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Episode 114 – Wim Hof on Breathing Techniques, Human Performance & Breaking World Records
A conversation with Wim Hof
Wim Hof is a world-famous extremophile. He is internationally renowned for his countless ice endeavors that range from being up to his neck in a cylinder filled with ice cubes for over 90 minutes, swimming…

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Wim Hof is a world-famous extremophile. He is internationally renowned for his countless ice endeavors that range from being up to his neck in a cylinder filled with ice cubes for over 90 minutes, swimming long distances under polar ice, running a marathon barefoot to climbing the Everest in nothing more than a pair of shorts.
All of these gained him worldwide fame and his nickname: The Iceman. Wim has shown what the human body is capable of once you find the flow within your physical and mental state. Right now he especially sees his new challenge in passing on his method to others to give everyone the opportunity to reach out and do more than what they thought they were capable of. Through the right training and exercises, you can strengthen your inner nature and prevent disease.
A new breathing method and the confrontation with the cold
As a first step, you can start by training the way you breathe. Wim developed his method by the teachings of nature. As a result, Wim ran half a marathon barefooted above the polar circle, climbed the highest mountain on earth in shorts, and many other achievements! Training the way you breathe and exposing yourself gradually and controlled to the cold can help you control and positively influence your immune system.
The benefits of Wim’s method
Besides helping you learn how to control your autonomic nervous system, Wim’s method has the following benefits:
- Positive influence on the immune system
- Positive influence on your mind and body
- Improvement of blood circulation
- Improvement of concentration and focus
- Greater self-confidence and conscious development
Hof holds 20 world records, including a world record for longest ice bath.[2] Wim describes his ability to withstand extreme cold temperatures as being able to “turn his own thermostat up” through breathing exercises.[citation needed]
2007: He climbed to 6.7 kilometres (22,000 ft) altitude at Mount Everest wearing nothing but shorts and shoes, but failed to reach the summit due to a recurring foot injury.[3][4]
2008: He broke his previous world record by staying immersed in ice for 1 hour, 13 minutes and 48 seconds at Guinness World Records 2008.[citation needed] The night before, he performed the feat on the Today Show.[citation needed]
2009: In February Hof reached the top of Mount Kilimanjaro in his shorts within two days.[5] Hof completed a full marathon (42.195 kilometres (26.219 mi)), above the arctic circle in Finland, in temperatures close to −20 °C (−4 °F). Dressed in nothing but shorts, Hof finished in 5 hours and 25 minutes. The challenge was filmed by Firecrackerfilms, who make productions for BBC, Channel 4 and National Geographic.[6]
2010: Hof again broke the ice endurance record by standing fully immersed in ice for 1 hour and 44 minutes in Tokyo, Japan.[7]
2011: Hof broke the ice endurance record twice, in Inzell in February and in New York City in November. The Guinness World Record is now set for 1 hour and 52 minutes and 42 seconds by Hof.[8] In September, Hof also ran a full marathon in the Namib Desert without water. The run was performed under the supervision of Dr. Thijs Eijsvogels.[9]
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“Modern life keeps us comfortable, but I found something different in ice-cold water. The cold can feel painful, yet I approached it as a seeker. I had practiced karate, kung fu, yoga, and other disciplines, but cold water was like a sharp blade: it cut through everything and reached the place where the mind meets the deepest response of the body.”
From the conversation“People called me the Iceman, but I said that everyone could learn this. It took me years to discover the method’s simplicity, effectiveness, and accessibility. People with no cold training learned within four days to spend hours in freezing temperatures wearing shorts. The point was not spectacle; it was reconnecting with an inner capacity shaped by nature.”
From the conversation“An industry can become financially rewarded for keeping someone as a client rather than helping that person recover. When money creates that incentive, the system becomes unhealthy. We need a different paradigm of lifestyle and thought—one that investigates, through science, capacities people may have to participate more actively in their own health.”
From the conversation“We need to recover something of tribal life and connection with one another. Breathing, cold exposure, and belonging to a supportive group can reconnect people inwardly. The claim must be tested through science, but the aim is practical: to develop greater influence over happiness, strength, health, hormones, and immune response.”
