Transcript for Kostas Danaos – The Magus of Java


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ladies and gentlemen welcome to yet

another live episode of the human

experience

I’m actually really starting to like

these live episodes that we’ve been

doing for you guys our guest today is

a very phenomenal story he dove

headfirst into a very curious quest that

we are going to hear right now

my guests name is Kostas Denis and the

book is called The Magus of Java the

teachings of an authentic Taoist

immortal costa’s my good sir welcome to

hxb thank you is a very nice to here

so<font color=”#CCCCCC”> costless I read this</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> book</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> last night<

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>and Wow</font>

I mean it’s it’s truly<font color=”#E5E5E5″> a fascinating</font>

read<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I gotta</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> ask</font>

well let’s it lets you know I’m getting

right into<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the cut of it but let’s let’s</font>

let’s back up a<font color=”#E5E5E5″> little bit you what was</font>

was a few let’s tell the audience a

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>little bit</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> about yourself</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> and who you</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>are please</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> well that’s a complex</font>

question<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I like to think I’m just a a</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>simple person who is interested</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> in a lot</font>

of<font color=”#E5E5E5″> different</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> things I’ve done</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> martial</font>

arts forever<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I have degrees</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> in two</font>

fields<font color=”#CCCCCC”> of</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> engineering I’ve worked for</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>the defense industry for the software</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>industry</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I’ve worked in academia</font>

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at the<font color=”#E5E5E5″> moment I’m working</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> for the</font>

software industry in an<font color=”#E5E5E5″> executive</font>

position<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you know</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> I’m just a guy that</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>likes</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> to</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> do a lot of different</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> things</font>

hmm you know<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it’s it’s intriguing so so</font>

then you know<font color=”#E5E5E5″> tell me</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> let’s bring it</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>into you know this</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> this call into action</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>you know the story arc of this journey</font>

this quest<font color=”#E5E5E5″> for you that began for you</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>because you know you you</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> did you I</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> mean</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>by trade you you work you’re an engineer</font>

you’re scientist<font color=”#E5E5E5″> right</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I mean</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> would you</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>call</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> yourself a skeptic I would no I</font>

think my mind<font color=”#E5E5E5″> is much more</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> open to that</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>I would I would call myself somebody</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>that would like</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> to</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> see logic prevail as</font>

opposed to you know belief okay

understood<font color=”#CCCCCC”> so you know before you</font>

started this<font color=”#CCCCCC”> journey it</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> was more you</font>

know<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you but</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you were you know you were</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>an</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> engineer so you wanted to</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> see that</font>

the logic of things well you<font color=”#CCCCCC”> know</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that’s</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>the case this particular journey has to</font>

do with<font color=”#E5E5E5″> a with</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> a conversation we had</font>

when<font color=”#E5E5E5″> we were offline is that if you</font>

remember<font color=”#CCCCCC”> we discussed why you were</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> doing</font>

this<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and you said you wanted to know</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>more about life at that time I had</font>

worked<font color=”#E5E5E5″> in the</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> defense industry for a</font>

number<font color=”#CCCCCC”> of years and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> it was right after</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>the first Iraq war</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> so I was also</font>

questioning the<font color=”#CCCCCC”> quote-unquote meaning of</font>

life and wanted to look<font color=”#E5E5E5″> into a lot of</font>

different things and<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that’s basically</font>

what what began this quest<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that was</font>

trying<font color=”#CCCCCC”> to find</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> some answers</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> to questions</font>

I think<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that have played all</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> of us for a</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>very long time okay so let’s get let’s</font>

get into it<font color=”#E5E5E5″> then</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> so John Chiang</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you know</font>

right there<font color=”#E5E5E5″> here’s I saw him I saw him</font>

on<font color=”#CCCCCC”> a documentary you said you</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> saw him</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> on</font>

a documentary<font color=”#CCCCCC”> tell us tell us about the</font>

documentary<font color=”#E5E5E5″> what what moved you</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> to and</font>

drop everything and go<font color=”#CCCCCC”> to Indonesia well</font>

like I<font color=”#E5E5E5″> said I heard I had</font>

already dropped<font color=”#E5E5E5″> everything</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> just</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> prior</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> to</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>that and and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> I was in a phase where</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I</font>

was looking<font color=”#E5E5E5″> for answers and it just</font>

happened that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I saw this</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> documentary on</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>television and thought that wow this is</font>

really<font color=”#CCCCCC”> intriguing I’ve</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> I’ve got the time</font>

I’ve got<font color=”#CCCCCC”> the money why not when I look</font>

around and see<font color=”#CCCCCC”> if I can find anything</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>there and and what I saw was</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> documentary</font>

by<font color=”#E5E5E5″> two brothers for the BBC talking to</font>

and a Chinese Indonesian

acupuncturist<font color=”#E5E5E5″> who was doing amazing</font>

things<font color=”#E5E5E5″> with his body let’s say trolling</font>

the the energies of<font color=”#CCCCCC”> his body he was able</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>to generate an electric current and use</font>

it both to heal and as a means<font color=”#E5E5E5″> of</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>defense okay</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> and there was but in in the</font>

documentary<font color=”#CCCCCC”> itself there there were</font>

these<font color=”#E5E5E5″> things that you noticed and it</font>

compelled you to<font color=”#E5E5E5″> find him</font>

yeah there were<font color=”#CCCCCC”> okay speaking</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> as an</font>

engineer<font color=”#CCCCCC”> for example the</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> the reaction</font>

that one of the Blair brothers had on

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>touching him</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> could not be readily</font>

replicated<font color=”#CCCCCC”> it was very natural there</font>

were other things that convinced<font color=”#CCCCCC”> me that</font>

it hadn’t been staged<font color=”#CCCCCC”> more</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> so</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> because I</font>

understand a little bit<font color=”#E5E5E5″> also</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> about how</font>

things could<font color=”#E5E5E5″> be staged and how the</font>

wiring<font color=”#E5E5E5″> would have to work in order for</font>

it to in any case the the<font color=”#E5E5E5″> documentary</font>

convinced me I<font color=”#E5E5E5″> got on a plane and wound</font>

up in Indonesia<font color=”#E5E5E5″> okay so so lay the stage</font>

for<font color=”#CCCCCC”> us you you’re in Indonesia</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> do you</font>

have any idea of where you’re going<font color=”#CCCCCC”> or</font>

not in clue<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I don’t speak a word at the</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>language I’ve never been to Indonesia</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>before I knew two things</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> number one that</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>he was Chinese and therefore if you</font>

understand the the culture<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and the</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>history of</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the nation you know</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that</font>

this particular demographic lives in

very<font color=”#CCCCCC”> segregated communities so the first</font>

thing<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that I did when I went</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to Jakarta</font>

is tried<font color=”#CCCCCC”> to find where the Chinese lived</font>

and then again logic as we said<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I</font>

reasoned if there has to be a temple

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>where where somebody knows about this</font>

man so I very deliberately set out<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to</font>

find<font color=”#CCCCCC”> a Chinese</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> neighborhood which was</font>

glowed oak and and find a Taoist temple

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>and started asking</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> questions</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> like a</font>

moron<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you know</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> hi I’m a dumb foreigner</font>

here I<font color=”#E5E5E5″> don’t speak a word of your</font>

language but<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I’m looking for</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> this guy do</font>

you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> know</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> him and it</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> kind of worked after</font>

a while so and eventually you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> get to</font>

what I<font color=”#E5E5E5″> would call you know the</font>

gatekeepers<font color=”#E5E5E5″> like people who are sort of</font>

on the outskirts<font color=”#CCCCCC”> of learning from</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> John</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>the master John Chiang directly and</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>they’re screening</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you they’re vetting</font>

you exactly they thought I was a spy

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>from the CIA</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> okay I mean and so you know</font>

so eventually<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you get to meet this guy</font>

that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you’ve been looking</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> for</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> this whole</font>

time John Chiang

the master correct<font color=”#CCCCCC”> and you know what was</font>

your<font color=”#CCCCCC”> what was</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> your</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> impression of</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> of him</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>I remember being stunned</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> he you know</font>

he’s a very<font color=”#E5E5E5″> small man I’m six-two and he</font>

was about half that<font color=”#CCCCCC”> size very humble</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>very unassuming</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> also very wealthy to</font>

make a point<font color=”#E5E5E5″> he had managed to make</font>

quite a fortune<font color=”#CCCCCC”> in the trade business</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>import/export and and therefore</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> he would</font>

offer his acupuncture services for free

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>every day to anyone that walked through</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>his</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> door so he by means of introductions</font>

showed me the<font color=”#CCCCCC”> energy that he could</font>

generate<font color=”#CCCCCC”> he asked me if I had any</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>particular problems I had some</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>tendinitis serious tendinitis at</font>

time<font color=”#E5E5E5″> so he treated me for that and and</font>

that<font color=”#CCCCCC”> was a quite an experience let’s say</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>feeling that basically it’s like being</font>

connected<font color=”#CCCCCC”> to a an outlet an electrical</font>

outlet<font color=”#E5E5E5″> than it going on and on and on</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>right I</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> mean I’m glad you mentioned</font>

electricity because you know<font color=”#E5E5E5″> 300 years</font>

ago

anyone that talked about electricity we

would call<font color=”#E5E5E5″> them and we would call them</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>crazy you</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> would</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> say what</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> are you talking</font>

about<font color=”#E5E5E5″> so so you know so you you you’re</font>

you’re experiencing this this healing

did you feel as<font color=”#E5E5E5″> if there was something</font>

special<font color=”#E5E5E5″> about this man when you met him</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>and when you encountered him when I saw</font>

him<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I mean if he was</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> walking down the</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>street sure</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I wouldn’t look twice at</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>okay</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> okay there was there was there was</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>nothing that that distinguished him from</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>anyone else at what point in this did</font>

you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> decide I want to apprentice with</font>

this person<font color=”#CCCCCC”> well I wanted to</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> impress</font>

with him before I went<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to Indonesia that</font>

was the whole point<font color=”#CCCCCC”> then I wanted</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to</font>

figure<font color=”#CCCCCC”> out</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> how he could do that</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I had</font>

studied Tibetan Buddhism for a number of

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>years before then</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> where similar physical</font>

phenomena manifest as heat so the the<font color=”#CCCCCC”> to</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>mo meditation had been documented by</font>

