The Human Experience · Episode
Episode 57 – Rob Bell
A conversation with Rob Bell
Rob Bell is The New York Times bestselling author of Love Wins, What We Talk About When We Talk about God, The Zimum of Love and his most recent book How To Be Here. iTunes named his podcast, The RobCast, Best…

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Rob Bell is The New York Times bestselling author of Love Wins, What We Talk About When We Talk about God, The Zimum of Love and his most recent book How To Be Here. iTunes named his podcast, The RobCast, Best of 2015. He’s been profiled in The New Yorker, he’s toured with Oprah on her Life You Want Tour, and in 2011 Time Magazine named him one of the 100 Most Influential People In The World. He has a regular show at Largo, the legendary music and comedy club in West Hollywood and is currently touring his How To Be Here Experience around the world. He and his wife Kristen have three children and live in Los Angeles.
The popular pastor and New York Times bestselling author of Love Wins and What We Talk About When We Talk About God shows us how to pursue and realize our dr

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eams, live in the moment, and joyfully do the things that make us come alive.
Each of us was created for something great—we just need to figure out what it is and find the courage to do it. Whether it’s writing the next great American novel, starting a business, or joining a band, Rob Bell wants to help us make those dreams become reality. Our path is ours and ours alone to pursue, he reminds us, and in doing so, we derive great joy because we are living our passions.
How to Be Here lays out concrete steps we can use to define and follow our dreams, interweaving engaging stories, lessons from biblical figures, insights gleaned from Rob’s personal experience, and practical advice. Rob gives you the support and insight you need to silence your critics, move from idea to action, take the first step, find joy in the work, persevere through hard times, and surrender to the outcome.
Like Stephen Pressfield’s classic The War of Art, How to Be Here will inspire readers to seek the lives they were created to lead.
In this episode we spoke to Rob about the human condition, how to find your passion, we demystify success and fame. We rationalize the emotional chaos that comes with finding who we are and what we are meant to do with our lives and so so much more.
This conversation will change the way you see your life.
Editorial Reviews
“Bell has an uncanny ability to sneak beautiful truths past the bodyguards of our hearts and wake us up to more inspired, vibrant and complete lives. Every single part of How to Be Here is profound and inspiring (except for the blank pages; those did very little for me).” (Pete Holmes, star of the HBO comedy Crashing)
“While reading this book, you get this crazy feeling that the matrix is being revealed, as infinite possibilities for your life start unfolding before your eyes. And all this
miraculousness and excitement happens without a trace of darkness or danger; here is a wild journey that you can actually trust.” (Elizabeth Gilbert, author of Big Magic)
“Listing all the ways in which Rob has positively impacted my life would take up too much space; so I’ll simply say that he has inspired me to live lif
e with a deeper level of appreciation and to love people with a greater awareness of our connectivity.” (Aaron Rogers, quarterback for the Green Bay Packers)
“Bell will be joined by the likes of Brian McLaren, James Martin, Diana Butler Bass and Carol Howard Merritt.” (Christianity Today)
“Forever grateful for the brilliant mind, boundless heart and fierce faith of Rob Bell. His work convinced me that it was possible–maybe necessary and thrilling–to be a person of both faith and intellect. . . . Please read everything Rob’s ever written and then go see him live.” (Glennon Doyle Melton, author of Carry On, Warrior)
“This book lays out concrete steps we can use to define and follow our dreams. Bell interweaves engaging stories, lessons and biblical figures, insights gleaned from his personal experience, and practical advice.” (Publishers Weekly)
“Bell continues to share pastoral wisdom . . . incorporating personal stories of struggle as well as those of key figures in the Bible, Bell also addresses how to identify and pursue your passions. The book encourages people to take the initial step towards joy and empowerment.” (Publishers Weekly)
“Because he’s Rob Bell, he packed How to Be Here with plenty of inspiration and provocation for his readers to follow suit.” (Relevant Magazine)
Find Rob here: www.robbell.com
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A huge thanks to Rob for making the time to be on the show.
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Quotes
Five substantial excerpts from the published transcript, lightly edited for clarity without changing their meaning.
“Walking into a hotel filled with fifteen thousand people creates an unmistakable electricity. Every floor has long lines of people waiting to hear someone speak. That density of curiosity is the beauty of the Conscious Life Expo. It creates a gathering unlike anything else I have encountered in the United States, and perhaps anywhere.”