From the conversation“A garden dies in the corners that are never watered. The brain and body also lose capacities that are neglected. Children should learn how to remain connected to those inner systems and support healthy chemistry. I try to demonstrate the method through brain scans, blood measurements, and accumulated data rather than asking people to accept it on belief alone.”
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Wim Hof
Wim Hof is a world-famous extremophile. He is internationally renowned for his countless ice endeavors that range from being up to his neck in a cylinder filled with ice cubes for over 90 minutes, swimming long distances under polar ice, running a marathon barefoot to climbing the Everest in nothing more than a pair of shorts.
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big dip and then I came across the television and the newspapers they took me on and began to challenge me to do all kinds of things and I did them all and although further 26 World Records later I found myself being interested by scientists the the challenge of gold fool fully immersed with the body inch of ice water is I found the real connection I was looking for a deeper connection than we all experience in comfort zone a viewer modern daily life
and I showed people within four days who had no former experience in the cold to go for hours and hours on end in shorts in freezing temperatures up to the top of a mountain and dance the Harlem shake up there you know man in ice water in those times like 40 years ago that that was something that was a crazy man an idiot nobody goes into my sport nobody that because the coal is is hostile is a hostile forest is something you need to
keep outside of yourself I just went into nature found out by trial and error all of my instincts my god and my intuition and found out that the cold actually is my warm friend you are the doctor you are the one who is able to intervene into your chemistry right now what is the pharmaceutical industry done it’s become a business it’s like there you know there is no profit in a cure there is nothing to be gained by curing patients so it becomes this recurring
cycle where you’re addicted to drugs opiates and these medications that you know essentially there’s nothing being cured so folks Xavier katana here Wow wim HOF you may have heard of him in this conversation we go over not only just the methodology but the science that when his team and the work that Wynn is doing how it’s affecting the traditional understanding of healing and health and how we understand our bodies and ourselves this
podcast is about reducing stress reducing cortisol and talking about the interconnected nature of all of us so hopefully you guys enjoy this episode as much as I did this was our second episode with wim HOF and it really is remarkable thank you guys so much for listening here is mr. wim HOF
[Music]the human experience in session might guess for today is mr. wim hof wim it is a pleasure sir thank you for making the time to be on the show today thank you let’s heat it up and good so so busy with all kind of things internationally there’s a lot of pressure well a lot of things going on and that was not like 40 years ago the way of the death bread I thought that there must be more than meets the eye and that’s a that actually is a is a
jungle of nothing and there you are in front you know somewhere inside that jungle of the mind there must be a way to understand the world better than the way I was meeting it I saw a lot of suffering and depression and disease and a war and chronic stress and all that I saw that in the world and I thought that there must be another way yes there I went into looking into scriptures and all kinds of things philosophies traditions cultures languages
disciplines but none of them could meet the challenge of gold fool fully immersed with the body into ice water his for I found the real connection I was looking for a deeper connection than we all experience in comfort so we havea modern daily life I found it in ice-cold water i Scott worries yes it is painful it is painful or at least we think it is painful it wasn’t to me because I was a man in who a seeker the seeker of the soul soul search him and I
did all those things like karate and Kung Fu and and yoga and all those things but the cold water really is like a katana it’s like a knife it’s like a sharp knife you don’t feel it but it goes right through you to the bottom of everything is where the mind is being stilled and only what remains is the experience so there is there is something about the cold water that when you immerse yourself in the cold water it snapped you into a sort of state of
awareness a hyper conscious sort of sort of state of awareness absolutely you can call it hyper you get all of hype oh uh yes outside of the minds conditioning I was looking for that I did not know at the time you know by thought hey this is it and this is because of that ah blah blah blah blah I had no reason but only feeling that feeling I followed all that winter every day I was you could fight me in the water and actually I kept it very secluded
because you know man in ice water in those times like 40 years ago that that was something that was a crazy man an idiot nobody goes in the ice water nobody that because the coal is is hostile is a hostile force it’s something you need to keep outside of yourself when you go into the cold water you naturally go into deeper breathing the first time you go into cold water you automatically do it’s not fully the reflects goes oh yeah you know what it