Herbert Benson of Harvard going all the

way back<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to 1981 and and again the</font>

interesting<font color=”#E5E5E5″> thing with</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> a two mimetic</font>

meditation is<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that it also disrupts the</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>boundaries</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> of what is considered</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>possible for human physiology</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> because if</font>

you know these monks generate<font color=”#E5E5E5″> intense</font>

heat<font color=”#CCCCCC”> and protect themselves and cold at</font>

a very high<font color=”#CCCCCC”> altitude and the tests</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that</font>

they use is<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that they have to dry seven</font>

sheets if I remember correctly so

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>they’re in the middle of</font>

of a<font color=”#E5E5E5″> winter field in the snow at 5,000</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>meters elevation and you know the the</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>novices go and they dip blankets in in</font>

freezing cold<font color=”#CCCCCC”> water and then</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> they put</font>

them<font color=”#E5E5E5″> on these monks and and</font>

documentaries actually show heat rising

you know as<font color=”#CCCCCC”> there’s the water</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> evaporates</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>and to get the title of</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> Rapa to be able</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>to qualify for for their their senior</font>

status<font color=”#E5E5E5″> they they have to dry seven</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>sheets if I remember correctly don’t</font>

hold me to<font color=”#E5E5E5″> this because it’s been</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> a long</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>time but but I knew that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that the mind</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>could affect human physiology and exceed</font>

the boundaries because<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I had direct</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>experience of that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> even before I went to</font>

to see John<font color=”#CCCCCC”> Chiang and so his particular</font>

manifestation of that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> of of the power of</font>

the mind was was quite intriguing

because it couldn’t be used for

therapeutic<font color=”#CCCCCC”> purposes it could</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> be used</font>

for martial purposes it was let’s say

one step more than the capabilities of

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>the monks if you exclude enlightenment</font>

from<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the from the picture because what</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>the monks are doing are for religious</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>reasons</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> they’re they’re trying to</font>

dissolve the<font color=”#CCCCCC”> nots of the of their</font>

internal<font color=”#E5E5E5″> makeup so</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that they can reach</font>

enlightenment<font color=”#E5E5E5″> be the multiply method is</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>something that’s a</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> little</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> bit different</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>similar but different</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> okay so I just I</font>

just<font color=”#E5E5E5″> played this video of John Chiang</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> he has his</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> hand over</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> this newspaper</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>and he sets it on fire</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> yeah you know how</font>

how would<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you say he’s doing this what</font>

what is this<font color=”#CCCCCC”> energy called that he’s</font>

using<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> energy that he’s using</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> is</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>called Chi theoretically what he does is</font>

that<font color=”#CCCCCC”> he provides it</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> in such a</font>

concentrated<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and and focused amount that</font>

he’s<font color=”#CCCCCC”> able to</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> generate the the</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> heat</font>

the required heat to to set the the

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>paper on fire</font>

there are a number<font color=”#E5E5E5″> of videos of him</font>

being tested by scientists<font color=”#E5E5E5″> for the</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>electro generation</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> which is a term that</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>I coined</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you could you know</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> by just</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>extend</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that verified let’s say</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> a</font>

Bolivian say that he can<font color=”#E5E5E5″> focus it like a</font>

laser and<font color=”#E5E5E5″> set a newspaper on fire</font>

so this is the cheese in internal energy

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>it’s it’s like an internal electricity</font>

that there’s a positive<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and negative</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>force that he’s transmitting</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> externally</font>

out of his body are you<font color=”#CCCCCC”> asking me as a</font>

physicist are you asking me<font color=”#CCCCCC”> it’s cost us</font>

are you asking me<font color=”#CCCCCC”> what how are</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you</font>

asking me<font color=”#CCCCCC”> -</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> I’m asking</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> in your own</font>

experience you know what what what is

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>what is going</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> on here</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I mean well it</font>

feels like<font color=”#E5E5E5″> electricity but it’s not</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>measurable on a voltmeter or amp meter</font>

and he was only able<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to light a</font>

particular type of LED<font color=”#E5E5E5″> so I don’t know</font>

what it<font color=”#E5E5E5″> is or how it</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> meant how do you</font>

move your hand<font color=”#E5E5E5″> mm-hmm yeah yeah so no</font>

seriously<font color=”#CCCCCC”> Xavier how do you move</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> your</font>

hand<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I mean</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> it’s just an electrical</font>

signal<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that I’m sending</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> it’s an</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>electrical signal that you know your</font>

brain generates<font color=”#E5E5E5″> right the electrical</font>

signal that<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I know</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> runs</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> thanks</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> right and</font>

are you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> thinking</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> at first and then it</font>

happens or I mean<font color=”#E5E5E5″> how do you decide to</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>move your hand who are you yeah is it is</font>

it<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the neurons that are firing in order</font>

to so you know you start<font color=”#E5E5E5″> going</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> into</font>

questions like this and you’re you’re

really<font color=”#CCCCCC”> asking questions about</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> the</font>

fundamental nature<font color=”#E5E5E5″> of our existence</font>

between do we exist independent of<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>physical form I mean do</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you decide</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to</font>

move your hand<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the instant that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> the</font>

neurons are fired and if so why are

those neurons firing who tells them what

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>to do right</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you know and and and if if</font>

this is a<font color=”#E5E5E5″> question that can be answered</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>is it the same energy</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> is it the same</font>

medium that<font color=”#CCCCCC”> is the</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> electricity that</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>we’ve</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> measured</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that courses through our</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>neurons I don’t know I can’t answer any</font>

of these questions I mean it’s just<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the</font>

idle speculation<font color=”#E5E5E5″> so you know this you</font>

know John<font color=”#E5E5E5″> Chiang this master that you</font>

studied under he he said was he any

different<font color=”#CCCCCC”> did he pretend</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to be any</font>

different than anyone<font color=”#E5E5E5″> else did he did he</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>claim</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> himself to be superhuman or any of</font>

those<font color=”#E5E5E5″> things</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> define super you’re</font>

superhuman<font color=”#CCCCCC”> with some sort of special</font>

ability<font color=”#E5E5E5″> like some so maybe it’s a</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>genetic mutation that allows him him</font>

special<font color=”#CCCCCC”> powers no so this is</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> something</font>

he was not he was not<font color=”#E5E5E5″> born that way he</font>

attained it through practice<font color=”#CCCCCC”> and</font>

perseverance<font color=”#E5E5E5″> okay so so would you say</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>that it’s possible for anyone to attain</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>this ability these</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> abilities I</font>

definitely say that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it’s not possible</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>for</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> anyone to attain any more than it is</font>

possible<font color=”#CCCCCC”> for anyone</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> become a a</font>

Tibetan Buddhist<font color=”#CCCCCC”> trêpa</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> or a fighter</font>

pilot<font color=”#CCCCCC”> there are certain</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> prerequisites</font>

that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> have to be</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> in</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> place in order for a</font>

person to qualify<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to be able to complete</font>

the training and assume the role<font color=”#E5E5E5″> a lot</font>

of people wash out<font color=”#CCCCCC”> a lot of people get</font>

hurt and<font color=”#CCCCCC”> it’s the</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> training is very</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>dangerous I know in for</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> example in</font>

Tibetan<font color=”#CCCCCC”> Buddhism I believe it was one in</font>

seven that succeeded<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and I can tell you</font>

from the multi training that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> a lot of</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>people that sick that I know some of</font>

them are dead so you know it’s it’s<font color=”#CCCCCC”> not</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>no not everyone can can complete this</font>

training the same way that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> not everyone</font>

can become a heavyweight champion<font color=”#E5E5E5″> of the</font>

world in the same<font color=”#E5E5E5″> way not everyone can</font>

become a fighter pilot<font color=”#CCCCCC”> there there</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> are</font>

prerequisites that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> have to</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> be put in</font>

place<font color=”#CCCCCC”> in order for someone to to</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> achieve</font>

this I don’t<font color=”#E5E5E5″> know what they are I</font>

couldn’t tell you you know that there’s

no<font color=”#E5E5E5″> characterization of what’s required</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>in</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> order</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> be able</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to be like this so</font>

you would you would<font color=”#CCCCCC”> liken it to like an</font>

Olympic athlete<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that</font>

is highly specialized in what they do

they focus they’ve trained they’ve

whether it’s meditation<font color=”#E5E5E5″> or something</font>

else<font color=”#CCCCCC”> it’s something they’ve practiced</font>

over<font color=”#CCCCCC”> and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> over and they’re just good at</font>

doing yeah I would put it beyond that

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>I’m 60 years old I’ve been playing</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> music</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>for 53 years I’m terrible at it</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> so no</font>

amount<font color=”#E5E5E5″> of practice for perseverance has</font>

ever allowed<font color=”#CCCCCC”> me to become a musician the</font>

way that I<font color=”#E5E5E5″> would like</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> to be therefore</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>there is a genetic component to it a</font>

karmic<font color=”#E5E5E5″> if you will you know there’s</font>

there’s<font color=”#CCCCCC”> just something that says</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that</font>

you are<font color=”#E5E5E5″> born</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> to do</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> this particular thing</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>in addition</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> to all the training</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> and</font>

perseverance and whatnot<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you’re</font>

going<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to put into it okay so let’s let’s</font>

step back a little<font color=”#E5E5E5″> bit</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> okay so at</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> some</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>point</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you know like you you you</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> ask</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>master Chang</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> to take you on as an</font>

apprentice<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and he he</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> just says no to you</font>

right and how long did that go on how

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>long did he tell</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you no forty days and</font>

was he testing something<font color=”#E5E5E5″> in you was</font>

there something he was giving you some

sort<font color=”#E5E5E5″> of challenge to overcome</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> with that</font>

beats me<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I showed up at his doorstep</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>every</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> day for 40</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> days</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> he treated me for</font>

free he fed<font color=”#CCCCCC”> me and sent me home and</font>

every day I asked him<font color=”#E5E5E5″> again</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> will you</font>

accept me doesn’t know so you just<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you</font>

know you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> just kept coming back and yeah</font>

you weren’t gonna<font color=”#E5E5E5″> leave well I would</font>

have left the ventually but no<font color=”#CCCCCC”> III</font>

didn’t<font color=”#CCCCCC”> leave in the timeframe</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that he</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>thought and and it was actually</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> quite</font>

touching<font color=”#E5E5E5″> because when he said yes</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I said</font>

you know finally expecting<font color=”#E5E5E5″> okay here it</font>

is<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and now where am I gonna go this</font>

weekend<font color=”#E5E5E5″> okay it’s been you know it was</font>

like<font color=”#CCCCCC”> a Friday or something</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> like that</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I</font>

said<font color=”#CCCCCC”> like it’s really</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> cool you know</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I</font>

haven’t<font color=”#E5E5E5″> been</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> here and I know he’s not</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>here so and oh by the way will</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you</font>

accept me you know will you

I didn’t say accept me as a<font color=”#CCCCCC”> student I</font>

said

I want you to reconsider<font color=”#E5E5E5″> about teaching</font>

me or something like<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> I don’t</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>remember the exact wording and then he</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>came</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> back</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> and said actually I’m already</font>

teaching<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you and then you know it was a</font>

shock<font color=”#CCCCCC”> and really</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> okay yeah so so when he</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>offered to</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> treat your joint problems</font>

that was your first experience<font color=”#E5E5E5″> of his</font>

ability to heal<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that’s correct</font>

and did you did you find<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that you you</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>experienced you know something</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> oh yeah</font>

oh yeah<font color=”#E5E5E5″> he got he got rid of the pain</font>

and<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> tendonitis</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> at the time and what</font>

did<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it feel like</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I mean was an</font>

electrical current<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you felt</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> was</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>been running through your body or what</font>

what sensation did you have most

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>certainly it felt like an electrical</font>

current<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and it hurt like</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> hell</font>

huh you know you know I think<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it’s I</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>think</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> it’s interesting that this would</font>

you call it an art form<font color=”#CCCCCC”> which I mean</font>

what is<font color=”#CCCCCC”> it it’s a practice right</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> but I</font>

mean<font color=”#CCCCCC”> is it a type because it’s it’s</font>

mixed with martial arts and there seems

to be this parallel of healing<font color=”#E5E5E5″> but</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> also</font>

you know combat<font color=”#CCCCCC”> yeah I don’t</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> think</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that</font>

they differentiated between the two

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>there’s</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> there are some things</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> about</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>China that people don’t really</font>

understand and and and we have<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that</font>

problem<font color=”#E5E5E5″> today in general that our sense</font>

of history has been forgotten<font color=”#E5E5E5″> so you</font>

have to understand this<font color=”#CCCCCC”> is the the</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> age</font>

of<font color=”#E5E5E5″> empires still right I mean all the</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>way up to the early</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> 20th century what</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>what we grew up with</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I’m talking about</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>people</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> in my generation I won’t even</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>touch</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> what</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> what what younger people</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>experienced but we grew up very</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> much in</font>

the era of nation-states and of the<font color=”#E5E5E5″> Cold</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>War so you know there were lines that</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>that were firmly put in place but in the</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>age of empires before then so you had a</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>distribution of</font>