From the conversation“If you want to change your reality, decide what you want to do and think about it every day. Rehearse it in your mind, whether the work is painting, mechanics, broadcasting, or something else. Imagination is not a substitute for action, but sustained attention can prepare you to recognize and pursue a different path.”
From the conversation“We were producing a sports show and decided to introduce subjects such as the Great Pyramid of Giza. I convinced the team that I had a plan, and for weeks we rebuilt the format, advertising, and voice-over work. Just as we prepared to launch, another opportunity appeared and changed the direction again.”
From the conversation“You look across fifteen thousand people, see your image on the program, and wonder how you arrived there. Then you notice how happy people are to belong to this temporary family. The scale is surreal, but the deeper pleasure is the shared enthusiasm. It has been a strange ride, and I love the story of it.”
From the conversation“Audiences often gain more from a person they have never heard before—a fresh perspective on near-death experience, consciousness, parallel worlds, time travel, UFOs, or Egypt—than from hearing the same familiar names. Discovery matters. A platform should not only reinforce what people already know; it should introduce voices capable of changing the conversation.”
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About the guest
Rob Bell
Rob Bell is The New York Times bestselling author of Love Wins, What We Talk About When We Talk about God, The Zimum of Love and his most recent book How To Be Here. iTunes named his podcast, The RobCast, Best of 2015. He’s been profiled in The New Yorker, he’s toured with Oprah on her Life You Want Tour, and in 2011 Time Magazine named him one of the 100 Most Influential People In The World. He has a regular show at Largo, the legendary music and comedy club in West Hollywood and is currently touring his How To Be Here Experience around the world. He and his wife Kristen have three children and live in Los Angeles.
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Transcript
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welcome to the human experience podcast the only podcast designed to fuse your left and right brain hemispheres and feed it the most entertaining and mentally engaging topics on the planet as we approach our ascent please make sure your frontal temporal and occipital lobes are in their full upright position as you take your seat of consciousness relax your senses and allow us to take you on a journey we are the intimate strangers thank you for listening
[Music]our psychedelics in the in the regard to you know healing trauma ayahuasca is this something that you have any interested in whatsoever I did it this morning shut up no you did you did I you Oscar this morning yes I’ve got some five Meo DMT right now and he starts his panel I’m walking out the door to come up and meet you just so you know yeah and George says and by the way I want to introduce everybody to somebody that sits in for me that that does the
weekends that he’s been with us for years and I just want to bring to the stage somebody that you all know Jimmy church and I stopped and I ran and I ran up to the stage and he go say something and and I said George I was leaving to get coffee so at that time coast-to-coast just started and then I found out and this is crazy the studio was across the street from my condo Wow across the street in Sherman Oaks where I broadcast now same studio and I can
look out the windows of coast-to-coast and look at my bedroom window and I’m like shut up who is this and Jason goes no man that’s George I know his voice and George hey Jason how’s it going I said really Jimmy fan I go live with coast to coast in an hour but I’m listening to you I was like what and so we have this thing and I hang up and the the audience and Twitter and everybody’s just like it’s blowing right right right and I thought how
weird is that at one point I was like I’m done with sports I just want to get this UFO thing combined so I convinced my producers or my team that we were gonna change from sports to sports and UFOs they were like but how’re we gonna do that when you first walk into the hotel here there’s 15,000 people right it’s madness every floor that you go to here you see a line of a thousand people going in to see somebody speak it’s everywhere you
turn right and when you walk in the door this electricity just comes up your legs and you feel this thing and that’s the beauty of the conscious life Expo and and there’s nothing else like it in the United States maybe even the world it’s it’s that kind of place and I just enjoy the suggestion of what is real and what is not and are we in some hologram holographic world yeah we are we exactly so therefore nothing is set you know
free will is a real thing ones and zeroes can be manipulated and if that is the case rewrite your own code ya know figure things out and and you can do it and if you feel trapped or if you feel like you’ve got questions that aren’t answered you can go and you can do these things in one show I can talk about heavy metal music one of my passions I can talk about funny comedies comedians time travel UFOs and Egypt all in one show why those are the things
that I’m passionate about what’s up folks Xavier Quezada here and you are listening to the human experience podcast today we have the great Jimmy Church on our program we really hope you enjoy this episode it was a really fun episode to do we did it live at the conscious life Expo Jimmy has been hosting fade to black and coast-to-coast am four years he is just a really engaging enthralling conversation please find us on Twitter at the human XP where