is that is that the body needs to meet up with the cold impact with the power of the stressful impact which is a power of force on the body and therefore it needs to change in chemistry and how do we do that how do we change the chemistry by deep breathing and that’s what I did I remain calm but the breathing really went deep so the chemistry there changed and I could stay in the water and that was very remarkable was a first meeting with ice
water and with my idea of what I was learned with that ice water is a hostile forest something new a it’s gonna make you sick and I was just looking at it witnessing a but I can do it I feel I can do it I was playing around with the ice surrounding eyes a thin layer of eyes there was I was playing with it I was witnessing that idea that idea of hostile force and all that it was not it made me breathe deeper and collect consciously deeper within myself
and it felt good wim do you think do you think that you are some sort of special human or do you think anyone can do this this is available to anyone right yes absolutely yeah 25 years I did it on my own I thought yeah everybody was saying he is this is crazy man he is doing that they don’t do what he is doing because it’s no good it’s the very unhealthy is very dangerous and and all those things and then I came across the television and
the newspapers they took me on and began to challenge me to do all kinds of things and I did them all and all more further 26 World Records later about myself being interested by scientists and those scientists began to run experiments on me whereas normal people cannot say take bacteria on injected and not become sick I did not became sick and when people are exposed to ice cold water in an experiment their core body temperature will go down drastically not
me and where the blood is a very vulnerable to flama Tory Marcus my blood while being in the ice no reaction to inflammatory markers whatsoever and they had never seen that before inside and then they said but you are the Iseman and I said no everybody is able to do this I can teach people it took me lots of years in the end his simplicity and the effectivity and at accessibility of a door and I show people within four days who
had no former experience in the cold to go for hours and hours on end in shorts in freezing temperatures up to the top of a mountain and dance the Harlem shake up they’re not suffering from cold and all know they had reconnected with their inner depth the way nature meant it be and then four days later all these guys and a percent score whereas the control group was injected as well with a bet yeah David Icke and my group all of them
100% did not became sick yeah I read about this yeah wrecked the immune system and that’s the way we are built but we think Cole is it is a hostile forest and we live in a comfort zone behavior and we got conditioned no guys we are weakening our systems inside and those are there yes and when I want to talk about the physiological effects of cortisol and stress what’s happening in your brain I mean this is not conjecture or just speculation as you like to say
that this has now become science these these people are now studying what’s happening in the brain as we start to induce cold exposure and the breathing methodology so if you could just talk about what’s happening there in the brain when you’re when you’re immersing yourself like this what’s happening in the brain is that you learn to connect with the deepest part of the brain where is in scientific literature medical literature it was it was stated we are
not able to get into the brain stem into the autonomous nervous system the autonomous processes of the brain and thus we are not able at will to go into the hormonal system which is residing in the deepest part of the brain spoiled aqueduct of Grahame is fair but it’s just me then the thing is we are able to reconnect at will to go in a very stressful environment being able to activate at will their the adrenal axis and with that with the adrenal axis
activation at will you become the best of your functionality to confront the stressful situation that is in short now they are not only saw in brain scans that I was reconnecting with the deepest part of the brain now they are seeing that we actually are in the DNA itself and they are doing the studies both in Michigan the brain studies and in San Francisco the studies on the DNA and they see that by learning to go into the cold you learn not only to breathe
deeper your vascular system to become optimized and the boat the deep breathing and the adaptation or the conditioning of the vascular system to be able to adapt to cold temperatures those two they reflect on the DNA itself and they make protective proteins they make them activated the dust the protection around itself that means all the cells is being guaranteed and with that the longevity mechanisms of the DNA which is a teleme but also the
inflammation Ani transcription factors which is all dealing with the same DNA the inflammation is going down very favorable for the transcription factors for the genome expression okay that’s great another thing is that the length of your life is going to be longer because you are able to activate protective proteins around a cell which in turn helps the telomere to stay intact and each layer is that is about his cell division and
the cell division keeps on going that means you the length of your life is being affected effective positively and they are doing their studies right now in a San Francisco and there are more studies going on and a lot of publications car are going to come this this year over already completed Studies on inflammation and chronic pain cuz this this shit works they work and they are not mine they are work for everybody I just went