Chinese nationals throughout the Pacific

Rim<font color=”#E5E5E5″> without a clear distinction that you</font>

know I’m an<font color=”#E5E5E5″> Indonesian or I’m a melee</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> or</font>

I’m or a native<font color=”#CCCCCC”> Chinese or I’m Taiwanese</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>or they were</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> just spread all over</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> and</font>

one could argue about<font color=”#E5E5E5″> San</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> Francisco the</font>

same way<font color=”#E5E5E5″> too so what this caused is a</font>

tremendous diffusion<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and dispersion</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> of</font>

the knowledge<font color=”#CCCCCC”> base</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> so China is was never</font>

one thing back then there were

distinguishing characteristics<font color=”#E5E5E5″> as much</font>

as there are<font color=”#E5E5E5″> between a Norwegian and a</font>

Greek say you know<font color=”#CCCCCC”> was a could be</font>

entirely different<font color=”#CCCCCC”> cultures within</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> a</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>different</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> within</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the same</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> geography also</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>they are not a people who are selfless</font>

my experience with the<font color=”#E5E5E5″> Chinese is that</font>

pretty<font color=”#E5E5E5″> much personal gain is considered</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>very much above everything else now with</font>

a Confucian ethic that diverts backwards

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>to the seniors</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> in the family</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> then to the</font>

seniors in<font color=”#E5E5E5″> a tribe and the ancestors</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> and</font>

so<font color=”#E5E5E5″> forth and so</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> on but what that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> means</font>

is that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> information</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> was not shared very</font>

readily<font color=”#E5E5E5″> because knowledge</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> is power so</font>

what the experience that<font color=”#CCCCCC”> people</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> have</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>today of acupuncture of Chinese medicine</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>was a an attempt an attempt by Mao</font>

Zedong<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to normalize</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> who to</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> westernize if</font>

you will the knowledge base and what he

did is he<font color=”#E5E5E5″> took different cultural</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>traditions and and tried to fuse</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> them</font>

together to make a central<font color=”#E5E5E5″> axis well</font>

that’s like you know<font color=”#E5E5E5″> trying</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> to fuse wrap</font>

with<font color=”#CCCCCC”> country-western with classical yeah</font>

maybe it’ll<font color=”#CCCCCC”> work out</font>

great<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you know I mean I’ve heard some</font>

some songs that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> attempt this type</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> of</font>

thing and<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and it’s wonderful but I’ve</font>

also heard a lot<font color=”#CCCCCC”> of crap from people who</font>

are<font color=”#E5E5E5″> trying to do this thing</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> so when</font>

you’re trying to<font color=”#E5E5E5″> fuse different</font>

conditions at different traditions

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>different knowledge</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> bases</font>

by force<font color=”#CCCCCC”> nominally it doesn’t work and</font>

and<font color=”#E5E5E5″> this</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> is the China</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that that John</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>Chiang</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> grew up in so it wasn’t a China</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>where there’s Malaysian Indonesia and</font>

China<font color=”#E5E5E5″> Nara the entire Pacific</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> Rim</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> was</font>

settled by Chinese they were<font color=”#E5E5E5″> cultural</font>

groups in the<font color=”#E5E5E5″> Diaspora that kept in</font>

touch<font color=”#CCCCCC”> with each other</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that knew</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> each</font>

other that were from a particular<font color=”#E5E5E5″> region</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>that believed in different things and</font>

this knowledge was selectively<font color=”#E5E5E5″> dispersed</font>

to members of<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the community</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> they</font>

chose<font color=”#E5E5E5″> never broadly never never</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> widely</font>

across and and you can see that

everywhere<font color=”#E5E5E5″> there there are a lot of</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>effects a lot of examples of</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> this being</font>

the<font color=”#CCCCCC”> case</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> I’m good friends with master</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>sense er one of the chen</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that tradition</font>

who was also my teacher for a number<font color=”#E5E5E5″> of</font>

years<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> to hear his stories</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> of the way</font>

that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> he was brought</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> up in in chen</font>

village and the way he learned<font color=”#CCCCCC”> Taichi</font>

and how its taught today<font color=”#E5E5E5″> even by him you</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>know through the government agencies</font>

it’s exactly what I just described so

you know you have something<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that’s a</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>close-knit family tradition where maybe</font>

the real knowledge<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the particular</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>details</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> because you know let’s</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> face it</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>if you’re if</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you’re trying to</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> solve an</font>

algebraic equation and you’re<font color=”#E5E5E5″> missing</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>two</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> of the denominators you’re not going</font>

to<font color=”#E5E5E5″> solve it ever you know you need to</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>have</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> a complete</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> picture</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> sure so a lot of</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>the problems we have in the West with</font>

understanding this type of these types

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>of practices whether they be Tibetan or</font>

Chinese or<font color=”#CCCCCC”> something else</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> is that they</font>

were never normalized they were never

structured to<font color=”#CCCCCC”> be taught</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> they were never</font>

disseminated in a broad manner they were

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>always passed on you know in very</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>close-knit groups</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> so you don’t really</font>

know what you’re getting<font color=”#CCCCCC”> what</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you’re</font>

seeing what<font color=”#E5E5E5″> your there’s no</font>

characterization<font color=”#CCCCCC”> of</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> it you can’t go to a</font>

university<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and get your degree</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> in this</font>

and choose<font color=”#E5E5E5″> what courses no that hasn’t</font>

been<font color=”#E5E5E5″> done</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> it’s folk medicine and</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>it reminds</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> me of sort of like the caste</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>system in India</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> yeah but there were no</font>

castes<font color=”#CCCCCC”> it was a</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> family thing you know</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> it</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>was</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> little groups of people</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that decided</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>that they liked</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> each other you know</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> and</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>then the caste might have been fighting</font>

within<font color=”#E5E5E5″> themselves you know I mean if you</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>if you read the book the</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> stories</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that</font>

John<font color=”#CCCCCC”> Chiang was telling me most of these</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>people didn’t like each other they were</font>

they were fighting<font color=”#E5E5E5″> each other trying to</font>

kill<font color=”#CCCCCC”> each</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> other you</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> know what</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to see to</font>

prove who was<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the most powerful so it</font>

was very<font color=”#CCCCCC”> different from what what we</font>

expect and part<font color=”#E5E5E5″> of the problems</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that we</font>

have with<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> in the West is that</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> we</font>

try<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to project our</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> own cultural</font>

background our own<font color=”#E5E5E5″> conclusions our own</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>expectations if you will on their</font>

particular cultural<font color=”#CCCCCC”> subset and it just</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>doesn’t work I appreciate I appreciate</font>

the macrocosmic sort of perspective<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you</font>

know something I meant to ask you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> what</font>

year was it<font color=”#CCCCCC”> when you went to Java</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>Indonesia what 1994 so I mean it was a</font>

different time<font color=”#CCCCCC”> back then oh absolutely</font>

in what sense was it<font color=”#E5E5E5″> different okay I</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>think I’ve just been talking all about</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>all that but the world was was very</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>different</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> before</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the end of</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> the Cold War</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>and transitioned into the 90s and</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>completely changed again after 9/11 so</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>it was</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> different in that there</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> wasn’t as</font>

much violence around the world<font color=”#E5E5E5″> as there</font>

was we had<font color=”#E5E5E5″> just</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> gone</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> through a very</font>

strong period of growth and<font color=”#E5E5E5″> development</font>

which was<font color=”#CCCCCC”> the</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> 60s through the 80s</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> it was</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>a boom time but for example when I went</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>there in 94</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the next year Indonesia</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> was</font>

caught in an insurrection where they

were<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the populace was turning against</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>the both</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> the Chinese</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> and against</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> Suharto</font>

who the dictator who had supported<font color=”#E5E5E5″> them</font>

for for<font color=”#E5E5E5″> 40 years so many of</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> my brother</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>students at that</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> time were</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> caught up in</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>the riots I mean I witnessed the riots</font>

myself you know<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that people were hiding</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>in there</font>

and they couldn’t come out<font color=”#E5E5E5″> or</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> their</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>their livelihoods were being smashed and</font>

and this<font color=”#E5E5E5″> is a transition that that that</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>you could see from one moment to the</font>

next<font color=”#CCCCCC”> it was a different</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> world in that</font>

back then people were were still let’s

say at the tail<font color=”#CCCCCC”> end of the of the spirit</font>

that was first developed in<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the 60s</font>

which was one of<font color=”#E5E5E5″> sharing and transition</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>and trying to look out for for</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> each</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>other and and now I’m afraid</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that that’s</font>

no longer<font color=”#E5E5E5″> there okay and you know it</font>

didn’t worry<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you like you you weren’t</font>

afraid<font color=”#E5E5E5″> about you know going into this</font>

this<font color=”#E5E5E5″> country not having any idea you</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>just kind of went for it I used to do</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>that for a living</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> so I wasn’t really</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>particularly</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> afraid of that no okay</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> so</font>

so let’s let’s<font color=”#E5E5E5″> move back</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> into you know</font>

the system of<font color=”#E5E5E5″> learning that you</font>

encountered<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and you know there there are</font>

levels<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to this system correct how many</font>

levels are there<font color=”#CCCCCC”> 72</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> if I remember</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>correctly and you completed the whole 72</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>oh no God no no no no no no not</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> even</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>close why such a sharp</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> reaction what the</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>the I think at</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that time John</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> Chiang</font>

might have been level 18<font color=”#CCCCCC”> if I</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> remember</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>correctly so what level did you get to</font>

that’s personal information<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I’d love</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>share</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> it but so many</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> people want to know</font>

the answer to<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that question that the</font>

smug<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and belligerent parts</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> a part of me</font>

wants me to<font color=”#E5E5E5″> not tell you that although</font>

it’s not<font color=”#E5E5E5″> a big deal but</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you know because</font>

people<font color=”#E5E5E5″> like to turn it into a</font>

competition<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you know</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> my guy reached this</font>

level your guy didn’t<font color=”#E5E5E5″> sir</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>sure</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I’ve never answer that okay so</font>

would<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you relate this level system to</font>

the chakra<font color=”#CCCCCC”> system in the in the human</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>body</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> to some</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> extent yes more so to the</font>

chakra and Nadi system than the<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and the</font>

chakra<font color=”#CCCCCC”> system itself</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> so like I</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> said I’ve</font>

also studied

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>Tibetan</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> Naropa yoga’s which are very</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>much focused</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> on the 7 centerline chakras</font>

these the<font color=”#CCCCCC”> multi-system is more focused</font>

on<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the peripheral points all around</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the</font>

center line as<font color=”#E5E5E5″> well as</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the center line</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>but but but it’s a bit more diverse and</font>