we host some of the most amazing content you will ever see find us on Facebook with the same name at the human XP this is a phenomenal conversation really hope you guys enjoy it thank you so much you are listening to the human experience my name is Xavier katana I am sitting with the legendary mr. Jimmy Church Jimmy how are you sir how is everybody how are you I am doing wonderful man we are at the conscious life Expo how’s that been for
you let me ask you this it’s great for me how’s it been for you it’s probably not as good as for you how many how many conscious life Expos have you been to this is the first conscious life are you turning this interview into what are you doing to my interview exactly conscious life Expo this is the fifth year that I’ve hosted we’ve usually broadcast you know fade to black from the main plaza ballroom downstairs on Friday nights and
this year is the first year that we didn’t do that you know bringing a portable studio the manpower the producers of thing 3 our live broadcast 15 guests you know craziness this year what what the Expo wanted to do was have me still do the keynote address on Friday night but have that be an actual panel so this is the first year I haven’t had to stress out bringing down a radio studio setting up in front of a thousand people and doing a live radio
which is fun writes a lot of stress so this year last night when he asked how the expo is going we had 1200 people in the ballroom standing-room-only all awake all here to learn all wanting knowledge sure you know angles are checked at the door right audience is there to learn and when they go into that room and they look around and the vibe of having 1200 people with an awakened mind the connections that happen there the neurons the electricity right yes
everybody is one yeah and then on the stage they’ve got David Wilcock they’ve got Corey Goode they’ve got Linda Moulton Howe William Henry and Wow so the vibe that was in there last night for the opening night it sets off the tone for the rest of the conference for everybody so they walk out of there you know with some knowledge and they’ve hopefully learned something maybe made friends you know relationships and things that that carries on through the
rest of the conference all the way to next year absolutely because they want to come back and cop that same vas sure sure for me has it been great it’s been amazing you know and so this morning I was just down with George and his panel George doing George Noory and George and I we were backstage David Wilcock missing right now this is what’s great for the audience this is you know it was awesome so George and I our backstage we’ve got eight people
there we’re supposed to have nine we’re missing Wilcox and George being the professional that he is him and I are just sitting to the back everybody’s in front of it and we’re just talking and I had said to him I said George this is my fourth year going on fifth year doing coast to coast right and over all of these years I’ve never had the opportunity to say thank you so that’s what I did backstage right okay that was a moment between George and I right
audience doesn’t see that and they deserve that moment but they didn’t see it so anyway this is part of conscious life so George gets up on time done I’m not part of his thing I’m just there you know to be with my friend and he starts his panel I’m walking out the door to come up and meet you sure so you know yeah and George says and and by the way I want to introduce everybody to somebody that sits in for me that that does the weekends that he’s been with us
for years and I just want to bring to the stage somebody that you all know Jimmy Church and I stopped and I ran and I ran up to the stage and he go say something and and I said George I was leaving to get coffee so anyway I said to the audience that I just want to share something that that just happened backstage I don’t get a chance to do this but I’ve been on coast you know now all of this time and George and I work and we work together
but Days turn into weeks turned into years and I never had the opportunity to say thank you and I just did that backstage and I want all of you to know that that’s what’s going on back there and and I want to do it now up here George thank you because and the audience now gets that vibe right they they understand that this is a family this is not the celebrity or coast-to-coast or things into something that it is not we have a genuine
relationship with the audience am I making sense and they need to feel that so they walk out of there with a personal thing that they can now take that with them forever and understand that so it’s the conference going great it’s going great for everybody and and that’s what I enjoy most I really do it when when you first walk into the hotel here there’s 15,000 people right it’s madness every floor that you go to here you see a line of a thousand people
going in to see somebody speak it’s everywhere you turn right and when you walk in the door this electricity just comes up your legs and you feel this thing and that’s the beauty of the conscious life Expo and and there’s nothing else like it in the United States maybe even the world it’s it’s that kind of place and I just enjoy it so is it going great how’s it going for you Jimmy it’s going well but I want to get into you know
I’ve listened to your show a few times I I know that you’ve at least heard of me but I don’t think you’ve listened to my show yet it’s a little bit different I mean we have different topics but I want to know a little bit about what goes on behind the scenes because for most people I think what they see is is polished version of this collaborative effort between you and your staff and you’re putting all this together and do it every single night and you know your
