Episode 70 – Peter Sage – Success & Self Mastery

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up guys your friendly host Xavier katana here Wow is all I can say regarding this episode with mr. Peter sage what a truly remarkable human being I really think you guys will enjoy this episode it’s a massively transformative conversation in it we discuss success gratitude how to be more authentic within yourself and your life Peter is a world-class thinker author entrepreneur he is on just so many different levels it was just an

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ladies and gentlemen this is mr. Peter sage enjoy the human experience is reinventing entrepreneurship and self-help as we speak to my guest mr. Peter sage Peter it’s a pleasure sir welcome to hxp and my pleasure indeed it’s great to be here and very excited to be on the show here I mean you have such a wealth of knowledge you’ve been in this industry for at least 25 years you’ve started over 20 companies and a wide range of fields you’ve received

numerous awards you’ve written at least four books where does where does this inspiration where does this Drive where does this fire come from within you what a great starting question and I would have to say that that journey really follows that the journey that a lot of us have in terms of evolving and maturity the the challenges with a lot of people is that you know we get to mature biologically without any say in it but maturing emotionally or

spiritually is obviously a choice it’s very different and not a path that some of us are even aware that is available to take and certainly in my my early day is a lot of the impetus for the patterns that I run the success that I had the businesses I started were all driven by in you know say my 20s or late you know teenage years and my 20s were very much driven by trying to avoid insecurities trying to prove to the world I was good

enough trying to wear that S on my chest so that people would actually validate me and so a lot of my early achievements it was kind of a two-edged sword you know I got me into financial success it got me lots of significance that people saw me out but the trade-off was I was very Hollow very you know very shallow and very empty inside and I think maturing through that and very fortunate to have several insights towards my sort

of late end – that really shifted the game for me and so the reason I do things now and the reason I know do what could even appear to be similar actions and behaviors from the outside perspective I’ve driven very much from a deeper and different place so yeah it’s kind of a continuum of how I could answer that question following the journey that I’ve done mm-hmm okay okay so so I mean I’m sure that you get this a lot what in your opinion I mean you you you talk

about you know conquering insecurities but I mean what in your opinion Peter is is one of your your kind of your your keys one of your key your your Keystone to you know success or self mastery well it would have to start with essentially understanding a lot of the most limiting patterns that we run many of which are conditioned before we hit seven years old and the biggest one is obviously the the primary fear as I call it which is

the fear that were not enough and most of us grow up with this fear because of many different reasons whether it’s having to act a certain way as a kid so that we get approval from parents because the method of teaching rewards good behavior or withdraws approval from bad behavior and so we learn to adapt on how other people or how we think rather other people would want to see us and that instills a lot of insecurity now that can be covered up by the flip side

of the coin by being too confident or arrogant or self-righteous or it could be you know manifest through insecurities or shyness or pleasing people or you know constantly getting smaller boundaries that we don’t stand up for so really understanding the primary fear and its role that it plays in our life is one of the prerequisites or fundamentals of really understanding self mastery I would put a very close second to that which is tied in avoiding

what I call goop you know I spent many years in goop swimming in this nasty smelly sucks it’s called gook GOP otherwise known as the good opinion of other people hmm and so many people are driven by the good opinion of others because they’re desperate to be liked to be validated to be told they’re good enough to be accepted to you know all the usual suspects and if you only understood what goop is as an illusion and how much you’re selling yourself short on your

potential for fulfillment joy and love you would only be too keen to get out of it so you know in a very short brief nutshell I would say understanding the primary fear of the fact that we’re not enough yeah and that could be not good enough not it’s all enough short enough good-looking enough rich enough certain enough whatever it may be and getting out of the good opinion of others so you don’t walk through life as this unconscious giant adaptation machine

always trying to adjust your behavior or consciously or filter through things before it comes out of your mouth what you think other people will think or say or yeah view us so yeah yeah Peter I again we’re staying and you know that that opinion of others is you know it it seems like such a limiting limiting thing in it and it can kind of box us in it puts us in an in a in a box where we you know we’re we’re we’re kind of isolated by what others may or may not

think of us and and you know you’re and and I find through your work it you know you you really do focus on the things that and I’m digging and I’m digging right in here with with the conversation with you just because I feel like I can I can kind of communicate with you on this level this quickly but in your work you seem that it seems that you are you address the willingness to experience failure right away I mean is that I mean

is that it’s not a big part of your teaching the the ability to fail and learn from that that failure absolutely if a failure will rather fear of failure is what keeps so many people locked this side of their potential and if you only explore it what does failure mean to somebody the projections that they ascribe to failure and never what’s actually experienced if they happen to X go through that so yeah it’s a giant illusion so giant ghosts so it’s like a

a hand puppet with a flashlight and projecting a bigger shadow on the back wall and so yeah is it yeah impossible to avoid failure well yes if you never try anything what’s that what’s that what’s the point in being alive if you’re not gonna do something remarkable so for me failure is your capital now you you don’t see a baby yet you know 12 months old trying to walk and falling down and say you know sorry I’m not gonna do this walking thing I’ve tried

four times now I hurt my knee I’ve forget it I’ll just sit out the rest of my life no no it’s all babies that don’t have at that age the filter of the good opinion of others are driven to go through that experience that so that they can get the feedback learn from it adjust adapt to move forward well enough that should be the same in learning how to walk or business or mastering relationships it’s the same process but when we overlay on top of that all it

means I’m not good enough it triggers the primary fear we tend to avoid it which is why so many people spend their entire life it usually takes me about six hours in one of my workshops to get people to really understand this emotionally not just intellectually so they actually act on it and adjust and that is that most people spend their entire life of engaging in behaviors unconsciously that aren’t designed to avoid emotions they don’t want to

include right justify as I’m not I’m not cut out for that oh that’s just not me oh no I don’t like that and it has nothing to do with a conscious preference has everything to do with justifying the left side of the brain it had to say oh no I’m gonna not engage in that and yeah you don’t you don’t come with excuse I’m not cut out for that no this is not good after it means I’m not willing to fail to learn until I get good at it you don’t want to take you