distributed it has different end goals

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>then the system that again has been</font>

brought<font color=”#CCCCCC”> to</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> the west and popularized</font>

through<font color=”#E5E5E5″> almost</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> a hundred</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> years</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> now of</font>

writings of esoteric authors so<font color=”#CCCCCC”> mm-hmm</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>ok</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> ok</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> so</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> so level</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> one let’s</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> start with</font>

level one<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I mean this this involves</font>

filling<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the simple simple meditation</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>that’s all this information and</font>

breathing meditation and breathing

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>proper breathing coupled with meditation</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>ok level two</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> mm-hmm pressurizing</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the Qi</font>

that you have filled your Dantan with in

level<font color=”#CCCCCC”> one until it becomes a hard little</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>ball and then starting to move that ball</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>left right up and down</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> ok in this ex</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>it’s</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> actually not to do one more time in</font>

a<font color=”#E5E5E5″> different way please so you’re you’re</font>

pushing out<font color=”#E5E5E5″> a ball of energy through the</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>Dantan</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> like up you are you’re you’re</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> ok</font>

so I imagine<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that most of your listeners</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>know what the</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> Dunton is so let’s imagine</font>

that you have a<font color=”#E5E5E5″> dunk in which one of the</font>

multi seniors postulated was the end of

the<font color=”#CCCCCC”> umbilical cord when when were a baby</font>

so therefore one of<font color=”#CCCCCC”> the first cells</font>

formed in the human body<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and you</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> filled</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> up</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> with Chi</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> whatever she is and</font>

then once you’re filled you start

compressing it so that it<font color=”#E5E5E5″> becomes a</font>

little<font color=”#CCCCCC”> hard ball and you do that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> with</font>

specific breathing breath retention and

meditation again

okay okay<font color=”#CCCCCC”> and so and then you start</font>

moving<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it around you start</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> moving it</font>

around so<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that for example</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you can drive</font>

your that energy into<font color=”#E5E5E5″> your hands into</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>your legs you</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> control where it’s flowing</font>

so you know what’s<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> difference</font>

between yin and yang I mean there’s

there’s there’s<font color=”#E5E5E5″> this – there’s it’s like</font>

a positive<font color=”#CCCCCC”> and negative flow</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> right</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> very</font>

easy question<font color=”#CCCCCC”> to answer</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you know what</font>

the Sun is<font color=”#CCCCCC”> right sure</font>

great<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you see it every morning do you</font>

know what a black<font color=”#CCCCCC”> hole is</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> yeah it’s uh</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>you know a point of gravitational pull</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>that’s larger</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> than you know even light</font>

can’t escape it<font color=”#E5E5E5″> right</font>

it’s a pronounced concentration of a

gravitational well and such that the

mass actually collapses within the the

hole<font color=”#CCCCCC”> so there’s you know</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> it’s</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> it</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> has</font>

infinite mass let’s say so but you’ve

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>never seen one because if you</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> did you’d</font>

be dead because<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> couldn’t get</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> close</font>

to one so we postulate what it is

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>because a very brilliant mathematician</font>

described it<font color=”#CCCCCC”> to us using</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> a language</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that</font>

can<font color=”#CCCCCC”> be replicated</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> through our</font>

disciplines through<font color=”#E5E5E5″> Western science and</font>

mathematics<font color=”#E5E5E5″> but I think it was just</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>recently that a an optical image of a</font>

black<font color=”#CCCCCC”> hole was for the first</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> time made</font>

public right<font color=”#E5E5E5″> so it looks</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> like we</font>

expected it to<font color=”#E5E5E5″> so Union</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> Yang is like</font>

that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> yang</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> is the</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> Sun which you can see</font>

you know it’s there you can feel its

energy<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you go lay on</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> a beach you know</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>what all the Sun is about but can you</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>really tell me what gravity is</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> I mean</font>

how can you describe it maybe it pulls

you down yeah so<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you know it’s effects</font>

but<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you don’t really know what it is do</font>

you<font color=”#CCCCCC”> and in a black hole is even worse</font>

you couldn’t describe it to save<font color=”#E5E5E5″> your</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>life so yin is like that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> and</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> Jung</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> is</font>

like the Sun okay<font color=”#E5E5E5″> okay so so what’s</font>

happening<font color=”#E5E5E5″> in the human body when you’re</font>

channeling<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I mean which which of the</font>

energy are you

only young only<font color=”#CCCCCC”> young so</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> so young is the</font>

the creative force would you say that’s

correct<font color=”#E5E5E5″> yeah</font>

in order to channel<font color=”#CCCCCC”> Yin you have to be</font>

like John<font color=”#CCCCCC”> Chang</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that’s that’s the whole</font>

point of the of the discipline is to<font color=”#E5E5E5″> be</font>

able<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to control the yin force as well</font>

the rest of<font color=”#E5E5E5″> us can only control young so</font>

in level<font color=”#CCCCCC”> 2</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> the students were tested</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>through the usage of telekinesis if you</font>

want to call it that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> yeah</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> ok you were</font>

you’re removing objects with your mind

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>no we were trying to push our Chi to a</font>

suitable<font color=”#CCCCCC”> distance where it can generates</font>

a<font color=”#CCCCCC”> feeble enough force to blow over</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> a</font>

piece of<font color=”#CCCCCC”> paper</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> so you were moving</font>

objects<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I mean with this energy</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> right</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>not with my mind I wasn’t sitting there</font>

and concentrating<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and they would just</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>fall</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> over okay it took</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> it</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> took a lot of</font>

physical<font color=”#CCCCCC”> effort in order</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> for it to</font>

happen<font color=”#CCCCCC”> just describe the</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> process I mean</font>

so you you’re pushing out this young

force out<font color=”#CCCCCC”> of</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> the done</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> Tien and then into</font>

the up to your heart<font color=”#E5E5E5″> up to your heart</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>you you pull it in from your</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> Don</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> 10 up</font>

to<font color=”#E5E5E5″> your heart and then out</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> of your palm</font>

towards the particular<font color=”#E5E5E5″> object in</font>

question<font color=”#E5E5E5″> okay and you know how long did</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>it take you to get</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to this point where</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>you were able to physically impact or</font>

effect an object Oh<font color=”#E5E5E5″> quite a number of</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>years five or six years what did the</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>training involved like well you know</font>

what were you doing inside<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you know what</font>

were you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> meditating on you were doing</font>

breathing<font color=”#E5E5E5″> compression breath retention</font>

and meditation you weren’t praying<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to</font>

anything it was it was purely a

physiological transformation<font color=”#E5E5E5″> within the</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>no mantras no prayers no nothing like</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>that you hold your</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> breath you move a</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>certain way you do</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> certain movements you</font>

try to push the energy<font color=”#CCCCCC”> out your palm how</font>

you know how long did it take you to<font color=”#CCCCCC”> get</font>

to<font color=”#CCCCCC”> a point where you moved you know</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> a</font>

pack of cigarettes for example I don’t

think I’ve ever moved<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the pack of</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>cigarettes</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> it was a video alert</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> okay</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>know it was a</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> video card you know with</font>

you<font color=”#CCCCCC”> remember video cassettes these</font>

things<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that we used to plug into video</font>

players you know block<font color=”#CCCCCC”> blockbuster and</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>all that way back</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> in the day yeah so</font>

everyone<font color=”#CCCCCC”> had those</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> things laying around</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>and that’s what we used how long I</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> don’t</font>

to<font color=”#E5E5E5″> be honest I don’t remember Savior it</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>I could you know whatever</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> I’d be telling</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>you now would</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> be I’d be reaching</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> four</font>

years<font color=”#E5E5E5″> five years</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> something like that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> but</font>

it wasn’t<font color=”#CCCCCC”> 20 years I mean it was</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> yeah it</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>was a reasonable</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> amount of time but you</font>

I<font color=”#E5E5E5″> mean you saw you saw John</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you saw</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> it</font>

you saw him levitate<font color=”#CCCCCC”> mm-hmm you</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> I mean</font>

he was he was off<font color=”#CCCCCC”> of the ground</font>

levitating so yes<font color=”#CCCCCC”> he was he was pushing</font>

this energy<font color=”#E5E5E5″> what underneath his feet and</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>it was holding him up in the air no clue</font>

no<font color=”#CCCCCC”> clue</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> and and how do you know that he</font>

was<font color=”#E5E5E5″> levitating or making me see him</font>

levitate<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you know yeah I don’t</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> know it</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>wasn’t done in a lab you know I mean I</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>was</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> just describing</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> things that I saw an</font>

experience that’s that’s it’s<font color=”#CCCCCC”> really</font>

funny<font color=”#E5E5E5″> because most of the people that I</font>

discussed the book with for<font color=”#E5E5E5″> example they</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>say you know you wrote that the John’s</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>master had a fight with the other guy</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>and they they tore a forest around you</font>

know the<font color=”#E5E5E5″> jungle down around them I said</font>

yep<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> he goes that can’t be true</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> and</font>

well I don’t<font color=”#CCCCCC”> know if it’s true</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> or not I</font>

was sitting on<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the guy’s porch and he</font>

was telling<font color=”#CCCCCC”> me</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> a story and</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that’s</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> what</font>

the book<font color=”#E5E5E5″> is saying you know I mean</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>whether or not it’s true I doubt that</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>even he knows he heard it from his</font>

teacher so you you<font color=”#CCCCCC”> have to differentiate</font>

between<font color=”#E5E5E5″> what regardless of</font>

whether or not<font color=”#E5E5E5″> is written in the book is</font>

a personal<font color=”#CCCCCC”> experience I mean I cannot</font>

say what<font color=”#E5E5E5″> is</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> true and what is not true</font>

other than<font color=”#CCCCCC”> the things</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that I have tested</font>

myself scientifically so in this<font color=”#E5E5E5″> case I</font>

can tell you that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I saw this and yep</font>

so<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it’s</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> impaired I mean we’re</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> not we’re</font>

not sadly that’s<font color=”#E5E5E5″> a good word we’re not</font>

you know we’re<font color=”#CCCCCC”> not able to test this</font>

objectively we we can’t even<font color=”#E5E5E5″> reproduce</font>

the results<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you know accurately enough</font>

to say this<font color=”#CCCCCC”> is what was</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> going on correct</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>however other disciplines such</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> as</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>tibetan do mo have been tested in the</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>lab there was a which anyone can read if</font>

you look up herbert Benson’s work going

all the way back<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> 1981 a couple years</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>ago</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> think it was 2005</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> yogi called</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>Peleliu Johnny from in India went into a</font>

testing<font color=”#CCCCCC”> chamber and didn’t eat and</font>

didn’t drink<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and didn’t pee for about</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>forty days until</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> he got tired and he ran</font>

off<font color=”#CCCCCC”> and these things have been</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>clinically documented I mean these</font>

people<font color=”#E5E5E5″> agreed to to do it in the</font>

laboratory<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and therefore their parts of</font>

the literature<font color=”#E5E5E5″> so you know what what can</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>I say for for for John as far as</font>

clinical trials are concerned<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I know</font>

that he’s<font color=”#E5E5E5″> been tested with machinery by</font>

multiple scientists it’s<font color=”#CCCCCC”> online also as</font>

far as the<font color=”#CCCCCC”> electro generation is</font>

concerned and I know what I saw was my

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>co student</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> Honda was leg which was</font>

thinner than my<font color=”#CCCCCC”> wrists crippled by by</font>

polio<font color=”#E5E5E5″> at the age of four and over a</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>period of three years</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> it became a normal</font>

leg so that’s something<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that I will</font>

never<font color=”#E5E5E5″> forget that’s clinically</font>

documented because the man has his

before<font color=”#CCCCCC”> and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> after</font>

examinations<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and and it should it’s it’s</font>

not unfortunately<font color=”#CCCCCC”> part</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> of the literature</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>but it should be but that’s something</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>that I can testify to seeing</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> myself is</font>

hard evidence and<font color=”#E5E5E5″> knowing it’s true</font>

because<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you know like the Apostle Thomas</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>I put my hands on</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> it you know I saw it I</font>

measured it it happened in<font color=”#CCCCCC”> front of me</font>

it wasn’t<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it couldn’t have been hypnosis</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>it couldn’t have been hysteria it</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>couldn’t have been a</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> magician’s trickery</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>you know I mean David playing</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> David</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>Blaine levitated</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> what’s the other guy’s</font>

name of the other Dave<font color=”#E5E5E5″> Darren brown no</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>no another David Copperfield</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> David</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>Copperfield levitated</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you know sure</font>

so yeah<font color=”#E5E5E5″> they did it lots of people</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> saw</font>

them<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you know I mean</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> it’s unless</font>

something is established in a laboratory

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>it’s simply an empirical first-person</font>

experience and and should not<font color=”#E5E5E5″> be</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>considered more than that</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> okay fair</font>

enough<font color=”#E5E5E5″> so so I mean so why write</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the</font>

book then I mean why why spread this

information<font color=”#CCCCCC”> very good question very good</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>question probably the the</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> best question</font>