into nature found out by trial and error all of my instincts my god and my intuition and found out that the coal actually is my warm friend it brings about great amounts of energy a great vascular condition a protection for the DNA the ability to connect with the deepest part all part of my brain and thus we take over control over our lives you know it’s it’s amazing to me and one of the reasons that I love speaking to you is because you know we break down
what’s happening scientifically within the body in the microcosm but also we talk about the larger perspective of the macrocosm and how it’s affecting the larger picture picture as a whole because what is the pharmaceutical industry done it’s become a business it’s like there you know there is no profit in a cure there is nothing to be gained by curing patients so it becomes this recurring cycle where you’re addicted to drugs opiates and these
medications that you know essentially there’s nothing being cured it’s it’s just a big business exactly and you’re talking opiates and that is part of the endocannabinoid system and we had no visible connection with that possible impossible for humans and that is as well as stated in the magic medicine books and now I have shown to go intuitive and cannabinoid system big-time and I tell once again now the study is going to be a comparative study
where I will teach people who are dealing with the terror of the mind like bipolar condition and I you know we’re gonna cure them or make them give them back a sense of control within a couple of days after 10 years of medicines so what is that it is exactly as you say people who are in industry their goal is not to cure you but their goal is to keep you as a client and that is almost its its natural almost to do that because that’s the way you make your
money but I say it is sick it is a sick system the money suddenly is motivated to keep people actually from real curing we have to change our paradigm we have to change our lifestyle our weight thinking we are able as we are proving it in science over and over we are able to become much more in control of our hormonal system and immune system and therefore are able to master and guarantee our own health happiness which is mood which is hormones which is the
connection and strength which is energy and the control of the adrenal axis it’s all there it’s what we show through science people app to hey if you want to stay dependent on a doctor that is when you got trouble you go to the doctor and you take pills because the doctors they know they the pills are really not a cure it’s just killing the symptoms killing the signals killing the messenger not the core because they yeah the industry wants
clients today they are not going for for cures cures is when you go with your concentration with your focus and with your breathing in the cold shower then you are able to go to the core the core is namely a wrong chemistry in the body and it’s sounding a pain signal or and many other signals to show hey get your focus here get your concentration here do something about this there is absolutely the ability to cure and to remove the course of the of the
wrong chemistry inside which in the end becomes a disease that’s all logical I mean in in in in animal world there are no hospitals and no pharmacies they kill themselves they go within themselves we on top we have a big conscious power willpower and we can learn to use that to cure ourselves to direct our mind power which is neurology its neural activity together with the hormones and the breathing is very effective to take away the course of
disease and you know many chronic diseases yeah the professor’s now tell me I work a lot with professors and doctors they tell me and 20 years is gonna collapse the whole system the healthcare system is gonna collapse you know why because of chronic diseases in chronic diseases a time for the time being still are able to be patched up with all kinds of pills medicines but it’s certain amount they become invulnerable immune to their medicines
it’s great for the industry but very bad for our health and then what will happen with their chronic diseases it will mutate it will change it says you are not doing anything about this so I’m gonna look for a different way you know I I find it you know puzzling that around us every day you know we we sit on a subway and we don’t know the person who’s sitting next to us we don’t know their name we’re so immersed inside of technology
and our phones we don’t look up out of our phones to see what’s happening around us we’re so disconnected by something that is supposed to connect us we’ve been disconnected from nature from each other from ourselves and with that you get a chemical of disconnection to be socially with each other you touch each other you be with each other you D tense each other now we keep our tensions inside there is no physical contact anymore
so the oxytocin which is very important for our blood flow in our body to D tense and to detox it’s not there so what happens you get people begin to suffer a kill number one in the West is cardiovascular related diseases and one of the factors the courses is the individualization absolutely it has a chemical effect and if we build up a lack of oxytocin which is very important for the blood flow to go without calcification and then another thing is
that the consciousness of ours we can think that we can communicate by telephones but we actually have to go back to the tribal that the direct way talking to each other being with each other there is all the right chemistry going on and through telephones the technology goes on but what nature shows us that we have to communicate that we want to communicate that we love to communicate but we have been build so individualized that now we are