your child and go to a surgeon who says I’m a cutout brain surgeon I’ve never had a lesson on how to do it but you know I’m pretty cut out for this no you want to know he’s been for four years in medical school and gone and going on to have experience and and everything else is the same with life but he’s had to yeah go through his trials and tribulations in order to master and include not good enough for fear of failing his exams or you know not being

able to pay for college whatever it may be it’s part of the journey that makes sense yeah absolutely Peter you work with a lot of very high-end business professionals entrepreneurs and just people in in regards to coaching and and the way that you kind of help them with with their lives and their businesses you know what would you say is the the first thing like let’s say that you’re starting out with a client I mean how do you how do you begin to kind of to

assess that what is necessary and how do you how do you break break into the mold of a person when you’re when you begin to speak to them a couple of things one is you know there’s only so many patents of human behavior and working in the industry and yet the field of psychotherapeutic intervention and coaching there for as long as I have they become pretty easy to spot just like this there’s only you know eight notes on a keyboard and you know and

most musicians or composers can dial in quite quickly on knowing which ones they are and now there may be weave together in different combinations that make different sounding music but you know they’re fundamental notes are the same it’s the same with human behavior that’s you know a thousand different expressions of that but only so many underlying notes that cause those melodies to you know to act out so you know how do you spot them the people are

a walking projection of their patterns it’s it’s very easy to start to notice but let’s look at the usual suspects yeah one of the first things I go for us what are the top driving needs of somebody because that will tell me far more about them than probably the person that’s married to them knows and what I mean by that is that you know we all have a a certain amount of needs that drive us and I chunk it down this is a model I learned from you know working

many many years for Tony Robbins and it’s a moral core human needs and it breaks down the personality into four needs the need for significance in order to fill yeah yeah independent unique special a personal sense of identity and need for love and connection and need for certainty and I need for uncertainty or variety and then we have the the needs of the that where fulfillment comes from or the needs of the the soul but needs of the Spirit and

that is the need for growth and the need for contribution everything in nature grows and contributes beyond itself in some way or it’s taken out of the food chain now in society today the two most destructive needs that will take you south every time is the need for certainty which most people are addicted to and the need for significance and you know you can’t avoid these that they’re part of the game we all have some level of requirement for need for significance

and some level of required for any percent see if I wasn’t certain that you know the that the ceiling wasn’t gonna be staying up in the room I was and I wouldn’t be in the room so there’s a basic requirement when you make those your highest needs and it’s usually the top two out of the six that drive them 80% of your behavior mm-hmm so if you are a significance driven person you are going to be constantly framing things in a way that tries to make you look more

than or overcompensating for what you perceive to be yeah we care as our insecurities you’re constantly reminding people about how great you are in subtle or or not so subtle ways you know it’s all about you it’s egocentric it’s what can I get out of this conversation or look at me or how do i elevate myself yeah there’s no yeah there’s very little humility no there’s this very little focus on how do you serve somebody else’s you know for the greater good for

their needs to make them feel special not as a horse trade so they can approve you and tap you on the shoulder and give you a thumbs up and that’s just a vehicle to lines yourself to seduce yourself under the guise of contributing when it’s really significant that’s driving the bus or a certainty you know I didn’t leave my job oh no I have to know that my partner loves me or yeah I’ve got to make sure that I can pay the mortgage or now if

you are driven by those to us in your top two I can predict most of these scenarios that happen in your life as opposed to somebody who has evolved a little more yeah let’s say emotionally who has let’s say growth and contribution as higher needs or love as higher needs than significance uncertainty then yeah that’s a very different life forget the outer world circumstances or what looks it’s a very different life now from how you interact

with it so that’s one of the first things I really look for is what are the real driving needs that are pushing this person unconsciously 24/7 it’s remarkable I love it Peter would you say that you know like in with your when you’ve had a lot of wide-ranging success and in what you’ve done and working with Tony Robbins and and sharing the stage with other visionaries luminaries and Bill Clinton you’ve been exposed to sort of other side of success that I would

say not many people or not many people have yet kind of accessed is is there something that you did differently than then then other people that were 20 years old while you were while you were doing you know while you were writing a book when you were 18 I mean who does that well I would say one of the the key characteristics that I that was responsible for a lot of my experience which is success and a lot of failures you know and it ties in is the ability

to handle or embrace uncertainty again this is why you see it’s a very different life somebody who is driven by the need for certainty is not gonna go on an adventure holiday they’re gonna want to sit by the beach and they’re going to research which airline has the best safety record and they’re not going to touch your destination as have a terrorist attack and all the rest of it yeah for me I I never really had much growing up as a young kid I mean my

parents weren’t wealthy you know I make my own games playing with sticks and and with stuff there’s no iPads or O’Reilly Internet in those things and I just had a great yeah great childhood but I was never afraid to lose anything because I never started with anything and you know as I went through school I started to realize that a lot you know the only people that that really get on in life are the people that try things and if

they work they work and if they don’t they don’t and if they don’t they try something else and if you look through history history is a great teacher but history has one primary lesson and and that is that yet I think the greatest lesson of history is that we just don’t learn or study the great lessons of history because we repeat a lot of the mistakes and so for me yeah I started to see that you know history always has and always will favor the risk-taker and the

paradox about that is that those that risk the least usually end up with the least it’s just if you if you’re driven by certainty your brain won’t tell you that when some mortgage to pay on Friday you don’t know how to pay yeah so for me the ability to handle an embrace uncertainty was a big factor in me trying new things swinging the bat going out falling flat on my face losing everything you know and I’m going again because for me it’s not the having it I

don’t care about the having it I’m not gonna take it with me at the end of the game you know how do I know that because the only people that tried that 3000 years ago with the Egyptians and what happened we yeah we we came along dug it up and stole it right so I’m not gonna take anything with me so it’s not the having it is they’re getting it it’s swinging the bat and if you could imagine what the primary pattern of life is how do I know that because everything

