving this conversation I really find your your openness to these concepts you know really engaging it’s really refreshing to hear you know someone that is that is done the work and put this math into all this to you know sort of entertain these theories at least you know and give them a chance well let me run by to you a couple of idea then okay please because I’m collecting them a

photo for a book I love to year what do you think so do you feel like you’re always a transforming and evolving like the universe yes so there you have it or so you have the same quality do you think that you as a human being can only be known by thoughts or to get to know you I need also to fill your heart the energy you emanate yeah I mean it’s it’s yeah it’s the energy and and being physically around me to get to know me truly it couldn’t be just by thought I

would have to be some physical physical physical so you see that’s the same that’s was telling you about the universe the universe can’t be known only by thoughts these are transcendental to thoughts that dimension that I’m talking about we have to find a key to get into there okay okay so you know just I’m just openly thinking about this and and wondering what you think is well you know what all psychedelics you know when we’ve talked

to researchers scientists ethno pharmacologists who study the DMT molecule and there seems to be some sort of relationship into entering this an altered dimension this alternate reality I mean do you think do you think it could be through psychedelics well according to dr. Timothy Leary which as you know I worked with dr. Leary he started the research have a universe on the effect of LSD and it’s a property you know even to cure depression I’m not

an expert into that but I would say that perhaps for scientific research it could help us it could help a scientist to form a new idea maybe to review her theory I’m just you know thinking out loud it could be away I mean even Albert Crick I think it was recorded that he was micro dosing when he visualized the double helix you know DNA right so correct I would say I’m not the personal drugs probably I would prefer to encourage you to use maybe

meditation the meditation to access a different reality probably constant meditation because you read about certain meditation certain mantra certain way you speak certain words that have a really amazing power and probably I would encourage more meditation mantras and theories to look into that and that’s a personally what I do my meditation is to look up to these infinite the universe every single time I can even if I the City Light of Miami

that’s my meditation even through music I’m able to unlock a door on these scientifical universe that perhaps just the via analytical mind and analytical brain I will not be able to I find also myself using my body as as a key to enter that reality my Jordan yeah Yoga ecstasy also it acts as a different dimension through which then I can review some scientific finding studies theory so we have a lot of tools we just we are not used to think of them so we

think that the chemically-induced that we can do better but I actually believe we have it all within ourselves because I see that in the universe the universe has everything in itself okay so I mean let’s let’s focus on meditation then you know and let’s talk about types of meditation that a person could use in the different states that that a person can enter I mean I have studied meditation for a very long time and how have you heard of out-of-body

experiences through meditation yes I do is there any scientific correlation between the out-of-body experience and you know how is that possible that I’m perceiving something external that you know like how am i how is that how can that be happening I’m just thinking of loud to your question this out-of-body experience induced state you get to that state by some you know meditation technique or in noses in that state you can access a

very precious information I believe that then you need to keep that information and use your analytical power to interpret it to those data in my case as a physicist I need to access that is accurate the state these out-of-body experience these noses and first I had to remember what I saw and then I have to interpret the what I saw using analytical mind means I have to prove it and then disprove it and then approve it again so I’m telling you this one

because I don’t want you to I don’t want you to hear that what I’m saying is that the true after estate or out-of-body experience we are gonna find the answer for the universe because even if you have it then you have to prove it scientifically right that’s the scientific methodology right so the results have to be reproducible correct unless you want to be an artist unless you want to compose music you wanna create a screenplay then

you have a limited way to interpret that as a scientist I need to grab a data dimension that I saw and put it into some form that every scientist across the planet that can repeat the experiment to confirm it so it’s complex is not that simple the scientific methodology is it’s very important because it’s across all a denominator across all planet and I’m a scientist so I needed to build a new science it’s really fascinating the work

you’re doing in the the openness like I said is it’s really remarkable you know you get into virtual reality I think we should cover that before we close here in a few minutes I mean it’s VR is something that you’re pretty big into I mean um you mentioned living inside of computers before but virtual reality and and senses this this theme of interacting and viewing things and in new ways so you know how can how can VR systems you incorporate these

these senses and and kind of allow our consciousness to exist inside of you know computer well the planetarium I would like to build at Florida International University it will be like a real planetarium but then the user will you be in a virtual reality so they will see all the solar system it is a planet in it in 3d in this virtual reality environment that will allow my student or the user to interact with it within the planetarium

you will also smell the planet Mars will smell like a gunpowder you will also be able to taste the planet yes you will be able to taste a little bit of ammonia from a Jupiter and Saturn when you are gonna approach the planet so this is a five sense of virtual environment the planetarium which I believe is the new way of teaching is a virtual reality where the student is a fully immersed and I do believe also that the truth is a type of technology we will access a

new knowledge I also believe we are on the verge to discover new physics new law of physics our physics book I believe it will be written pretty pretty soon because a new discovery are being made but technology virtual reality even Bionic we will be Bionic I will not need to Google anymore thank goodness Google will be in the back of my brain attached to my brain the microphone will be not hanging from a year will be straight into my tooth I can’t wait to be Bionic

instant a recall of a database I mean I’m double sorry I’m double minded about this you know I’m not sure how ready I am to transfer my consciousness into a machine and live forever it sounds like a horrifying thing I mean I you know I just I don’t know I don’t know how comfortable I feel with that right now I and I’m not sure how much I want you know a microchip in the back of my head and you know pulling up information random information all the time you know

I just so I don’t know there’s a resistance to that a little bit you know from from my side of things but I can see how you know this is the future we are moving into this realm of transhumanism where people are ready to you know jump and leap into this this realm of virtual reality existing through virtual reality and I mean even today already today people are already in that state it’s just you know it’s just slower because we have these devices in our

hands you know if we could wear a device that was very wearable or you know that we could turn on that was that was already implanted and we could be in that state we would be in that seat all the time you know because people don’t even look up from their phones when when you pass them on the street so you know it’s we’re already there while you are seeing though they did the bed of these mobile looking down and social media and all of that it actually

I think is gonna turn around is gonna be give us a lot of freedom we will have a more friends but what I was saying was that the use of technology for a better man betterment of the human condition because I’m tired to wear glasses so if a salmon is gonna offer me a new retina a new lens and I don’t have to go through cataract I would take that and follow me if I can see better you’re better I would like that but of course you know there is an

attachment for myself to don’t get me wrong go to who I am so it’s it’s a it’s a it’s a doll I’m a little bit right now but I I think a technology could be a good key for as a human being for the future I mean it is the future I mean whether I like it or not we’re going we’re going in that direction it’s happening either way it’s to happen in every way correct happening in acceleration in acceleration it seems like it’s getting

faster and faster and faster as we as we go along right so I mean we covered a lot of different things in this show is there anything that I haven’t asked you that you want to talk about our mention no just you know keep on looking up believe in yourself you have it all within you are like really a universe within so go for for your dream don’t give up perseverance and again just keep looking up such a great such a great interview

transy where can people find your work where can they go to your website I know there’s a heavenly knowledge book that came out a while ago any plans to write a new book maybe yes I would like to write the principle we discussed today a book about the life lesson of the universal and I would like also to release a new music compilation of new songs on Spotify so a lot of things have been including a virtual reality app from a student a virtual book quite a

lot of great things happening and where can people go yeah you know maybe a Google fear I letter NC or so there is a my website and Wikipedia check me out the Florida International University I’m pretty reachable on the internet pretty easy to find very good we’ll make that link available Fiorella just hang tight for me let me just do this close and and we’re gonna talk for i want to talk to you just for a second hang tight guys

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