I’ve ever been asked so since in the

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>last</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> 15</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> years</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> maybe</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> even the last</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> 20</font>

years<font color=”#CCCCCC”> very</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> many things bad things</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that</font>

far wiser<font color=”#E5E5E5″> more knowledgeable and</font>

certainly<font color=”#E5E5E5″> more talented</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> people and</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>myself had foreseen</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that we’re coming</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>are happening okay the the environment</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>is degrading we filled the oceans with</font>

plastics climate changes<font color=”#E5E5E5″> can no longer</font>

be contested human society has<font color=”#CCCCCC”> become us</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>versus them on all fronts</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> we are</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>entering into a period that I long ago</font>

called<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the decline and it’s a cyclical</font>

thing<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it happens</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I saw it coming</font>

in the 90s<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I wanted</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to do my</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> part to to</font>

combat it I foolishly thought<font color=”#E5E5E5″> being a</font>

younger<font color=”#E5E5E5″> man at the time that</font>

trying to emphasize spirituality in<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the</font>

world would prevent<font color=”#E5E5E5″> or contribute</font>

towards ameliorating<font color=”#CCCCCC”> the effects of what</font>

I saw<font color=”#CCCCCC”> coming but unfortunately the the</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>opposition is</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> is far better organized</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> well wishers and we need to deal</font>

with<font color=”#CCCCCC”> what’s happening now and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> we need to</font>

deal with<font color=”#CCCCCC”> it</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> aggressively I was just</font>

hoping<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that I could</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> do my</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> part to</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to</font>

have people consider that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> a what you’re</font>

living<font color=”#E5E5E5″> is is not all there</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> is that</font>

there’s much more to<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you to society to</font>

our<font color=”#CCCCCC”> potential to</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you know to anything</font>

that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> we can hope for okay so so</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the book</font>

for<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you was written as a sort of message</font>

to humanity<font color=”#CCCCCC”> in a way that sounds far</font>

more pompous than<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I than I intended but</font>

but yeah that’s that’s<font color=”#E5E5E5″> pretty much it</font>

you<font color=”#CCCCCC”> know it’s just the it was a a letter</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>of hope let’s say a missive of hope that</font>

you know did it<font color=”#CCCCCC”> work</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> it helped a lot of</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>people I don’t know what it means to you</font>

know did<font color=”#CCCCCC”> it work</font>

when in<font color=”#CCCCCC”> the initial stages of</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> being</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>closest annouce it was very popular a</font>

lot<font color=”#E5E5E5″> of people wrote me very touching</font>

letters about<font color=”#E5E5E5″> how it affected their</font>

lives<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I think</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I personally helped quite</font>

a few people<font color=”#CCCCCC”> maybe a</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> couple</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> hundred with</font>

with<font color=”#E5E5E5″> different things and then it just</font>

became<font color=”#CCCCCC”> too much</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> because the the demands</font>

of of people far exceed<font color=”#E5E5E5″> one’s</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> capacity</font>

to to help them and and I couldn’t<font color=”#E5E5E5″> cope</font>

anymore so<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I just you know closed that</font>

part of my life<font color=”#CCCCCC”> down and and reverted</font>

back to<font color=”#E5E5E5″> being a normal</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> person</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> okay so I</font>

mean<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I mean we talked a little bit about</font>

this just in in the small<font color=”#E5E5E5″> amount of</font>

contact that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> we have had</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> before the show</font>

and you said<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that you changed you know</font>

got something for you changed

so what<font color=”#E5E5E5″> changed</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I saw that the</font>

opposition<font color=”#CCCCCC”> was a lot stronger than I had</font>

originally<font color=”#E5E5E5″> estimated that it was and the</font>

opposition being the the forces<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>tends to drive humanity towards</font>

complacency<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and towards barbarism than</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>them towards growth and towards darkness</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>well we call it what</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you will you know</font>

there’s a<font color=”#E5E5E5″> parable from the Greek</font>

Orthodox<font color=”#CCCCCC”> Church</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> where there’s the</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> Saint</font>

that’s praying and he asks an angel to

show him a vision<font color=”#E5E5E5″> of hell and the angel</font>

takes him to a<font color=”#E5E5E5″> place where</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> there’s these</font>

people<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that are sitting</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> around the table</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>the table is</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> full of anything</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that they</font>

can imagine<font color=”#CCCCCC”> to eat and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> drink</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> but they’re</font>

all starving to death<font color=”#CCCCCC”> because they are</font>

forced to<font color=”#CCCCCC”> use these very long spoons</font>

that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> they can’t reach their</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> mouth so</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>while</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> they have all these food and</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> drink</font>

in front<font color=”#E5E5E5″> of them there they’re all</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>hungry in and I’m cursing and wailing</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>and you know the rest and then he asked</font>

him<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to show him heaven and it’s exactly</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>the same scene except the</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> people are</font>

using<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the spoons to feed each other</font>

because the length<font color=”#E5E5E5″> of the spoon is so</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>much that you can reach the</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> person</font>

across from<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you on the table and</font>

everybody<font color=”#E5E5E5″> was happy and smiling in this</font>

net so what what I’ve seen in<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the world</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>in in the last</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> 20 years is that</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>unfortunately the</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> forces the energy</font>

the the<font color=”#E5E5E5″> societal trends if you will that</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>want us</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to not help each other</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> have</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>become far more powerful than those that</font>

want us to<font color=”#E5E5E5″> help each other so I mean for</font>

you it was a process of disillusionment

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>would you say</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that you’re disillusioned</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>no no I’m not</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> the solution</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I’m still</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>very much teaching a small group of</font>

people<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I’m</font>

I’m actually a contributor<font color=”#CCCCCC”> to some</font>

things for NATO<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I do a lot of work with</font>

the Greek<font color=”#CCCCCC”> military</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you know</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I have my</font>

life I live my life with with my friends

and then I try<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to help</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> whoever I can</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>what I became aware</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> of is that efforts</font>

like those initiated<font color=”#E5E5E5″> by Costa</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> Danaus</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>need there they’re not the world is not</font>

set up<font color=”#CCCCCC”> to</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> receive them in a general way</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>first off because people want</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to take a</font>

pill and and become John Chiang<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I mean</font>

let’s<font color=”#E5E5E5″> say</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I received a</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> hundred thousand</font>

letters and and out of those ninety nine

thousand nine hundred<font color=”#CCCCCC”> and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> ninety-eight</font>

were asking me<font color=”#E5E5E5″> for John chance</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>addressing Indonesia because they just</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>knew that you know it was their</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> turn to</font>

to go there and<font color=”#CCCCCC”> become you know</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> the next</font>

heir apparent and and<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and the master of</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>the universe because the the problem</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>with the the story of</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the Magus</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> of Java</font>

is that it offered power and and truly

John Chiang

was a very powerful<font color=”#E5E5E5″> man he was the the</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>doctor for the dictator Suharto</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> he was</font>

treating the the Sultan of Brunei<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you</font>

know he was very<font color=”#E5E5E5″> very well known and</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> he</font>

moved freely among the wealthy of

Southeast Asia at<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the time though he</font>

himself<font color=”#E5E5E5″> has started out as a</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> simple taxi</font>

driver you<font color=”#CCCCCC”> know he had never</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> studied</font>

then and it<font color=”#E5E5E5″> was quite touching that one</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>of his ambitions was to try</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> to get a</font>

college<font color=”#CCCCCC”> degree so the the world that he</font>

lived in allowed for him to do<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that the</font>

world that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> we live</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> in</font>

I don’t think tolerates this type of

thing what we need to get much more

smarter<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and and much more humble and and</font>

understand that we actually<font color=”#CCCCCC”> do need to</font>

to feed each<font color=”#E5E5E5″> other with a long spoon</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>across the table</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> if we’re</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> going to</font>

all the<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the very serious</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> problems that</font>

are facing us<font color=”#E5E5E5″> nowadays so I got a lot</font>

smarter<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I concentrate on those that I</font>

can<font color=”#CCCCCC”> offer my my best efforts to I still</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>try to</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> help the world</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> but I do it</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you</font>

know<font color=”#E5E5E5″> in a more simple fashion than that</font>

that was dreamed of by<font color=”#CCCCCC”> my costed</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>announcer you know I find it fascinating</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>the whole experience the reading the</font>

book<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and you know what I mean you it was</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>it was a very ambitious effort that you</font>

had was too ambitious<font color=”#E5E5E5″> too ambitious</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>exactly</font>

I mean why why would you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> say</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that I</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> mean</font>

I I think<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I mean I</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> think it took a</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> lot</font>

of<font color=”#CCCCCC”> ambition</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to it wasn’t strategic</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>Savior this is the the age where we need</font>

to<font color=”#CCCCCC”> to program</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> our campaigns and and</font>

spread them out across<font color=”#CCCCCC”> long distances</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> in</font>

time we’ve made<font color=”#CCCCCC”> mistakes as a species</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>that we need to survive and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> what’s</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>coming over the next</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> ten years will be</font>

far worse<font color=”#CCCCCC”> than the previous ten bad</font>

things are coming<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and so what we need</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> to</font>

do is hunker down<font color=”#CCCCCC”> right out the storm</font>

and I hope when the dust clears we’ll be

able<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to pick</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> up the pieces and continue</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>where we</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> were and proceed to</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> the next</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>plateau when you when you say bad things</font>

are coming

mm-hm<font color=”#CCCCCC”> are you talking about</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you know</font>

recent events like this push towards<font color=”#E5E5E5″> war</font>

with Iran I mean what are<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you talking</font>

about when you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> say bad things well let’s</font>

let’s take war off the table<font color=”#CCCCCC”> because you</font>

never know when war<font color=”#CCCCCC”> is gonna come or go</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>if you read all the strategic analysis</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>they’ve been put out in the</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> next over</font>

the past three years<font color=”#E5E5E5″> everybody is</font>

expecting<font color=”#E5E5E5″> a major war but let’s just go</font>

let’s stay with the climate you<font color=”#CCCCCC”> know I</font>

mean you

at the moment<font color=”#CCCCCC”> there’s a hundred people</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>100 million people in Nigeria of which</font>