that we understand in the physical world or depending on how deep you want to get the illusion of the physical world now oscillates and vibrates at a frequency we know that the primary pattern is made up of yeah things that operate or vibrate at a frequency yeah there is a peak and a trough there is a number of cycles per second in other words the primary pattern of life is the wave and the characteristics of the wave is they go up and they have a beak and they come

down and they have a trough now if you imagine your life now on a screen in front of you and it’s a certain wavelength what kind of life do you want to live in order to avoid falling down into a deep trough you’ve got to sacrifice that by having a low peak and that’s a very narrow bandwidth to live your life in which you know it means that oh yeah I got to the end and luckily I didn’t fail because I didn’t try hard why would I want to live

that no that’s like going to a cinema and paying money to watch a boring movie I’m not gonna do that no I want my life to to have yet to be a frequency that’s so yeah tight yeah let’s get up in the gamma range here yeah and yeah I know that in order to see the view from the top of the mountain I’ve gotta climb the damn thing which means I can fall off I can I have to I have to work hard and I’m gonna have peaks and I’m gonna have

troughs and that’s the nature of life I want my movie of my life to have everything drama comedy tragedies success romance that’s a movie that I want to go to pay to see I don’t wanna pay good money to watch James Bond rescue a kitten out of a tree for 90 minutes yeah that’s that that’s not that’s not the life I want to live just because I’m addicted to certainty no yeah if I don’t fall off the edge once in a while I’m not living close enough

to it and that’s kind of the impetus that drives me through this game of life so that yeah you know something I’m gonna crash and burn why because I had a high mountain to fall off and that was part of the game wow wow you’re good man it’s it’s good I like it so as I was kind of going through the research and we had Dave Asprey on a few weeks ago and you know he he didn’t know that you and I were gonna have a conversation and while while he and I

were talking he it was funny he actually mentioned you as as being one of the most listened to pod podcast he’s ever done people that I took people that I’ve talked to have told me that about how powerful your your speeches are and you know how you you just you simply you seem to have this sort of secret code into the human condition and you’re you’re I mean you you somehow hacked the system how are you doing this how have you done this

I said to take a breath I see I’ve got a little little welled up that’s that’s exceptionally humbling to hear you know I part of my messages I’m a normal guy you know if people put me on a pedestal then they automatically disconnect from their own greatness by giving it away under the illusion that I have something more than they do and I could I could never take credit for that I’ve been very lucky so maybe you’ve had the opportunity to study under some certain

masters or mentors I’ve had experiences but maybe some people haven’t they yet had the opportunity to have and yeah if that’s the case and I can I can draw some lessons from that and weave them in a way that kind of makes sense because I have to because I’m a pretty simple guy you know I I dropped out of school of 16 I’m not academic and and sort of passed that on to others what why wouldn’t I do that and if I do have you know something

I mean everyone has their thing yeah and mine is is probably just being able to phrase things in a way that allow people that understand what is either nebulous or complex and kind of make it a little more real and down-to-earth and that’s what they do and so you know hearing has is is quite you know it’s very very touching I appreciate it but again I too have the code I would only have to say one thing authenticity that’s what I try to be and

I’m not trying to say the right things I’m not trying to have the right answers and if I’m wrong and I’ve got blind spots as we all do then please I’m open to that because I’ve given up the need to be right I’ve given up the need to try to adapt myself to fit somebody else’s pictures and I did that by taking the emphasis on me trying to cover up my insecurities as I did for many many years to try to be somebody I thought it was important and really start to focus

on what as I say nature gives you as the best guidance and the way that life operates to flow with the current of the river rather than swim against it and that is yet growth and contribution and the membrane between the two is cooperation why why would why wouldn’t you pick up some litter in the park and put it in the bin when nobody’s watching because it’s the right thing to do because yeah why wouldn’t you other people say well why should I and this is

just two different ways of looking at life and if I’ve cracked a code it’s probably getting out of my own ego that was such burden for so many years and and maybe learning a little bit about how to add some more value and I said that would be an and being a keen observer of people as well not from a place of judging them you know I found out that yeah if you see somebody acting in a way that doesn’t fit your pictures which is likely to happen 100 percent of every

day that you’re alive because yeah that’s guess what they’re not designed to fit your pictures they’re designed to project their own pictures and live in accordance to their rules and dictates yeah people do things for reasons that’s a psychological fact may not be your reasons may not be my reasons to they do for reasons and so if you see somebody acting out certain way and it does it groans your gears it goes against what you feel the world should be or look

like according to you then if you see it as somebody doing something that’s their fault you were immediately likely to judge them and as soon as you just somebody you lose all ability to influence them or more importantly you lose all ability to learn from it hmm and so if instead if you see somebody acting out of accordance with how you think that they should act according to your righteous dictates on how you think the world should be no it’s seven

billion people have the same yeah mindset of how they think it should be in and they’re all different if you see it as the limitation not a fault why is it a limitation well they may not have had the opportunity to experience life the way you’ve experienced you don’t know what this story is we all have a story to justify Weber and yeah and so if you see there’s their limitation you’re far more likely to view view what they’re doing with with compassion or

tolerance or yeah acceptance or curiosity as to learn what you can learn from it then you are judging them outright for not being as yeah smart or as intelligent or whatever is or as right as you are so yeah that’s what me a long while to give up that game to give up judgment to stop criticizing people because they didn’t fit my pictures that yeah and and as soon as I did now I stopped fighting reality which was yeah quite a quite a big thing for me

because I’ve spent many years fighting reality only to draw the same conclusion every time the damn thing keeps winning you know you swim upstream and the current will always win now you’ve got energy you can fight the current you can swim against you can drive hard and most people go to their grave tryna play a game and unfortunately a lot sooner than they should do because they wear themselves out relax and understand the wisdom of the current just because it’s