fader knots and the people who who love you I mean there’s there’s so many of them there’s it’s an army of them right so how long have you been doing this fade to black 5 going on 6 years and then you host coast-to-coast on the weekends yep and and you mentioned the History Channel yep I’ve three shows now three series on history yeah I mean you know writer it sounds crazy does you’re doing so much right for you what has been a hurdle for you what has been
something that you struggled have struggled with if anything well okay the growth of the show I don’t have to struggle with because it grows on its own that’s organic The Fader knots thank you for mentioning that because you’re away can you pay attention the fader knots named themselves okay we didn’t do that the things that have happened on the internet and everything we’ve never advertised we’ve never done any marketing so I’ve never stressed with
that everything is word-of-mouth that’s it The Fader knots speak about the show and the word on the street and the yeah is it that is it the biggest show out there it is it wasn’t at one time it’s that it has grown organically so I don’t stress over that that’s a beautiful thing my stress comes from the proper research so hmm I have spent my entire life reading watching searching that that’s my thing I I do nothing but research now
with my schedule with doing shows every single day of the week whether it’s TV or radio how is that possible have to do things like sleep yeah right okay I do have a family and a life and and everything else so how do you make time for all of that it’s tough and then I need to satisfy the research if I have five guests in a week or six so I’m working six days at six guests that’s six different topics that’s six different books to read from these or
six different documentaries to watch and six different topics to go in-depth with because I this is where you need to learn right here for everybody that’s listening to me mm-hm I do not have questions there are no questions whether it’s on coasts whether it’s TV fade to black there are no questions I have nothing there in front of me because I know my guests I know what’s going on I’ve already researched the topic probably four decades before and then
we’re specifically at a guess and by the time I get to that guest I have fully done my work the audience knows that and that’s why the audience has grown they know that I’m never phoning it in I’m never reading down a list of 20 questions that is supplied from the guests the questions are organic and they feed off of the conversation as it goes through and it’s like the audience’s engaging in that conversation with me sitting right there because they
can when you and I are sitting here talking the conversations gonna go where it’s gonna go I drink out a piece of paper put it here and have a conversation with three questions off of that that’s not a conversation right yeah the audience knows that and that’s where the the fanatical thing comes from that you’re talking about right they know so my hope and my goal from always from the beginning was and if there is stress involved in doing what I do is
that you need to be yourself I the audience knows they’ve been listening to me now too you know a thousand interviews 2,000 or more they know my personality so they know who I am I’m not faking anything you’re associating there is nothing there none of that is the I am in one show I can talk about heavy metal music one of my passions I can talk about funny comedies comedians time travel UFOs and Egypt all in one show why those are the things
that I’m passionate about so when I speak about these things I’m speaking about the stuff that I love and then the what results from that is my audience is interested in the same exact things hi man Wow I like Pantera and I like UFOs this guy is like me right do you understand what I’m saying yeah and so once you let loose of that freedom and and let that hang out there now I’m able to not worry about 20 questions I know my guests I
know the topics this is what I’m passionate about we got three hours of live radio in front of us let’s rock and roll and have a conversation if there’s a secret that’s it no I mean I’m not looking for the secret but you know I think but I’m not suggesting that okay what I’m saying is when when you try to analyze as I have how did we get here you know and with anybody that is passionate about what they do and they find their bliss and they’re
able to do amazing paintings or play amazing guitar or act in films or whatever in it or write code and and video you know whatever it is they found their bliss and you will say to them well how’d you do it well man the secret is I’m happy I’m just doing you know what I want to do and so the stress comes from being passionate about something yeah I respect that about you and I think you know as long as I have known about you know the fader knots and
fade to black I have respected the show and you for what you do is simply that and if you ask me the same question I there’s no way I could do six nights a week of a guest I mean there are other aspects of things that that were running and we’re pushing forward you know I want to know before you started doing coast to coast did you always feel you had a sort of talent for radio I mean you have a very radio voice and at what point did you move into doing Costa
Kosovo on the weekends well where do you live I live in San Diego California live in San Diego so and down in San Diego extra sports 690 big radio station and back in the early 90s I would when I traveled to San Diego once a week twice a week I would listen to extra sports and it was a great radio station and back then in the early 90s when I was doing this I would listen and I knew I was gonna do that now I was 25 years ago so
that time coast-to-coast just started and then I found out and this is crazy the studio was across the street from my condo Wow across the street in Sherman Oaks where I broadcast now same studio and I can look out the windows of coast-to-coast and look at my bedroom window now how trippy is that that’s really trippy right right sure so and my phone number in my condo was one digit off from the coast to coast number and I would listen