70 million can’t feed themselves<font color=”#CCCCCC”> where</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>they gonna go what are we gonna do with</font>

them<font color=”#CCCCCC”> well I can tell</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you what’s gonna</font>

happen they’re<font color=”#E5E5E5″> gonna come north to</font>

Europe<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and that’s gonna cause a lot of</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>social strife which we’re already seeing</font>

yeah<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and what are we gonna do are we</font>

gonna push them in<font color=”#CCCCCC”> the sea are we gonna</font>

open<font color=”#CCCCCC”> up our arms and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> welcome them are we</font>

going to you know do what<font color=”#E5E5E5″> build a well</font>

guess is<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it could</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> be maybe that you</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> know</font>

I mean<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you you’ve heard that in the US</font>

so and it’s a<font color=”#E5E5E5″> little bit of the same</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>thing but these pressures that we’ve put</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>on our ecosystem</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> and our societal</font>

structures are<font color=”#CCCCCC”> going to reach a peak</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>probably over the next five to</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> six years</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>and then things are gonna</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> get</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> very bad</font>

and then<font color=”#E5E5E5″> hopefully things will get a lot</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>better so what I think is that because</font>

technology will<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I remember from my</font>

chemical engineering degree one of the

major factors<font color=”#E5E5E5″> were</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the quote unquote</font>

kinetics of an equation of<font color=”#E5E5E5″> a reaction</font>

and<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> was how fast a particular</font>

reaction<font color=”#E5E5E5″> takes in order to to</font>

materialize so the<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the kinetics of the</font>

degradation now are stronger than<font color=”#E5E5E5″> our</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>capacity to to deal with them but maybe</font>

technology<font color=”#E5E5E5″> will predict will continue to</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>advance to the point where we can</font>

actively turn things around and<font color=”#CCCCCC”> then</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>you’ll see the the kinetics going the</font>

other way and<font color=”#CCCCCC”> then</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> we can reclaim our</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>civilization so you know so you think</font>

you<font color=”#CCCCCC”> think it’s it’s</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> going to get much</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>worse</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> until it gets better</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> well as far</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>as what’s going on ecologically with</font>

population the explosion<font color=”#E5E5E5″> of population</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>I’m convinced of</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that because I mean I</font>

don’t necessarily<font color=”#E5E5E5″> disagree with you I</font>

mean<font color=”#E5E5E5″> a part of me</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> really wants to be an</font>

idealist about everything that’s<font color=”#CCCCCC”> going</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>on in the world but it’s it’s harder and</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>harder to be that way because everything</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>is so connected</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> we know we we seem to</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>know</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> more about things than ever before</font>

but you know we we claim to<font color=”#E5E5E5″> be connected</font>

via social<font color=”#CCCCCC”> media Facebook Twitter</font>

updates<font color=”#E5E5E5″> but we don’t talk to</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> our</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>neighbor</font>

we don’t look<font color=”#E5E5E5″> at each other</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> in the eye</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>anymore</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you know</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> and it’s it’s as</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> if</font>

systemically<font color=”#E5E5E5″> things have changed when</font>

when you when<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you talk to someone in</font>

person<font color=”#CCCCCC”> they’re so used to</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> just texting</font>

you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it’s almost like it creates a sense</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>of anxiety for them there you go</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you</font>

you’ve just expanded very clearly and

I’m part of the<font color=”#CCCCCC”> problem yeah so so this</font>

this<font color=”#E5E5E5″> association is also</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> part of it</font>

there’s a lot<font color=”#CCCCCC”> of things it’s a fractal</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>problem it’s not something</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that you know</font>

you can identify<font color=”#E5E5E5″> well you can identify</font>

it but<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you can’t say you know this is it</font>

because<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it’s there’s so many</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> components</font>

due to the change the<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the paradigm</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> shift</font>

that we’ve gone through and and we

haven’t really<font color=”#CCCCCC”> been in</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> a position to</font>

either deal with<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it or understand its</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>long-term</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> effects and therefore things</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>are gonna get worse</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> before</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> they can</font>

clear up<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it’s not the first time this</font>

has happened<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you know I mean you if you</font>

look<font color=”#E5E5E5″> at the history</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> of humanity</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> even</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> in</font>

the<font color=”#E5E5E5″> last couple hundred</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> years paradigm</font>

shifts like<font color=”#E5E5E5″> this have</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> come around</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> and</font>

and and<font color=”#E5E5E5″> brought sure you know lots of</font>

change and then in different periods

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>with them you know two world wars</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>because of them for example it you know</font>

so I<font color=”#E5E5E5″> mean the Vedas called this the Kali</font>

the<font color=”#CCCCCC”> age of the Kali Yuga and I know we</font>

were taught we were talking to Graham

Hancock last week and I think<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I read</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>somewhere in his work that</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> there was</font>

there was going<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to be this end of the</font>

Kali Yuga<font color=”#E5E5E5″> somewhere around 2022 was</font>

where we were gonna be reaching sort of

the end of this cycle<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and as you said it</font>

is<font color=”#CCCCCC”> a cyclical process that happens</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> in</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>cycles yes</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> so I call it here’s one for</font>

you<font color=”#CCCCCC”> for your listeners okay it’s not a</font>

cyclical cycle it’s a helical cycle<font color=”#E5E5E5″> okay</font>

so we’re always advancing and yet we’re

not<font color=”#E5E5E5″> learning from our mistakes and going</font>

through the same same<font color=”#CCCCCC”> thing you know</font>

kind of<font color=”#E5E5E5″> where we’re going through the</font>

dark and light periods of this<font color=”#CCCCCC”> advanced</font>

always a<font color=”#E5E5E5″> little bit further</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> along but</font>

still doomed to<font color=”#CCCCCC”> go back through the same</font>

morass if you will<font color=”#E5E5E5″> now here’s what’s</font>

what’s really interesting about this<font color=”#CCCCCC”> the</font>

Greek<font color=”#E5E5E5″> word for for evolution is exciting</font>

see<font color=”#CCCCCC”> ok which which means</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> from the helix</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>ok</font>

it’s an ancient<font color=”#E5E5E5″> word and what was the</font>

helix<font color=”#E5E5E5″> were they talking</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> about</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> what I</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>just talked or did they know what DNA</font>

was because DNA<font color=”#E5E5E5″> of course is helical so</font>

again if you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> look at things fractally</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>macro cosmically and micro cosmically</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>you know you see the same spiral</font>

manifesting itself<font color=”#E5E5E5″> always all</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> over and</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>everything that we do who knows</font>

you know maybe<font color=”#CCCCCC”> will come through</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> the</font>

curve and<font color=”#CCCCCC”> proceed up to the next Plateau</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>so I mean I mean obviously this whole</font>

quest<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it put you on this journey you</font>

know whether it<font color=”#E5E5E5″> was an internal</font>

awakening that you experienced I mean

most<font color=”#CCCCCC”> people don’t</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> really experience</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>people you know levitating setting</font>

things on fire<font color=”#E5E5E5″> or these other things you</font>

know so do you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> think do you I mean</font>

certainly<font color=”#CCCCCC”> this had an</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> impact on your</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>life</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that changed you forever it</font>

certainly had an<font color=”#CCCCCC”> impact on my life did</font>

it changed me forever<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> don’t think so</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>I don’t know I’ve I’ve always been kind</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>of that way like trying to</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> define</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>different</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> things it’s it</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> certainly</font>

provided me with enhanced awareness<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and</font>

certainly gave me greater experiences<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I</font>

think<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I’m still pretty much</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> the</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> same</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>person I</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> was</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> when I was a teenager I</font>

mean I always<font color=”#E5E5E5″> had</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the the same kind</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> of</font>

worries<font color=”#CCCCCC”> and quests and</font>

looking around for<font color=”#CCCCCC”> four different things</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>I don’t</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> think it’s fundamentally changed</font>

my<font color=”#CCCCCC”> personality I am very happy that I</font>

experienced it<font color=”#CCCCCC”> but but then again</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>know it’s it wasn’t an apostle paul</font>

moment I didn’t encounter Jesus on the

road<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and I didn’t laminator no no it was</font>

it was one more thing<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that that I said</font>

Wow<font color=”#CCCCCC”> okay way cool</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> and then let’s just</font>

keep walking that’s<font color=”#E5E5E5″> really intriguing</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I</font>

you know I didn’t<font color=”#CCCCCC”> expect that I didn’t</font>

expect<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that from I’m like what did you</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>ever find out what happened</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> to Master</font>

Chong<font color=”#CCCCCC”> oh he’s on Facebook oh yeah</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> his</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>whole family no I mean it’s not again</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>this is you have to take the Luke</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>Skywalker although I you know I make fun</font>

of<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that all the time but he said these</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>are very you know</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the people have normal</font>

lives<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you know it’s just</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> it’s</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> just a</font>

part of<font color=”#CCCCCC”> what they do is is</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> also this you</font>

know it’s<font color=”#E5E5E5″> like if you’re</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> a musician</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>got in a gig and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> then you come home and</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>watch</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> TV</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you know I mean this it just</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>happens</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you know it’s I mean there</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> is a</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>very mystical quality to all this</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> stuff</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>I mean there there are seekers people</font>

who are out there<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that are meditating</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>and they’re they’re</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> looking for answers</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>and part of this is understanding this</font>

this<font color=”#E5E5E5″> energy system that’s in within the</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>human</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> body that scientists yet to give a</font>

language to it’s getting very very

closer much closer we’re understanding

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>the effects of the mind on the body much</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>more than we ever did</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> fundamentally</font>

we’re beginning to to realize<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that that</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>the mind can affect the body in ways</font>

that were hitherto deemed<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you know</font>

unacceptable or<font color=”#E5E5E5″> madness or whatever you</font>

want<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to call it basically what we’ve</font>

established and what we are in<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>process of establishing</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> it would be</font>

better is<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that if you fundamentally</font>

believe something with all your your

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>heart you can</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> effect physiological</font>

changes on<font color=”#CCCCCC”> your body now</font>

I don’t think<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that anyone can can</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>disregard that</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> nowadays the question is</font>

why are you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> doing it you</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> know I</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> mean are</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>you are you studying Tibetan to mow</font>

meditation<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to stay</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> warm</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> in the in the</font>

snow<font color=”#E5E5E5″> by a down jacket</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> it’s you know it’s</font>

it’s it’s<font color=”#CCCCCC”> a</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> lot cheaper you know you</font>

don’t spend all this time on<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it you know</font>

the yeah there’s so many other things<font color=”#CCCCCC”> to</font>

do I mean if why are you doing this

that’s that’s a key question<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I’ve been</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>privileged in in this life to meet more</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>than one person that was considered a</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>holy by his respective culture I mean I</font>