not going in a straight line towards your goal the current bends and if you learn how to flow with that current rather than resist it you’ll find it will always take you down string to where you want to go and that you know I teach you a way back all living in through me so life is flowing through you rather than what I lived in for many years which is buying me like I will make it happen it’ll happen by me and and that’s exhausting now so

understanding the latest what we know now and science on how to flow with that River and use the mind not to fight the current but control your position in current CS that’s been a good sailor a bad sailor tries to control the river well I got news for you life’s a little more powerful and smaller than we are go go try that game and play I did for many years but if you learn how to flow with with some of the fundamental principles then yeah I may

appear as if I I have the illusion of of having make my act together a little more than the others hmm yeah well it’s very love the analogy of the river Peter what it is money the end goal I mean is money and we we have to we have to eat we have to survive you know you mentioned you mentioned that you know risk part of the risk you know it’s it’s about you know really just taking that risk and being willing to fail but at the same time for me and starting this

show you know I left a six-figure job and put all of my energy and time into running this this show and it’s it’s exploded because of that and I took a big risk and there was there’s a big reward my question to you is is money ever the end goal is money should money ever be the end goal if significance and certainty are you to highest driving factors then you’ll probably try to make money your end goal now there’s a massive fundamental flaw

with that which if you have anybody that or experienced somebody or been there yourself trying to make that happen that’s that’s a hamster wheel to nowhere yeah that’s a tunnel with no cheese and even this short term illusion and I talk about something called the curse of the white rabbit it’s like a dog chasing a rabbit on a track that is mechanical like you’re never gonna catch the rabbit not because the dogs not fast enough for you not

because you’re not a good enough entrepreneur not because you you’ve got the best diet or the best trainer the game is designed so you can never catch the rabbit and there now analogy there’s if you’re trying to chase the next goal and for most people the goal especially if money is fulfillment cuz money’s too conceptual and we’ll talk about some little more details I think I can add a lot of value to people that are on this hamster wheel yeah money’s conceptual

the only place in the universe it means anything is in the mind of a human that’s it it’s other than that it’s pieces of paper with dead people on it and it’s it’s shiny rocks yeah and shiny metal and hard rock that’s about it yeah we mean don’t you perspire called money now if you are chasing the rabbit of fulfillments which is ultimately what you think money will give you by running on the track of achievement no amount of money is gonna fill that void you know

oh when I make my first million then I’ll be okay well guess why you make your first million and you still don’t feel okay because now you’ve got to make two million in case you lose the first or yeah now you go or when it gets to ten million yeah if you look back at your 14 15 year-old self from where you are right now and you are able to go back and tell them what you’ve done away you’re at that 15 yard you would look at you say wow my god you made it you’ve

done what and you’ve traveled where and you’re earning what and you’ve got your own business did being or but you don’t feel like you’ve made it because there’s still another goal to catch there’s still another rabbit on the track you’ve got you know five fluffy white tails pinned to the wall already and you know you’re chasing the next one because that fulfillment still isn’t there and so if you start to think that by making money

the goal you’re gonna be happy you’re gonna be unhappy when you perceive you don’t have enough which is all the time you’re chasing so let’s just look at money for a second yeah money is nothing more than a byproducts or a consequence of adding value it is a medium of exchange that’s all it is it’s a universal medium of exchange that we’ve created so that yeah five thousand years ago when we were trading goats and chickens and I wanted chickens and you

wanted goats but yeah but we didn’t have a compatible way to find it because you didn’t have any goats right now how many goats to trade then we couldn’t do business so money came along to be an equalizer as a medium of exchange that’s all it is you know people often misquote money is the root of all evil well I’m sorry that’s that’s that’s a crock the love of money is the root of all evil in other words if you are selling yourself and your values in

order to try to accumulate this thing called money then yeah we can have some problems and yeah that’s that pattern stems from a fundamental mistake that society conditions which is having people link mistakenly their self-worth and their net worth together trace it back to the to the primary fair oh I’ve only got X amount in the bank you know therefore you know I’m not good enough Oh Society will tell me I’m good enough when I’ve got you know X amount more in

the bank yeah it’s just us a crop you know if Richard Branson lost all of his money tomorrow yeah or I did it’d be a damn good excuse to go again I’m not defined by what’s in my bank and yeah then there’s been times where that’s been – a lot more than zero that other people are here wouldn’t want to swap over – for yeah yeah what it is it’s at all money’s at all so let’s just put it into a better perspective so people can get it sure yeah if you sit

in front of the fire yeah and you say I’m cold I really want some heat that’s like going you know to life and saying you know I’m poor I really want some money well the fires gonna sail all you’ve got to kind of go out and fix some wood yeah that’ll give you all the heat you want no big deal oh no no no no give me some heat first then I’ll go get some wood that’s not gonna work no I want money then I’ll go out and do it no money is a byproduct for

consequence of adding value the last time you got money was because you gave something for it of value first to someone else that you use that medium of exchange in order to pay for it and that could be 40 hours a week in a job or a product or a service yeah you don’t walk into the gym and say right give me some strength I’ll go to lift the weights yeah that doesn’t work you could have put the time and you’ve got it you’ve got to go and

contribute something in this case lifting a bar that’s too heavy to lift in order for your muscles to grow then you get the strength oh I want to have money no you don’t you want to have what you think money gives you because you’re living in scarcity now were you driven by certainty so why don’t you go and focus on how I can add value become a person of value contribute something of value and you look over your shoulder one day and say where did that money

come from but if you’re chasing money you are chasing your tail because you’re trying to chase the effect not the course so go focus on the course don’t lift the weights go fetch the wood and money will follow this was not it’s not difficult it’s not conceptually hard to understand but if we make if we make money into something yeah and therefore we chase it then it’s never gonna appear in abundance in our life and you know let’s

talk about wealth for a second what is wealthy very simple wealth is nothing more than the perception of abundance whose perception your perception my perception you take some kid in Africa and put yeah ten thousand dollars in his pocket and he’s gonna feel a lot more wealthy then you take a multi-millionaire and take them down to a million it can’t be the money if it was the money they’d be like temperature be the same for everybody would all feel