in the telephone you see everybody into the telephone because now we have a little device which it goes against the way we have learned to deal with our neighbors and fellow people in the cities it’s completely impersonal and and in the telephone we can we can go back into our intimate relationship with people but how strange that has become yeah so all the technology great that shows only the reflection of an aha of the possibilities of our mind but really
we have to go back to our tribal being being with each other we have to change the paradigm so because nobody is listening to this that’s why I go through science and then we show hey suddenly we are able to reconnect inside by doing some breathing and cold exposure and being in the family you’re like a tribal B tribal man it’s good for us chemically is the right thing to do then you become in charge in control over your happiness strength and health
which is the hormonal system and the immune system and that is the way nature built us and we are equipped with all those tools only we are wrongly schooled how to use them and how to guarantee these core values of lost core values namely the guarantee to become happy strong and healthy it seems like we are on the precipice you know either either we find something that is a fundamental change we correct something in the system that is so
fundamentally flawed and so systemic and so widespread and there’s so much disease and it’s so rampant and people are suffering from mental illness from depression to bipolar to so many things and and we need so badly things like this people like you who are teaching others to connect with themselves again to connect with nature again yeah the next step is to show this by science and I’m doing that already we have tens of thousands of data showing a man this has
never been seen before and now there are people able within a couple of days to change the control over their physiology intensely and very deeply and guaranteeing them to be able to say and off bacteria and off inflammation and our depression therefore or impaction and it’s all there so we just give the people a choice try to make it as widespread possible with your podcast and show the guys their non dogmatically there is a choice you want to become happy strong
and healthy scientifically endorsed we got it we found the techniques and this is the shortcut to go back into the image in nature of ours which was originally built to be happy to be able to be happy strong and healthy and every time when it goes out of balance out of this control to come back and those techniques we have so our concern ume Sevilla bring this out there and who showed and that that is the next step because we are not forcing people we are
no religion we just signs non-speculative choice you can make there’s no Dharma if you want to be happy strong and healthy here it is yeah I mean women like I consider the work that you’re doing incredibly important I know that you are working with many people in your training them they’re you know they’re taking your courses and they’re learning about this so that they can teach to others and in the last in a few years I mean I think the first time
that we talked it was you know you weren’t as widely known and now it’s it’s like you’re on Vice you’re on so many other different programs where people are talking about your work people are discussing your work and the information is getting out there I mean when what do you say to someone you know struggling with depression listening to this and they are struggling with some level of disease what is something they can do for themselves it has been made
so complicated that depression you go home he can do that with pills and medicines I tell you it’s not in psychotherapy alone is not good enough you yourself are able to make the change like right now within our power begin to breathe deeply inside and let go deeply inside and let go just keep on doing it for 30-40 times until you feel light had it loose in the body that means that you have changed the chemistry the blood and the blood goes to the head
in Indy brain there is the chemistry wrong because there is a lack of serotonin melatonin dopamine balance that is what is creating the depression and now because you are regulating the right chemistry with that blood straight flow to your head you are a rebalancing the dopamine serotonin levels and since the depression is gone because there’s balance so his absence of balance there is depression or has over tangent you got over tangent or depression go too
much or too little but we don’t know how to keep and to change the chemistry and dust to get the balance back and I tell you with the free app if you just download the free app and get into this practice I can explain it all but there is no not too much time and time really you don’t need time they made it too complicated let’s take it on simply you are the doctor you are the one who is able to intervene into your chemistry right now
deep breathing follow the app and you find out we got many many people hundreds and hundreds who are treat of depression it’s all not scientific it’s anecdotal but who cares they are healed and so are you so are you able to heal your self to make the chains those are all the stress factors of the past they have resulted in chronic stress causing a deregulation in the immune system causing inflammation going through from the gut
through the gut barrier to the brain and they are causing the depression of the dopamine serotonin and now you are able to turn all that process because it’s biochemistry and we are as shown in hospitals how to get a hold of the biochemical processes and become in charge and consciously at will and make the change within there so do it what is the biggest challenge been for you through this process of you know coming forward with your work has there been