I I’m Greek<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and and I had the privilege</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>of meeting a man</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> who was now considered</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>a saint st. Pius</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> yoson and I saw some</font>

wonderful things<font color=”#E5E5E5″> with him as well</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> he</font>

wasn’t<font color=”#CCCCCC”> a saint at the time it was</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> just a</font>

monk<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that was you know living in</font>

seclusion<font color=”#CCCCCC”> he became a saint much after</font>

he died I<font color=”#E5E5E5″> don’t think there was any</font>

distinction<font color=”#CCCCCC”> between the man and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> and</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> His</font>

image but but the point is is<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that all</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>the people that I’ve seen that had these</font>

gifts or<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you know the the things that we</font>

want<font color=”#CCCCCC”> to the say were so outside of of</font>

conventional reality<font color=”#E5E5E5″> were very simple</font>

playing people you know<font color=”#CCCCCC”> john chiang</font>

loved to watch football<font color=”#CCCCCC”> on TV</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> was</font>

his thing<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> know so it wasn’t a</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>tibetan temple with the</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> lamas you know</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>singing</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> their their their mantras it</font>

wasn’t anything up on a pedestal it was

you know<font color=”#E5E5E5″> like</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> i</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> was telling</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> before</font>

we started the the program it was more

like jaded<font color=”#CCCCCC”> luke I mean his concern was</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>how he was</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> going</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to milk the whatever it</font>

was in the<font color=”#CCCCCC”> morning in order</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to get his</font>

morning breakfast

wasn’t that he was<font color=”#E5E5E5″> any different it</font>

wasn’t<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that it wasn’t in an organized</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>Jedi Temple with all the ring bells and</font>

whistles<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and external trappings you know</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>and in one sense I see that far more</font>

healthy than<font color=”#E5E5E5″> than the ritual and and the</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>pompous grandiosity that’s associated</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>with the latter in many respects one</font>

thing that<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that turned me off so much</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>was that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> well</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> Joanie but I wrote a</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> book</font>

called cutting<font color=”#E5E5E5″> through spiritual</font>

materialism<font color=”#CCCCCC”> where he put forth the first</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>time that I read it the the theory</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>a lot of people follow spirituality</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>because they cannot feed their ego</font>

otherwise<font color=”#E5E5E5″> in life okay you know right I</font>

have<font color=”#E5E5E5″> never managed to do anything much</font>

with with my life<font color=”#E5E5E5″> but you know I’m a</font>

ninth<font color=”#E5E5E5″> level guru of this yoga system</font>

blah blah blah<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that that is a very</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>serious mistake and and that was the</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>experience that I had with when I</font>

courted my I had my brief flirtation

with<font color=”#E5E5E5″> Fame</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> it was that most of the the</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>people that were coming to me didn’t</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>really want to study or or do the</font>

training<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that I had done they</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> wanted to</font>

feed their<font color=”#CCCCCC”> own egos and that is a</font>

fundamental very very very poisonous

mistake so you felt that this was a

search for just you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> know an ego thing</font>

like you know<font color=”#E5E5E5″> power-hungry</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> truck for me</font>

or for<font color=”#CCCCCC”> those other people that we’re</font>

looking<font color=”#CCCCCC”> for this</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> a large portion of that</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>yes they wanted some type of power to</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>enhance their status in life and all of</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>these are in the end of the day monastic</font>

techniques<font color=”#E5E5E5″> so they were designed to be</font>

basically cultivated by monks or warrior

amongst<font color=”#CCCCCC”> people who had said no to</font>

society in the first place so you<font color=”#CCCCCC”> know</font>

if you think<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that you’re going to use</font>

this to enhance your prestige and<font color=”#CCCCCC”> your</font>

in

your neighborhood<font color=”#CCCCCC”> and and and open up a</font>

school<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it’s just not gonna work</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the same</font>

way<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that if you go and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> and become a</font>

priest<font color=”#CCCCCC”> so that you will</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> have you know</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> a</font>

position in<font color=”#CCCCCC”> society again</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> it’s not</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> going</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>to work it’s</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> going to cause problems</font>

both<font color=”#E5E5E5″> for for you the church and the</font>

society<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that you supposedly want to</font>

serve<font color=”#E5E5E5″> we have to be very careful about</font>

our<font color=”#E5E5E5″> inner motivation for</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> doing things</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> I</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>mean why are</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you doing this</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> a mine was</font>

very<font color=”#E5E5E5″> clear like I</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> said I</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> saw what’s</font>

happening now<font color=”#E5E5E5″> coming I was desperately</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>trying to</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> find a way to contribute</font>

towards<font color=”#E5E5E5″> making it go</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> away it didn’t work</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>so I went</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> back to work myself you know</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I</font>

appreciate your perspective<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I just want</font>

to say to<font color=”#E5E5E5″> anyone listening out there if</font>

you<font color=”#CCCCCC”> have a question for costa’s now is</font>

the time to ask we’re gonna<font color=”#E5E5E5″> begin</font>

wrapping up the<font color=”#CCCCCC”> show here shortly</font>

so if you want<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to ask</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> a</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> question</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you can</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>send us a super chat or you can get into</font>

our discord<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the in the live show</font>

discussion we are we will<font color=”#CCCCCC”> be taking</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>questions for the next couple minutes</font>

you know<font color=”#CCCCCC”> kosis every night did you did</font>

you end up writing<font color=”#CCCCCC”> any books after the</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>magaz</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> of java</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> i wrote one called</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> nae</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>kkum where i tried to but by the way</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> i</font>

don’t<font color=”#E5E5E5″> come up with</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> these titles the the</font>

titles<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that i came up with were very</font>

different<font color=”#E5E5E5″> from</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> i did come up with</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> a</font>

Magus of<font color=”#CCCCCC”> Java</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> but originally I was it</font>

was a different<font color=”#CCCCCC”> name and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> the niccola’s</font>

again at that<font color=”#CCCCCC”> title that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> the the editor</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>chose</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I think I had originally called it</font>

embracing lightning or something<font color=”#CCCCCC”> like</font>

that<font color=”#CCCCCC”> anyway it was a book where I</font>

compare<font color=”#E5E5E5″> these</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> different methods</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I</font>

had seen or experienced that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> were</font>

similar<font color=”#CCCCCC”> to</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> the multi meditation and try</font>

to wrap them up<font color=”#E5E5E5″> in a historical context</font>

and<font color=”#E5E5E5″> also put some stories</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> of different</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>things that I had experienced there did</font>

you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> find any resistance</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> when you were</font>

you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> know publishing the book or the much</font>

through the editors or the publishing

companies does that happen<font color=”#E5E5E5″> no no nothing</font>

like that

no no everybody was wonderful and

nothing<font color=”#E5E5E5″> like okay that’s it I</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> mean</font>

that’s<font color=”#E5E5E5″> good to hear</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that the</font>

information was something<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that you know</font>

wasn’t<font color=”#E5E5E5″> pushed back against</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> know I was</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>find again</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> it was a I think</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> much more</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>welcoming world</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> before 9/11 and so that</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>there wasn’t there I mean the</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> sense that</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>I get kosis from you is you know things</font>

things really changed and I mean do<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you</font>

think<font color=”#E5E5E5″> do you think for</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> yourself that you</font>

know maybe your perspective shifted into

like you know changing<font color=”#CCCCCC”> the system from</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>within the system I don’t know what’s</font>

jaded Luke doing<font color=”#E5E5E5″> on that water</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> watery</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>island planet or whatever it is</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that I</font>

mean<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that’s the way you regard yourself</font>

is this you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> know Jade Luke like</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you’re</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>then oh oh it’s</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> just</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the very</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> humorous</font>

felt like<font color=”#CCCCCC”> using I don’t know where I</font>

flashed on<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to that</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> but what what</font>

happened to you man I mean there’s

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>something you know so it seems</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> like</font>

something happened<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that it it</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> almost</font>

feels like<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it burnt you out a little bit</font>

you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> know if I if I may speak a little</font>

bit frankly<font color=”#CCCCCC”> oh you can speak</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> as frankly</font>

as<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you want</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> well a number</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> of things a</font>

number of<font color=”#E5E5E5″> things happened yeah</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> part of</font>

them were changes in<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the in the world</font>

you know<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it’s very rarely one thing</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> gets</font>

you down you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> know like</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> they say the</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>final straw</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that broke the camel’s</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> back</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>quote-unquote</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> but I just</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> realized that</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>you know for</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> frying myself</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> I had to to</font>

do<font color=”#E5E5E5″> what I’m</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> doing now I mean was it was</font>

it a money thing<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you know did</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you oh no</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>it was</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> never money I’ve</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> always been able</font>

to fulfill<font color=”#CCCCCC”> my fiduciary</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> obligations by</font>

engaging in one profession or the<font color=”#E5E5E5″> other</font>

so interesting it’s really<font color=”#CCCCCC”> interesting</font>

I’m trying to dig a little bit<font color=”#E5E5E5″> trying to</font>

push a little bit against you know

whatever<font color=”#E5E5E5″> whatever this is</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that was going</font>

on with you that<font color=”#CCCCCC”> changed</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> your</font>

perspective on this so<font color=”#E5E5E5″> much but I mean</font>

you yourself<font color=”#E5E5E5″> said that you still you</font>

still<font color=”#E5E5E5″> practice the</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> art I mean you still</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>teach and I I don’t practice</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I don’t</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>practice the the multi art</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> I practice</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>martial arts</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I practice a traditional</font>

Greek form called<font color=”#CCCCCC”> PHA Mohan which</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> it’s</font>

it was basically a 19th century<font color=”#E5E5E5″> Greek</font>

martial art that that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I was kind of</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>fallen into my lap let’s say and and and</font>

I<font color=”#E5E5E5″> try to help people and and teach</font>

people<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and share some things that I</font>

understand about<font color=”#E5E5E5″> over the decades</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that I</font>

had been<font color=”#E5E5E5″> studying these things but I do</font>

not teach any and I’m not authorized to

teach any<font color=”#E5E5E5″> of the systems that I had</font>

discussed in this conversation<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I I</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> don’t</font>

teach<font color=”#CCCCCC”> Tai Chi I</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> am NOT a Tibetan</font>

Buddhist<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I don’t teach them uh PI system</font>

nor am i authorized to you know<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I I do</font>

other<font color=”#E5E5E5″> things now have you had any</font>

contact<font color=”#E5E5E5″> with the people</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> Master John did</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>you did you have</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> any</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> contact with him</font>

again<font color=”#CCCCCC”> after you left</font>

oh sure why not and what about recently

no but<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that’s probably</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> overstated</font>

anything else so it’s something<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you know</font>

where you<font color=”#CCCCCC”> just sort of</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> lost touch and</font>

yeah I mean<font color=”#CCCCCC”> interesting</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you you you</font>

sometimes drift away<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you know then maybe</font>

send a Christmas card<font color=”#E5E5E5″> or something like</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>that you know it’s a</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> very typical I</font>

think in human relations it’s really

it’s<font color=”#CCCCCC”> really interesting</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> I mean you know</font>

I I really<font color=”#E5E5E5″> enjoyed the</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> book and you know</font>

I found it<font color=”#E5E5E5″> fast</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I found it fascinating</font>

the the journey you went through and you

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>know what it took and I remember in the</font>

email<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you just</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> said you know you just</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>flat-out</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> said that you were young man</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>back then yeah it was a good road trip</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>you know</font>