the same it was fifty degrees in the room would all feel the same temperature no money’s conceptual so it’s the perception of abundance usually triggered by gratitude and so what is poverty very simple poverty is the perception of scarcity usually triggered by yeah fear figure of loss fear I’m not good enough and trying to have more in order to validate myself so how do you become wealthy immediately by focusing what’s abundant in your

if now that could be health it could be a relationship it could be oxygen yeah find something yeah and as soon as you start vibrating at the level of abundance then guess what happens yeah we know this on the quantum law that the outer world will start rearranging itself in order to present you opportunities that will then allow you to go lift weights in the gym to get the money you want yeah you still you still gotta lift the weights this isn’t a

meditating on checks in the mail now that will usually bring in a fiction notice so yeah it’s about doing the work we live in the physical world but we’re also metaphysical you know so we have the ability to impact reality with our mind that debate is long gone anyone here that’s still addicted to the materialistic view of the world yeah as been asleep since 1927 so yeah that’s if don’t even need to have that debate just go to look at the

latest research in science and every single attempt to validate materialism has fallen flat on its face it doesn’t exist this is a virtual simulation we live in every scientist is credible is coming to that–as west unless they’re more addicted to their now the the four years they’ve spent getting their PhD and why they’re identified with that being a real scientist and opening up to new possibility in light of new facts hey that’s my little my little soapbox

on it you nailed it I love I love the fusion of the the metaphysics with with the actual you know the the hard practical advice and just the perceptual shift I believe in that I practice that and it’s a good segue into my next my next sort of phase of this interview gratitude you know you just mentioned it how important is it to have gratitude Wow there’s there’s two states that allow you to raise your level of consciousness and your frequency to a

much higher point and I can get into the science on that if you wish but for listeners that yeah we’ll have a little more validation and thinking it’s mystical or woowoo but those two states are unconditional love and gratitude now I focus a lot more on gratitude with a lot of my students and people that come to my workshops or seminars because so few people reference for knowing or understanding or experiencing what unconditional love

is 99% of any love that people have in their life what they think is love is conditional love you know I love this person I love that person until they don’t fit my pictures yeah or I love this until something happens that violates my moral the world and yeah yeah unconditional love yeah somebody you know does something traumatic so somebody you really care about how much forgiveness do you have in the moment versus want to pull the head off yeah or

send them to jail so to be punished away yeah unconditional love is unconditional love conditional love is oh well yeah all of you up to a point but again very few people have references for that now some people evolve into it yeah the Nelson Mandela’s of the world the mother teresa’s of the world very few and far between now yeah that’s why I focus on gratitude gratitude is it carries a very different energetic signature all of which can be

measured done almost any other lower level of yeah of emotional signature see most emotions are nothing more than the after product of thoughts yes every thought you have creates a chemical yeah that that chemical or chemicals creates a feeling in the body that then you call an emotion so gratitude has a very different signature or two most emotions it puts you in touch with a heart centered connection rather than a mind centered connection most emotions

triggered our mind centered gratitude is heart centered it transcends logic yeah there’s and it raises the frequency so if it’s if it’s such a key to being yeah feeling wealthy no matter what you think is in your bank account if it’s such a key to raising your level of consciousness and vibration so that life can rearrange itself so you can flow with the river rather than swim upstream and bitch and complain about it then why you know why does so many people not not

grateful why because they are conditioned by society through the lure of for Mattie which nobody can escape yes the current of the river yeah it’s the 95 percent or you will conform to your surroundings in a world and outer world now we know in the outer world are simple yeah your body’s a 24/7 adaptation machine it doesn’t mind where you put it it’s jobs lots of questions jobs to adapt you put it in the gym it will adapt you put it in McDonald’s it

will adapt it doesn’t carry its jobs to do that but the mine’s the same the inner world is the same you program yourself with media and you start your being exposed to the latest news and news apps and push notifications and what you’re being told is going on in the world as a microcosm of what companies and media want you to focus on so that they can hook your attention and drill you into a state of emergency yeah biochemical response to keep you

tapped into watching their crap then yeah you’re not gonna have a chance to start thinking of things to be grateful for and so I haven’t watched a news report yeah I haven’t read a newspaper 15 plus years you know I don’t want and if you think that reading the news or watching like CNN yeah constant negative news there is a way that you can you know find out what’s going on in the world I’m gonna you’re in Disneyland yeah it’s like the world is

like the Amazon rainforest what’s going on in the Amazon very simple everything’s going on in the Amazon but if you’re there at night with a flashlight and you decide to shine it on every scary object or look at this year from being eaten by a snake or oh look at this tree dying because it’s been yeah got a parasite then that’s what you want to focus on then everything’s always available as opposed to oh wow look at this incredible hummingbird or look at this

new baby being born in as a rare species of something or look at this incredible flower everything’s available what do you want to shine your light on well I want to choose what I want to shine my light I don’t want to be told by somebody that’s got a hidden agenda a news is not charity it’s a commercially-driven deal and it’s commercially driven based on people the amount of people that engage in it so they can charge rate card and justify

advertising dollars that’s the business model everyone’s aware of that so have a lot of very intelligent people you have to come out of Harvard that go to work on Madison you know Avenue that you know figure out how to get your attention to hook you into that game and yeah if you are focusing on the MU if you were exposed to the media it is exceptionally hard to be grateful when you only have to look around and realize I can name five things right now I don’t

care if you’re homeless I don’t care if you’ve got a terminal illness I can give you five things right now to be grateful for and it’s just a question of where do you want to shine your flashlight yeah wow that’s so so powerful you know I love it reader I think it you know it’s it it falls into everything that I’ve I’ve been learning and kind of re relearning in my own experience you know the strangest thing kind of happened to

me a couple months ago some some opportunities kind of opened up for me and I would say my vibration changed you know the the frequency up I wasn’t that I was vibrating at changed and the most it was like The Twilight Zone these people who were vibrating at a lower frequency than me they simply dropped out of my life Peter it was like it was as if I suddenly had no like my friends people who I thought might were my friends or they were just gone and you