something that you’ve you know struggled with or something that has you know personally or you know business-wise has there been anything like that I lost my wife at 95 at for children’s he suicided and she was so enthused kids in front a schizophrenic and I had no power and now I have the power because I went on a search I worked now with those four kids every day together we are happy and it’s all great and I have a new little baby I’m
back in the lab back in business back in the life everything you know why because I went off because I believe there is more and that following that belief is coming finally across something deep inside which always was existence only never been schooled that way with I tell you from from the start as a young kid you are stupid you are stupid you are stupid you’re stupid what do you think that hasn’t got any effect on you of course it does
now the lies they are very devious they’re getting in with that we have to learn about history and mathematics and they brainwash us they brainwash us in in primary school then in secondary school then in the university to become a member of a society a system which is making money not happiness not strength not health no money and that’s gorgeous all the chronic stress but nevertheless they do it anyway and I tell a man I love people and people should go back to
the senses the comments and we’re in the core values to be instructive because people need it so in the primary school there needs to come subjects not only mathematics in history and language but happiness strength and al and practicing it so they never lose the balance the natural balance and the sense of control within ever because a happy man doesn’t eat six cars to become more happy than five cows four houses or ten wives and
or women ten man I don’t know you know all these numbers like money we are no money we are happy beings we have strong beings and healthy beads if we just keep in our balance like a baby the ladder grow up in love to become the most beautiful of beings the mind is so beautiful if it only has natural growth and development without force without narrowing the consciousness to become twisted if you become all been happy strong and outlet
while goes and then you can see in the neurology of the brain it all connects to each other you can see it in brain Spence unhappy people they have just in activity people who are depressed they have inactivity in certain parts of the brain logically there is no pressure there is not the right chemistry and they don’t know how to solve it we are wrongly scooped and now what this method does is bring back the right blood flow everywhere in the brain and
with that the inmates control from the brain over the hormonal system which is guiding all the body it’s done present the way nature meant it to be but if we have like a garden and you don’t water the corners of your garden then suddenly that becomes very dry and it dies and that’s what we deprive our braids that’s what we have to learn the kids to never get lost there in the brain and given always the right chemistry that’s what I show I show it in brain scans I
showed in the blood with tens of thousands of data this isn’t true method and it works without money it’s you coming back to the belief that you are able to direct all the systems within yourself and to have easy your mind that means control over your brain that means control over your chemistry and it’s there the chemistry as simple as it is follow end up breathing that changes the chemistry and you believe suddenly is able to connect your neurology suddenly
is at will is able to do right the hormonal system and the immune system at will it’s all there you can look it up it’s your chores you want to be happy strong and out there it’s there we love you but it’s not about you know hippie love something this is real strength this is this is real strong a happy and healthy when my friend thank you so much for your time man I know we spent a whole other hour doing this and there there were some sound technical issues
but you know you were so very gracious with your with your time and and lending your energy and your presence here where can people find the wim HOF method calm is that where they go to the website yeah that’s a that is a way if you go wim HOF method calm you get automatically at the website that is the website I think yes that is the website and there is the app you can download the app there from if you want more there is more of course but we have to
make costs we go all over the world we are spreading the news and we are doing signs everywhere in the world 11 universities right now because they are finding out that this works and and these are a lot more studies but it’s all very costly so if there is a free app you can learn it all you can learn about the physiology under and the know-how and the scientific studies so there for free if you want more you get into the travel
into the online video course and yeah the events I do you can either camp become a therapist with us within a year and that means you can become a teacher of the method yes and I tell you this will be part of the healthcare system all over the world in the coming years it’s already been accredited in the u.s. it’s gonna go all over the world the whole world is talking about this and why because it works and why in the end because it is
scientifically endorsed it shows that in many many angles of many disciplines scientific disciplines that it is that works when my friend thank you so much for your time we’re gonna get out of here guys this is the human experience you have been listening to my guest mr. wim HOF find his work at the wim HOF method calm thank you guys so much for listening you will hear from us next week hey folks I just wanted to take this moment to let you know about a new thing
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