to art Bell okay call in a18 501 3 I need to call in just to go dude look at my phone number it’s one digit off I’m across the street and I thought well that’s kind of creepy so maybe we’re not gonna do that but I would listen to coast and knew that I wanted to manifest my own reality and that’s always the way things happen okay that that’s it you want to change your reality think about what you want to do think about it think
about it every single day practice rehearse in your mind maybe it’s painting maybe it’s car mechanic whatever it is but if you don’t like what you’re doing now and you need to do that you manifest your own reality sure now I’ve told the story many times about about this very subject about how this happened so look I this voice I’ve had since I was 2 so that I didn’t have to worry about that I knew that I had that this irritating
thing that bother people it’s loud and and things so I knew I had that I needed to get the professional side of it set up so I went back to school went to school for broadcast went to school for journalism it got through that got into sports casting and and did that and then at one point I was like I’m done with sports I just want to get this UFO thing combined so I convinced my producers or my team that we were gonna change from sports to sports in UFOs
they were like but how are we gonna do that and so we changed the name of the show the sports show was called the revolution and there was a lot of fun and we changed the name we did all the production and the show was called Jimmy Church against the world and it was my way of getting what I was passionate about conspiracy enlightenment awakened as consciousness sure you’re both lost history Egypt how do I get all of this and keep the team interested okay so
we’re still doing sports but we’re gonna do a little bit of the Great Pyramid of Giza what how we gonna do that so I convinced them somehow that I had a plan so we come in we change the show we get everything ready we cut all the spots we do all the voice-over stuff I bring in the team we do we do this for a couple of weeks so we’re all geared we’re now gonna launch Jimmy Terps against the world and at that point our Bell quit he
quit yeah the opportunity came up for me to go to his Network on Dark Matter radio and they literally said to me this is like on a Sunday night you’re like okay can you be ready to go live on Thursday I said sure yeah we can do that and my wife comes in and and she says that’s that’s fine but we’re not gonna call a Jimmy Church against the world I said what’d he mean she goes that that pretty much sucks and I said really we just did all this production and
we’re ready to go she goes no we’re gonna call it fade to black what and that was Sunday night bringing all the voiceover guys all the production all the art is we come up with new logos get everything done baboom and then we went on the air this is five six years ago with fade to black and and that’s how it all happened it was just manifesting your own reality and then so coast to coast so this is what happened George Noory I didn’t know
about this is listening to fade to black and he’s listening to fade to black for his own reasons but I’m on Arpels network that’s certainly you know he’s Georgia’s interested in what’s going on out there and the other radio hosts I’m sure and he starts listening to fade to black and one night I’m in the studio are doing the broadcast and I have Jason Martel on from ancient alien okay Jason and I are friends and and we’re doing
our thing and and earlier that evening Jason and I decided not to take phone calls that we were just gonna have this fun organic bro conversation right okay and about an hour in to the Bach house about eight o’clock this eight one eight number that I was just talking about is coming in and I’m hanging up on it keeps calling back hang up hang up and after about 10 of these I go chasin got somebody calling in we agreed not to have calls but I don’t know what’s going
on you want to take this calling goes yeah I’m just punching by your life I’m fade to black who’s calling Jimmy this is George Noory and I’m like shut up who is this and Jason goes no man that’s George I know his voice and George hey Jason how’s it going I said really Jimmy I’m a fan I go live with coast to coast in an hour but I’m listening to you I was like what and so we have this thing and I hang out and the the audience and
Twitter and everybody’s just like just blowing it right right right and I thought how weird is that and a couple of weeks later we were had contact in the desert George is there and I’m there and we’re doing our thing and and he came up and and offered me the gig and said would you like to come over and fill him for me on coast and I said yeah I guess we could talk about it ha ha ha ha check my schedule man I might be busy but and that’s how it
happened and there’s no rhyme or reason for it you know again it comes to like manifesting your own reality and thinking about things the honor of the this the the privilege the honor is there’s only one coast-to-coast there’s only one George Noory there’s only four Friday’s every month there’s only four Saturdays that’s it that’s it and who fills in for George on Friday nights I’m planet Earth him that’s one guy right how what an honor right what an honor
and so I will never let go of that it is really the truth it’s a privilege it’s cool and that and fade to black which airs before coast to coast all done by design you know I didn’t want to overlap the coast audience and I don’t want sure and kejoro’s yeah so all of this was planned and thought through and it ended and it works and it happened and I’m still there and we’re on the air and and life is good and so that that’s it it’s