know it took me a little bit to kind of understand what was going on and and deep deep down and in my gut and back of my mind it was saying this this is necessary for the next phase in your life this is how these people are blocking you from accomplishing the next what’s what’s coming for you next so I mean you you discuss this as well you you talk about how we become just as the people we are around our environment influence and influences us as well I

mean can we talk about that a little bit certainly and let’s use an analogy I think most people can relate to let’s grab a whole bunch of tuning forks and let’s set them up around the room and yeah they’re all let’s say tuned in for the note C and take my seat because that’s why I’m vibrating it and I start vibrating and see every other tuning fork that see will start to vibrate Peter Simon I’ve been going through life I’m on my own

path I’ve been exposed to a few different things that I want to explore and I feel a calling to become yeah F I’m gonna be an F this is my game so bang guess what happens I start vibrating f what happens to all the other C tuning forks they stop vibrating in my world I don’t affect them they don’t affect me either they disappear out of my awareness and what will happen is other people vibrating at F will start to yeah I’ll start to notice I’ll

start to attract I’ll start to be in harmony with and that’s essentially what’s going on why because the primary pattern of life is the frequencies the wave we know that sound wave Lightwave microwave radio wave doesn’t is everything is made up of waves yeah and that this reality ok n is is so much of an illusion that people don’t understand and it’s a convincing illusion I think Einstein quoted that it’s a persistent one you know let’s

just take a finger now you go into a finger and you know you go through the epidermis and the dermis into the skin and then you get into the blood vessels and the new go deeper into the cell and then you go into the DNA and then you go into the molecular structure and then you go to the atomic structure and then what happens you go a little deeper and I give you a camera I shrink it down little GoPro and say hey dude fly around

the inside of that atom and take some pictures tell me what’s that we now know there’s nothing there nothing the actual illusion of what constitutes as matter represents zero point zero to the power of six one percent of the actual energy availability impossible it was there 99.9 to the power six is energy and potential there’s nothing there you’ll be flying around a giant empty space there is nothing there there is energy in you know that is vibrating of fixed

patterns there’s nothing solid about anything solid so I said wow that’s but when I pull back I get the illusion of solid so let’s go to modern yeah 4k super high def LED television fire pick somebody out of 300 years ago and put them in the room 20 feet away they’re gonna look and say wow look at all those people living inside that television now that looks so real it’s it’s so convincing that it sounds perfect if it is it’s them

and you get a bit closer and you zoom in and you walk up if I don’t actually know it’s not what it appears it’s actually glass that’s strange and then you got a little deeper he so I says you’re not any glass it’s actually it’s it’s LEDs is three flashing lights in primary colors and then you’ve got a little even so I said you’re not really it’s just it’s photons of light that are vibrating at certain frequencies there’s nothing actually

solid there and then you pull back twenty feet and it’s a picture again that’s the human body that’s the materialism of the world of the illusion that we live in so everything is frequency you vibrated a different frequency the people in your life that are vibrating a different frequency are gonna start to move away it’s not magic its science yeah it’s and that could either be a constructive interference pattern or a destructive

interference pattern and a lot of the time when people go through this transition by upgrading their peer group by tuning in to better quality information see when you’re feeling higher vibration so if it when you’re feeling lighter there’s a reason for that you are identifiying through higher frequency with the metaphysical side of you that something is the non-physical metaphysical I either wave part of you is radiational when you’re feeling low

frequency which is essentially what gives math of the illusion of matter you know if I was to raise the frequency in this room and I was to look through let’s say the x-ray spectrum I wouldn’t see your body the Freedman my frequency is too high I just see the density of your bombs if I went even higher and started emitting at the gamma spectrum I wouldn’t even see bones that you see like an apparition outline of the body and so now if you identify with higher

frequencies by accessing gratitude unconditional love joy humility compassion forgiveness high frequency you start to feel lighter why because you’re more identified with the radiation of a frequency side then feeling upset guilty angry yeah frustrated low frequency you feel heavier why because you identifying with the physical side it has mass its gravitational not radiational so therefore you feel more down it’s it’s yeah it’s only basic

forms of science that we understand and which one would you rather feel well it’s a choice yeah what’s wrong is always available if you want to shine your light on it but guess what soul’s right and by focusing on gratitude you know whether it’s being grateful for living in a time in human history that our ancestors have dreamed about you know whether it’s it’s living in a time where we’ve got you know medical intervention that can extend life that

there’s you know we can talk now to somebody the other side of the world in real time and see them and distance is no longer a problem that we’ve got technology that you couldn’t have dreamed about twenty years ago you got hot learning water antibiotics they wouldn’t have had a hundred years ago that you know we live in a society that is so evolving that we don’t have to rely on previous truth providers to give us their version of the world which for

centuries was religion yeah and then for the last five five hundred four hundred years has been yeah traditional Newtonian based science yeah we don’t need that now we don’t need to rely on our village guru to tell us how it is we can log online and choose from a multitude of different things and see what resonates so yeah it’s it’s a yeah how much more do you want to talk about I could go on but you get the idea yeah I mean it’s it’s really profound that

all these things are real and all these things exist and that simply by changing our perspective our viewpoint our you know our the way that we see the world and our own vibration that we can kind of lift into another you know a new experience a new level of experience and that that element of elevating our thinking I think is so crucial to success on all levels on a personal level entrepreneurial level and with you know in relationships and with the

people that you care about your friends your family your and you know so so I wanna I want to switch gears just a little bit here Peter if you don’t mind too much I want to ask you about you know I get I get a lot of emails per day I can only imagine how many emails you get per day but I probably get about 30 emails a day a few of these emails are people who are you know trying to sell me something and you know it’s it’s a typical sales ad and

it’s it’s a you know it’s it’s basically it consists of I have this secret and if you take my class if you take my course if you pay me money I will give you this secret and by me giving you the secret you will suddenly also be able to make money and be rich and be fulfilled and be happy I mean you you’re you’re in this industry where you know you’re you’re in the self-help industry where you’re helping others and you’re you’re