Road movies<font color=”#CCCCCC”> type</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> of thing it was</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> a great</font>

road trip that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> so I figured you know</font>

it’s<font color=”#E5E5E5″> well worth</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the book something</font>

something<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you wrote in magazine Java was</font>

that you said<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that you we need a new</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>science that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> is neither</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> Easter leave</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>that still I do believe that still yes</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>very much believe that I I think there</font>

is<font color=”#E5E5E5″> a an epigraph it’s a saying that is</font>

on a<font color=”#E5E5E5″> sixth century Greek Orthodox</font>

Christian<font color=”#E5E5E5″> temple that originated in a</font>

with a<font color=”#E5E5E5″> fifth century BC Greek</font>

philosopher called<font color=”#E5E5E5″> Plato and he refers</font>

to<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it and it apparently came from an</font>

even earlier philosopher<font color=”#E5E5E5″> of let’s say</font>

the<font color=”#E5E5E5″> previous century so sixth century</font>

called<font color=”#CCCCCC”> an</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> exile autos and what it says</font>

is<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that mind shapes and creates all</font>

things<font color=”#E5E5E5″> well the Einstein said pretty</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>much</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> the same thing so I think that the</font>

next boom in science isn’t<font color=”#E5E5E5″> going to be</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>facin aeration telecommunications or</font>

even AI<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it’s going to be our</font>

understanding of<font color=”#E5E5E5″> how</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> our consciousness</font>

or consciousness<font color=”#E5E5E5″> in general shapes</font>

reality and how it can affect reality

yeah<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I agree</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> with that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> I</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> think that</font>

science<font color=”#E5E5E5″> is uncovering this more and more</font>

I mean we’ve<font color=”#E5E5E5″> got people</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> like Dean Radin</font>

out there you’ve got Rupert Sheldrake

out there and there’s they’re studying

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>the effects of the mind on matter</font>

exactly exactly and<font color=”#E5E5E5″> we</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> recut we’ve</font>

covered this thoroughly<font color=”#E5E5E5″> on</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> this show in</font>

fact and<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you know it’s it’s it’s a topic</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>that’s close</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to you know what I’m</font>

thinking so<font color=”#CCCCCC”> do I mean do</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you think that</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>your perspective on the</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> overall outcome</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>of you know where the world is headed is</font>

is more of a view pointers or something

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>you know like</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> because you know based</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> on</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>what we just said</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that you know what we</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>think becomes real I think that our</font>

minds are fundamentally<font color=”#E5E5E5″> connected at a</font>

very

basic level<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I think</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that let’s say that</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>there’s an</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> internet</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> amongst ourselves</font>

then you know maybe we upload into when

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>we go into REM sleep or or</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> something</font>

like<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that but but I believe that</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> we all</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>are connected so it is in fact our mass</font>

unconscious mind<font color=”#E5E5E5″> that directs the the</font>

flow<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> stream of things</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> where we’re</font>

heading and<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I believe that at this point</font>

in time our<font color=”#CCCCCC”> mass</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> subconscious is</font>

directing it towards a darker place<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and</font>

I<font color=”#E5E5E5″> think that when we understand more and</font>

more how our conscious mind can affect

our subconscious and<font color=”#E5E5E5″> in fact shapes and</font>

creates all things then<font color=”#CCCCCC”> maybe we can</font>

turn that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> around but before we do that</font>

we<font color=”#CCCCCC”> need to hunker down because winter</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> is</font>

coming<font color=”#CCCCCC”> so you know okay okay man I</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> mean</font>

all<font color=”#E5E5E5″> right I’ve got a question here from</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>a</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> mysterious stranger</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> he sends it</font>

through discord it’s a bit of a long

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>question here I’ll try to read it</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> out</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>when one comes to accept the lack of</font>

inherent purpose we aren’t born<font color=”#E5E5E5″> with one</font>

or<font color=”#E5E5E5″> are part of a great master plan still</font>

the<font color=”#CCCCCC”> only path that makes sense or the</font>

one<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> is most in sync with the world</font>

is that<font color=”#CCCCCC”> of inner growth to flourish</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> so</font>

how could<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> manage to keep</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that</font>

purpose close to heart<font color=”#E5E5E5″> without falling</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>into a neurotic mindset when you know</font>

how bad<font color=”#E5E5E5″> things will get I’m pretty tough</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>in the sense that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> you know it’s the only</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>fight that’s worth fighting why give up</font>

you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> know I mean if you have to</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> crash you</font>

might as well<font color=”#E5E5E5″> do it with style so</font>

there’s nothing<font color=”#CCCCCC”> as this warrior</font>

tradition<font color=”#CCCCCC”> is the</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> best tradition around</font>

you know like like the Spartans told the

the Persian emissary when<font color=”#E5E5E5″> he’s</font>

that our arrows are<font color=”#CCCCCC”> gonna</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> blot blot out</font>

the Sun and<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> amici censored all good</font>

at least<font color=”#E5E5E5″> we’ll fight in the shade so</font>

it’s the same<font color=”#CCCCCC”> thing I don’t</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> despair</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> what</font>

I try<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to do is as I</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> mentioned</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> earlier</font>

handle it from<font color=”#E5E5E5″> a logistics of strategic</font>

standpoint<font color=”#E5E5E5″> I see how far my own energy</font>

goes and how far my own<font color=”#E5E5E5″> resources goes</font>

and then I say<font color=”#CCCCCC”> okay I’m going</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to help</font>

these many<font color=”#E5E5E5″> people and get these many</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>people straight and then maybe these</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>people can help</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> another dozen people and</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>those other dozen people and so forth</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>and so</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> on</font>

what I’m not going<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to try to do is</font>

overextend my flank and get swamped<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>need a significantly larger resource</font>

base<font color=”#CCCCCC”> to do that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> I mean</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> John Kennedy</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> lit</font>

a match and and put man<font color=”#CCCCCC”> on the moon and</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>what was it eight years I think wasn’t</font>

it<font color=”#E5E5E5″> 61 where he said that we need to go</font>

to the moon and and I<font color=”#E5E5E5″> remember</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> his beat</font>

yes something like<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>and I think so it was eight years and in</font>

69 we did but that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> was the the resources</font>

of<font color=”#CCCCCC”> a very inspired nation and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> then you</font>

know it just<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it was a passion</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that swept</font>

everybody away and and and we did it we

managed to do it<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I don’t</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> see this type</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>of inspiration</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> and incentive and this</font>

type of<font color=”#E5E5E5″> vision and dream prevalent</font>

anywhere so what I<font color=”#E5E5E5″> need to do or what</font>

everybody needs<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to do is is say okay we</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>need to do good things</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> fine</font>

how many people can I assist in doing

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>good things one two three</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that’s it I’m</font>

not going<font color=”#E5E5E5″> to overextend myself if I help</font>

these three they might help<font color=”#E5E5E5″> another four</font>

and so forth and so on<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and and I think</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>that’s the way that you avoid becoming</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>bitter and</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> burned-out you know I mean</font>

when you’re in<font color=”#E5E5E5″> a firefight you take</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>cover and you shoot back when you can so</font>

you’re saying that<font color=”#E5E5E5″> we</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> should affect</font>

change<font color=”#CCCCCC”> within our own communities and</font>

the<font color=”#E5E5E5″> people that are absolutely</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> your own</font>

families your own communities your

circles or whatever you can<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> don’t care</font>

if it’s over the Internet don’t try to

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>affect 10,000</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> people leave that</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> for Kim</font>

Kardashian

try to<font color=”#CCCCCC”> effect one</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to seven that</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you know</font>

you can impact their lives<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and let those</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>seven impact</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> another set at</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> seven and</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>grow exponentially</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> that way so close</font>

maybe<font color=”#CCCCCC”> I got the wrong impression for me</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>man</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> and I apologize for that I got the</font>

impression that you know you

disconnected from this<font color=”#E5E5E5″> because you you</font>

know<font color=”#CCCCCC”> you gave up in a way but you didn’t</font>

you didn’t give up at all<font color=”#E5E5E5″> no no no no</font>

just became smarter and you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> know in the</font>

sense of being smarter you just mean

more strategic affecting those people

close to<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you and implementing that</font>

change for the people<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> know that were</font>

in<font color=”#CCCCCC”> your daily</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> life</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> maybe you</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> need to</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> be</font>

settled when you you know<font color=”#E5E5E5″> like a</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> Special</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>Forces operation it’s not a</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> bunch of</font>

people<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it’s not a battalion it’s a small</font>

group and then<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you they do things by</font>

being more mobile<font color=”#E5E5E5″> and quiet and and and</font>

and getting<font color=”#E5E5E5″> the</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> job done and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> I think</font>

that’s how<font color=”#E5E5E5″> we need to to handle the</font>

tasks at hand we<font color=”#E5E5E5″> we need to</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> be</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> smarter</font>

and<font color=”#E5E5E5″> then we need to not spread ourselves</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>out too thin and then</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> that’s what</font>

I’m saying I mean what was<font color=”#CCCCCC”> it that</font>

Buddha said like one candle flame to

another right absolutely<font color=”#CCCCCC”> skillful means</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>skillful means Costa sigh I really</font>

appreciate your<font color=”#E5E5E5″> time</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>oh my good sir where can where can</font>

people<font color=”#CCCCCC”> find</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> to your work where can</font>

people<font color=”#CCCCCC”> find more about you ww Pawan gr</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>PA mm ACH o n dot gr is my website</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> and</font>

are you are you<font color=”#CCCCCC”> working in on anything</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>these days</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>right</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> now lately I mean is there</font>

anything<font color=”#CCCCCC”> that people</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> should</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> look out for</font>

you are you I<font color=”#E5E5E5″> mean where you</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> are you’re</font>

living in in Greece<font color=”#E5E5E5″> right no I’m in</font>

Brussels now at the<font color=”#E5E5E5″> moment actually okay</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>I’m kind of a Globetrotter in some</font>

senses I’m in Brussels yeah

so your grace grace is home<font color=”#E5E5E5″> okay</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> I</font>

mean are<font color=”#E5E5E5″> you are you working on anything</font>

new<font color=”#E5E5E5″> are</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> you working on a new book</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>anytime soon or anything like that a new</font>

book

we are consolidating<font color=”#CCCCCC”> and</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> and efforts</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>that will probably go public in 2021</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> I</font>

really can’t talk about<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it yet but it’s</font>

it’s coming

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>well</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> guys</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> here’s another episode</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> and you</font>

know I I really want to<font color=”#E5E5E5″> recommend this</font>

book it’s<font color=”#E5E5E5″> called The Magus of Java the</font>

teachings of an<font color=”#E5E5E5″> authentic</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> tallest</font>

immortal by my guest

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>Costa</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> Danaus and you know I I really</font>

think you<font color=”#CCCCCC”> guys should give this book a</font>

read I really enjoyed it<font color=”#E5E5E5″> it was a</font>

different perspective<font color=”#CCCCCC”> it I actually sat</font>

<font color=”#CCCCCC”>down and rotted the</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> credit last night</font>

and I read the<font color=”#E5E5E5″> whole thing last night so</font>

we are gonna get<font color=”#CCCCCC”> out of</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> here</font>

if you enjoyed the show<font color=”#CCCCCC”> please</font><font color=”#E5E5E5″> share it</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>we are building a</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> YouTube presence we’re</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>attempting to do that if you really</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>enjoy the show</font>

<font color=”#E5E5E5″>buy us a coffee help us keep this show</font>

running and we will see you<font color=”#E5E5E5″> guys</font><font color=”#CCCCCC”> next</font>

week

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