about when it comes to consciousness when it comes to the suggestion of what is real and what is not and are we in some hologram holographic world yeah we are yeah exactly so therefore nothing is set you know free will is a real thing ones and zeroes can be manipulated and if that is the case rewrite your own code ya know figure things out and and you can do it and if you feel trapped or if you feel like you’ve got questions that
aren’t answered you can go and you can do these things you can you know it takes a little work you got a sweat hmm you got it work yeah you know gotta be present you have to work be willing to work hard put your foot on the gas but you have to and and that’s it that’s it and so that’s how it all happened and I’m walking around this conference and I’m sure you’ve seen the same thing you know there’s probably a thousand fade to black shirts right at this conference
you’re walking around you know you’re looking at 15,000 people and you walk around in like I guys got my picture on it and then just look for a second right and you look around and you think how did we get here and isn’t it wonderful and that they are so happy and that they are here and this this family in this thing and it’s just what a crazy ride is very it’s it’s so much fun and and that’s that’s it that’s my life I love the story I love the logistics I
love that you are so in car I don’t think that you could pull off what you’re doing without being utterly passionate and devoted and completely committed because I mean this is challenging I mean just a weekly show for me and my staff is challenging so doing it every night live this is just a different ball game you’re playing you know minor leagues versus major leagues so you know I wanted to ask you sometimes I listen to your show and you
know it’s all about these different topics but I’ve never really heard you that story that you talked about you know how you got the gig at coast-to-coast that that story happened live on the air yeah there you know what I mean so I never really had to tell it the audience got to hear it you know they heard George call in about a month after when George called in and he made me that offer which was out in the desert like two weeks after that he
called in and I was like man really you know okay and I was thinking to myself what is the audience thinking right now that is really going on and and George calls and he says Jimmy I don’t know if you told anybody which I hadn’t I didn’t go on the air and go George off for me this coast-to-coast I didn’t at that point it was my agent that got involved and I’m just you know if this happens it happens if it doesn’t it doesn’t but you
don’t talk about it publicly sure does George do calls in so church what’s your answer I offered you the host gig haven’t heard back man I’m like if you want to do this live on the air yeah I do know this played out on the air yeah how cool is that that’s yeah yeah yeah yeah okay so okay so yeah I’d let you do that let you take over there for a second but Jimmy I want to know we all have you know doing this radio thing we all have those moments where there’s
a guest that just something’s not vibing right you know and you don’t have to drop names I wouldn’t ask you to drop names I just want you to give a story of an experience that you had where it just wasn’t working out and you’re trying everything you can to get this guest back on track and for some reason the cock of the conversations falling flat The Fader knots are going nuts they’re like Jimmy what’s going on why is this interview
just going flat and and you’re thinking the same thing and it’s never happened I had a feeling you might say that it’s never happened the only probably there’s one fade to black that went a little bit sideways but it turned out to be okay once and so some really even worth mentioning okay and then there was one time on coast one guess I’m not gonna mention his name he hasn’t come back on coast to coast sense or fade to black that tried
to take things into a very loud political Obama bashing oh yeah I think it was Obama I can’t even remember it might have been Hillary might have been during this year elections right or the campaign a couple of years ago right so and that was very regrettable I almost hung up on the guests and said always had phone problems you know we’ll get back to him let’s open up the phone lines that happened once but no so the answer is no Wow so you have to first
off I know my guess you know we’re booking the guests are passionate they want to be on we we are lucky that we have enough credibility out there that we can offer only we have the opportunity offer the best and the brightest that’s it so usually what we bring forward is something that is pretty dynamic whatever it is but now this is the catch and it’s pretty amazing we have had a lot of first-time guests on the show I’ve had a lot of
guests on the show it was their first radio appearance see your segwaying for me now right and that was like that was that was my next question for you is is you know research okay yeah the research a story searching guest oh okay yeah that’s research and guest fought trying to find the next gem the next thing why I I got to go back to my own radio experience so when I would listen to it doesn’t doesn’t matter if I was listening to coast to coast or if I
listened to sports radio or political or whatever I was listening I want to listen to somebody I haven’t heard from before you know I’ll still listen if it’s Will Smith for the 50th time but to have somebody that I’ve never heard before that really catches my attention so that’s what I wanted to do with the audience I want to find somebody that the audience has never heard from before why well they get to share in my experience of that conversation because