applying your wisdom and you’re giving them your value but I feel that I mean without mentioning names or anything like that I mean it there there are people in the industry that tend to not they don’t walk there talk there you know and it is just a sort of it is it is a very snake-oil thing for them and so I just I kind of want to get you know your your real life your your perspective on on what you think about that huh topic very dear to my heart you

know I I’m on a mission to reinvent the personal growth industry for the exact reason that you just described you know I’ve been in this industry nearly three decades that there’s not a guru such you could put on the table that I’m either yea good friends with or yeah I haven’t yeah I don’t know intimately in terms of their work because I’ve studied the industry foot foot for so long and 99 80 80 percent of people that get involved

in personal development self-help are usually worse off twelve months later or exactly the same but with a bigger credit card bill and it’s all based around what you just said yeah go buy my stuff cuz you’re you’re wrong you’re broken something you’re missing something but I’ve got the answer buy my stuff and I’ll fix it for you and it’s sold on false promises usually by people who even if they’re well-intentioned are more interested in what I can get you to

spend than I am in your absolute authentic level of success and yeah it’s the 80/20 rule I want to reinvent that into the other way around you know I want to raise the bar across the entire personal growth industry and essentially quite what it should be which is should be the personal growth and results industry yeah and yeah there’s so many people on this hamster wheel of ineffective self-development solve with the wrong intentions and it’s time that it got

shook up and yeah I’ve yeah I’m I want to be I think a lot of the reason I said people resonate with some of my messages the fact I try to be authentic you know I don’t make promises I can’t keep if I don’t yeah if I’m not worthy of yeah being able to add value to you I shouldn’t yeah I shouldn’t even contemplate being allowed to take or keep your money yes I provide programs yeah I’ve got my flat ship three-day event which I’ve put on I love to teach

it’s my passion I want to get out there I want to add because it changes lives and yeah I’m always constantly reinventing it and upgrading into to help other people I don’t claim to have the missing ingredient but what I do have a lot of the time is a fairly decent mirror to hold up to reveal your own greatness to show you some of the blind spots that you’ve been running through life they’ve being told that yeah you need fixing yeah if there’s

nothing wrong you the presupposition is that you’re broken no you’re not you’re perfect you incredible you’re amazing you may you may just be running some old outdated patterns around some belief systems you haven’t had the opportunity to question for a while if I start any premise that yeah you’re yeah you’re wrong and you need to buy my stuff in order to fix it then I need to get the hell out of Dodge no that’s that’s that’s not and it’s very where you see

people like that all right there’s some exceptions in the industry and I’m a big fan and fan and a good friend John Demartini John’s yeah John’s work very high-level George is a lucky one of my mentors yeah beautiful soul just I think it just wants to contribute but you know I’m I’m tired of the yeah buy my stuff too basically and let me sum it up this way let me sum it up remember we talked about the the rabbit analogy with a greyhound yeah a

vast vast majority of personal growth and development in the industry is selling people things and ways to make them run faster on the track to try to catch the next rabbit what if there’s a way where you could get what you wanted without having to get the rabbit because ultimately what you’re after is a feeling it may be a feeling of certainty it may be a feeling of significance it may be a feeling of contribution or love doesn’t matter what you think a million

dollars will give you is nothing to do with a million dollars the Stadion hence inherent value in a million dollars in cash and the the only real value is in the real world is if it’s cold and you can set fire so don’t get some heat mmm but money is a conceptual level of invention by humans to measure a value exchange so that you can go and exchange it for something that you feel you want that will ultimately give you a feeling

what did he get tap into that feeling before yeah well then you could go chase whatever rabbit you want because you enjoyed you see the greyhound at the end of the race is ecstatic yes he’s wagging his tail his pennies is is so happy why he got to run that’s what greyhounds are born to do entrepreneurs are born to build businesses that’s what they do I’m not saying don’t set goals I’m saying if you’re chasing the rabbit out of a need

to get something to fulfill a gap inside by focusing on something outside you are running on a hamster wheel to nowhere so yeah really understanding that the industry is trying to sell you a faster way to catch a rabbit that you can never really catch and therefore what happens you blame yourself yeah they take the 20% of people that would be successful anyway regardless and they hold them up as a poster child to say look and then

you beat yourself up because you’re not one of them after you take the course and try you know you Dardis for three weeks to make it work no he’ll reply it yeah or must be something wrong with me that’s it’s time people found out the truth there’s nothing wrong with you and if there’s a way you could shift contextually so that you could already have the feeling that you want and therefore yeah you can go out and chase rabbits and your next million and your

dream partner but it’s an expression of who you are to enjoy the journey rather than a destination you’re desperate to get to in order to feel good enough then that’s a different game and that’s what I’m working today yeah Wow I’m so glad that you know it was that question was you know on my list but it was it was like a you know I just I I’m so glad that I that I asked you that and and you you answered in the way that you did it really confirms you

know a lot for me and um so I mean Peter were you know we’re switching around here and we’re running out of time and but you know one last question here um sure if if there’s you know for that for all the people that are listening to our voices kind of speak right now and you know whatever challenges they may be facing whether you know it’s or it’s starting their own business or whether whether they’re fighting with their girlfriend or boyfriend or you know

whatever’s going on with them is there a single piece of advice that you could give someone that they can put into practice right away oh well he’s a single bit of advice everybody not yet everybody was the magic notes in the orchestra and yeah life is an orchestra so that there’s no magic pill but I’ll I’ll share one thing that may resonate with people which I think would make a profound difference and it comes back obviously to understanding you had an

escape you know the gravity well of the primary fear or goop you know if you if you can give up goop and all of that emotional energy that you vest in trying to appear a particular way even if you don’t think you do it’s usually unconscious yeah patterns that are running in the background and I’ll share with with listeners what I call my moviestar metaphor yeah and and that is that most people not everybody is starring in a movie called my life yeah I think we