this is the first conversation I’ve had with this guest this is the first time this guest is presenting this information everything is fresh and new and they get to have that experience sure that’s a tough road sure it’s a tough road to find and and and constantly look and look and look and look and look I can only have Linda Moulton Howe on this show so much I would love to have her five days a week but you can’t do that you know or or
Richard Dolan or Steven Greer or David Wilcock or Corey Goode or William Henry on and on and on and I thought of John Anthony West who just passed away a few days ago I had these people on Robert Schoch I would love to have him on all the time I can’t and also as much as that is really cool and the audience enjoys that and they do they do I think they much they get much more enjoyment from somebody that they’ve never heard from before some fresh idea
some fresh take on the near-death experience on consciousness on parallel worlds on time travel on on UFOs on Egypt you know so it’s okay I’m gonna spin this around just a little bit just cuz I love hearing this I love hearing just the back story and you know the way your mind is thinking out and boys show later though for this no you’re not what’s gonna happen is I want to ask you about juror this lady named Nancy Lieder she’s
still around yeah idea yeah okay so Zeta Zeta Zeta talk Z to talk yes need to talk do you remember she was a year was there’s like 2006 2004 something like that was a while it’s been a while and she fade away it’s no pun intended but I was wondering for a person like her who is she’s pitching the this end of the world scenario saying you know this Planet X is coming and then nothing happens do you filter out who you bring on in
regards to that or you do you allow your audience to do that themselves no I don’t do I don’t do anything like that on the show it’s a very very dangerous zone to get into and the reason why I used to listen to her stuff and others like her but if you are going to predict something like that it better happen had better happens yeah and it doesn’t martial masters and so forth if it does not happen the reputation is gone you’re messing with people’s emotions
yeah and also there’s a certain amount of fear-mongering going yeah and I I don’t want to play into that and also as a host and my audience I do my research and if you go and you look at these timelines with the Sumerian texts and certainly the way that Sitchin presented the information nibiru on its best hope is still 1500 years out sure okay it’s not next week it’s not next month it’s not 2012 yeah you know it’s not it’s not it’s not any of these dates
it’s 1500 years away if we go back and look this is why I I cannot bring out somebody to to talk about Planet X I just won’t do it unless they tell me it’s 2000 years away then we have a conversation come on let’s talk about it because if we look at all of the historical timelines where significant things have happened at these 3,600 year cycles you can find them you can look at the Year Zero with the Star of Bethlehem was that Nibiru right his 2000 years ago
hmm so that puts right there that puts Nibiru 1616 hundred years out and then you can back up and look at certain celestial events sure look at the Roman calendar the Greek calendar Egyptian calendar Chinese and look at these celestial events and significant things and you can find these 3,600 year loops and it looks kind of interesting right but they stopped at a certain point which puts Nibiru 1,600 1,500 years out no matter what so I my research says
that somebody that wants to present Nibiru as entering our solar system right now is trying to sell books and I’m not into that there are too many this is the other problem with it every single asteroid just about every single media or every single near-earth orbit everything that has been found pretty small smaller than a Nibiru it’s been found by an amateur astronomer in his backyard with his own telescope brain they would have seen Nibiru for
sure a long time ago hundred percent and it would be over with yeah so my own research says I’m not going there right that’s it I won’t do it on the show I will not I will not I’m not gonna be a false prophet I’m not gonna be part of it I’m not I’m not I’m not and you know it comes it comes down to this this world that we’re in credibility and integrity should be paramount and so for me that’s that’s it and that’s that’s where I’ve I love that man I love
authenticity I love that you are just so committed and I think it’s a responsibility you feel a connection to your audience and people look up to you that they respect your judgment and you’re bringing this person on so I can see why the research of that you know the guests that you bring on would be so important and why doing that five six days a week is just absolute madness right is there a topic that I mean I know there’s a bunch of topics that you
really like is there a favorite of yours in this snichlt genre that you are drawn to more well aside from UFOs and the alien question my passion is is Egypt and lost history which is one of the same thing so that’s going back to of course go back Lee Tepe which you know as is sure that I’m very very passionate about and I think there’s a connection there but yes Egypt and when you go back before the Pharaohs and you go beef or that you go before
men a and you go before Narmer then you go to the gods of Egypt and the demigods and what was going on there that is oh it’s just the most fascinating thing out there absolutely you know down you know then there’s time travel and then there’s you know I certainly love quantum mechanics and quantum theory in the physics of bad and and parallel worlds and multi world Theory multiverse yeah very very passionate yeah yeah and secretly sort of I just love hearing
about that and you’ve probably had Richard Hoagland on your show a couple times once once I don’t know how you feel about him I I don’t know why but I listened to his show every week and I just hear he has his own little show on BlogTalkRadio now and I feel bad for the guy cuz he has probably every technical issue ever ever conceived of that you could ever ever think of he has that issue and I’ve tried to help him I’ve tried to send him a couple Facebook
messages and stuff like that and it’s it says that he read them and I’m just like this is what you need to do to fix your thing man and and it just doesn’t get fixed so but for some reason his ability to talk about you know these things that we’re seeing in our solar system this architecture of these pre civilization 10,000 20,000 years who knows how old these civilizations are all scattered through the solar system it fascinates
me and I mean we’ve had Graham Hancock on have you had Graham they’ve you talked to Grandma a many many times he’s he’s one of my favorite get favorite people to listen to because he connects so many of you know the the different veins of subjects that I’m that I’m really into our psychedelics in the in the regard to you know healing drama ayahuasca is this something that you have any interested in whatsoever I did it this morning shut up no you did
you did I you Oscar this morning yes I’ve got some five Meo DMT right now so I’m ladies and gentlemen I’m looking at I’m looking at the center of Jimi’s forehead and I don’t think he’s lying I really don’t I just I don’t I don’t know I don’t know but Jimmy really I mean really be honest here man cuz cuz you know I’ll tell you something really funny let me let me let me let me do this I’m gonna go here and then and it will end on this story I’m gonna tell a
little story so about six months ago a matter of private party on the top of a mountain in Malibu so use your imagination okay pretty pretty pretty amazing and the people there and who the neighbors are hey we’re talking about top shelf of society and so we’re up there and this person comes up I’m not gonna say male-female who what but says I’m a shaman and we are going to have a private gathering invitation only in two weeks at our compound we would
like to invite you okay we’ll be there so we we drive back two weeks later to the same neighborhood same general area and we enter the compound we’re driving up and around a two mile driveway and we wind around to this beautiful home a couple of Ferraris couple of Aston Martins couple of Bentley’s a couple of this couple of that couple of that and you know I pull in and my seventy-two Datsun b210 pickup truck I’m kidding but anyway so we pull in and it is all
that and what is going on here it’s a room not one but it’s a room full of shamans a room very famous director and some other you know and I’m looking around I’m like wow and things were going on there were I you know without going into details mm-hmm there were certain ancient medicines that were being talked about and distributed so I’m watching this and somebody comes up to me and does this okay this is from you know this is made
by old women in you know mountains in Tibet and a monastery and goes boom a drop my head on my penny old way and and this thing so so it this drop and in this smell this weird thing and I could feel the heat in the oil I could feel it like going down my scalp okay all right so that and I didn’t even ask any questions I just you know let’s let this happen okay all right yeah so about a half hour later we’re standing in the metal here we go
we’re standing in his circle in the dining room and this director is talking about this project and in the gathering of everybody and and the blessing of the you know the kombucha and whatever and I’m standing there and suddenly his mouth which is I can he I can see him talking but I just lose them and I’m looking around the room and I’m like why isn’t anybody looking at these amazing ass colors this place is great and I’m looking
around and everybody and I’m like wow what was he saying and then I thought to myself that drop dead drop that went on my head not on my tongue not in my vein I didn’t smoke it I didn’t snort it I didn’t I Drive it went right what is going on hmm and it allowed me at that moment to realize that everybody here got the drop I know that they did and this is what it was it was fantastic it was fantastically Ville and and we drove away that night my wife and I were
driving out she got the drop two and and we just thought what that was nuts the group the people you know I can’t really if I told you some of these personalities that were there it’s not that I’m not talking about movie stars that was going out too but but different segments of society sure that are actually open to that solutely you know there are politicians right now in Washington DC that know what five him out of Syria because I saw it and I was
flipping out and I was flipping it was a great experience so with that man um wonderful just just thank you no no no thank you I really appreciate the background and that hilarious way to end this conversation and just you know have a lot of respect for you as a broadcaster what you do how hard you work it’s huge and I hope to you know be there one day myself and and maybe take your job on coast to coast maybe you’ll go you know Monday through
Friday all on your show callin your show will just reverse this whole story Jimmy man thank you thank you so much where can where can people get to you know it’s such such it’s such an ego thing to say yeah it’s Jimmy Church radio.com just go there everything is there so YouTube Twitter live show networks syndication email contact future past you know that that’s it it’s all right there we’ve everything is free you know so you can just go and the show plays
for free the live broadcasts are free it’s all there love it love it meant Church thank you so much for being here sir this is the human experience we are gonna get out of here thank you so much for listening we will catch you next week
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