could all agree with that yeah you’re in every single scene of your movie you are the lead character and your role is to play this role in the movie called your life while you’re here in this you know pseudo physical existence now the challenge is that by definition everybody else in your movie will be at best a supporting cast like a spouse or a child or a p.m. you know close friend 99 plus percent of people in your movie are only ever going to be

film extras yeah they play a bit part to fill in the scene and the second that they leave your scene you’re no longer mentally associated to them and your answer yeahwhat whoever’s in your next mixing now the challenge is because we’re so conditioned to see ourselves as the movie star in our life we automatically assume falsely that everybody else sees us through their eyes as the star in our movie well guess what everybody else is starring in their

own movie which means by definition that you’re likely a film extra maybe a best a supporting cast or a very fusion of small number of people so if you’re walking through life I think you’re all I’ve got up here this whale you know classic and I say for it for girls these days I don’t want to go down to the supermarket for that makeup you know what will people think or you know guys think oh I’ve got to drive this car because what will people think I Got

News for You listen carefully most people don’t care enough about you to bother to give an opinion because they’re too busy being worried about what they think you’re thinking of them as the star of their movie and what we do is we give away our power yeah because we’re all running around thinking everybody else is yeah I’m staring at me how do I act in this role so everyone thinks you know I’m acting the right role as the star

they don’t care you’re an extra in their movie and if you can skip the understanding of that yeah and it’s an everyday life you know you go to the bar and a guy standing there and he makes eye contact with a yeah great girl and there’s a bit of potential chemistry there and now that they’re doing this exchange and the guy’s thinking what if she noticed my form oh yeah what if she’s noticed my watch I want to notice I paid with a 50

instead of a 20 or you know what I’m drinking or what is the girl actually think in that mutual level of yet nonverbal exchange oh you know I wonder if my hairs you know gone frizzy in this this nightclub I wonder if you know my that ladder in my tights yeah my parenting helis yeah I want everybody’s playing the same game yeah and and girls listen to this and all ladies will understand the one thing that they would crave some guy to come

up not to spin him aligned in his version of his and he’s the next astronaut all right yeah or whatever he’s trying to leverage on his business card title and give a crap what what are women craving these days authenticity here’s Who I am here’s my faults here’s my good points here’s why I pick my nose here’s why you know what every did his okay I’m so Wow somebody real that hell did that come from you know we all want to do business with somebody like that

do we know I’m so recognizing that you know in today’s world of vibration where people are getting more and more tuned into trusting their gut rather than the commercially driven biased agendas of yes put out through the media there imagine we had two televisions coming out of each ear yeah one out of each year that was sort of playing on the screen all of our nonverbal thoughts what would that be like hmm scary for a lot of people but what if

that was the case because you imagine what would happen oh hi yeah I think this is the ideal deal for you you know it’s tailor-made it’s perfect and then you’d see on the screen I hope I really need you to sign this deal because I need the Commission to pay my bills or you know you got the guy in the girl scenario it’s like you know honey I really see a future with us and then he comes up on the screen yeah for tonight yeah well I got news for you

authenticity when you get out of the good opinion of others and you drop that emotional baggage that’s the way it is that’s the way it is we’ve kind of secrets you already know what a person’s truth is you’re just not listening to it because you tuned into your thinking sensor which has far more noise than the subtle energies of your feeling sensor which always not yeah we call it an gut feel insufficient doesn’t matter yeah doesn’t there’s not a police possible to

assault but doesn’t appreciate that and listen to it and so yeah if we could understand the game that we play this giant bubble that we walk around and called I wonder what everybody thinks of me with one insight can burst or piss that bob l’m have it go and walk around in the freedom of being US annexing ourselves or authentically not from a place of driven by significance that’s insecurities by children by you know how can i make

other people feel the star of their movie because that’s really what they’re looking for and then wonder why all of a sudden everybody wants to be part of yours and probably be my best advice yeah Wow Wow incredible Peter I thank you so much for your time your wisdom your words really really you know hit home very very very powerful conversation we’re having here what is what is the next step for you sir what is your I mean I are you are you doing a

new book are you is there a workshop that people can attend what where can they go to find out that information yes I mean I I’m I’m all about trying to spread my message trying to help as many people as I can and reinvent this industry as you said that’s that’s my passion I used to be a hobby I know I was a businessman first and entrepreneur first and so the speaker second and now I I’ve turned that into my physics is my passion you know I got enough signals

from the universe saying you know stop stop doing what you’re doing in the business world I’ve to take that box go help people you know really inspire people go but really try and free them from some of the limiting bondage of the thinking that’s been mismanaged for so many years because you can change a life like that in a heartbeat and so yes I might have a flagship event you know I’m an entrepreneur still so I have what I call the sage Business School I have a

three-day event the first day is all about reinventing who you are it’s nothing to do with business us it’s all about kind of drilling down of the stuff we spoke about then I’ll teach you how to make money I’ll teach you the mechanics of business I mean you cereal teacher that these days I mean it’s yeah it’s not difficult yeah we put some really good spin on it to reinvent entrepreneurs to give them the the character and the techniques and the

tools to do it but I love to do that that’s something that it’s a program I host maybe once twice a year you know I have a high-end group of people which I call my family my master circle we go away and do crazy things and yeah I do some online coaching as well but my passion and I am writing a book it is gonna be coming out next year it is going to be a road map for helping people navigate their life with far more use to be able to you know sail

downstream rather than fight the current and yeah you can check check all my stuff out Peter sage calm now I try to make it as easy as possible I try to put a ton of stuff out there on YouTube at my YouTube channel to really help people that I have limited resources and yeah if you get the chance to come to come to one of my event shake hands in person it would be a pleasure to be able to see you and yeah let’s let’s go change the

world together absolutely guys my name is Xavier katana this is the human experience you’ve been listening to mr. Peter sage you can find him at Peter Sage calm thank you guys so much for tuning in hopefully this episode affected you as much as it did for me we will see you guys next week you