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Kingsley Dennis Kingsley my good sir
welcome to hxp Xavier thank you for
inviting me
Kingsley you seemed to have such an
interesting life you’ve moved around to
a couple different countries you’ve
taken some odd jobs just so you could
pursue your writing career I mean what
how did you go through that walk us
through that well where should I begin I
I don’t know was I’ve been blessed or
cursed but I had the from a very early
age the the notion that I wanted to
write about things and to learn about
the world so naturally at the first
opportunity after university I decided
to to go and wander the world but in
order to do so I had to pay my way so I
decided to be to take up teaching in the
different countries and I took up
sociology after a while because I wanted
to learn about the world I was moving
around in and also been fascinated by
different cultures so my most memorable
I think time abroad was was the five
years I spent in Istanbul Turkey and and
traveling around that air of the world
and what I realized is that there were
parts of sociology especially I think
the systems theory and these systems
idea of evolution that I found matched
so well with some of the the oriental
teachings they let’s say the wisdom
streams but in fact I think Western
science was trying to look at it from a
different perspective so eventually I
decided to come back and after a bout of
teaching to really get into study of
social systems
consciousness human development
evolution and all these dreams which
more or less bring me back to where I am
today I mean I love your your writing
style cuts like a knife I just want to
read the passage the back passage of of
your book here the struggle for your
mind within society there exists a
silent war the battlefield is our
everyday lives our education our work
our leisure our emotional and spiritual
well-being and our thinking and
perceptions our very sense of reality is
deliberately engineered to work against
conscious evolution and preserve social
norms in short we are all part of a war
of consciousness and the opportunity is
at hand for us to win Wow mmm
sounds good on paper yeah yeah I mean
what motivates you to write about this
type of subject well again Xavier I
think it it’s the blessing of the cursed
element the yin yang is that from a very
early age I always sensed that something
wasn’t quite the way it was and that
this thing that we call reality was not
a set medium so I mean I think that
actually underlies all my or my
searching is trying to to get the core
of that and what’s at the core of it is
really what we try to understand as
human consciousness for me everything
goes back to human consciousness the way
that we perceive the world around us our
belief sets really makes up the world
that we inhabit so you know if everyone
around us believes something we tend to
fall into that and it’s when you look
into it in fact it’s so easy for
conditioning both social conditioning
and mental conditioning to take place in
fact it is always taking place since I
think since the earliest days of
civilization once you have civilization
you have to have a kind of consensus
reality and the more complex
scientists become you then have the
hierarchy of leaders which then have to
make sure that the masses kind of fit
into their belief system and say you
have this thing called social
engineering to give it a modern term
it’s always been around as far as
backers they I think you know it’s kind
of self reflective consciousness and so
really it’s it’s a science but it’s also
the basis for our reality set so light
is more malleable than perhaps you’re
taking credit for although I think some
of the the new scientists coming out now
with our understanding of the quantum
sciences and the holographic universe
notion helps us to give us tools
vocabulary to understand how flexible
and malleable the reality set is but you
know really who controls how you think
who controls the input you put into your
mind and the frames of consciousness
will therefore have a great influence
upon your reality it’s as simple as that
yeah yeah I mean you talk about in your
book you talk about the illusion of
freedom and how if a part of a prisoner
never sees the bars I mean how can they
know that they’re in a prison yeah it’s
a term I also like to use is smooth
captivity because I think our captivity
these days is so smooth and it’s been
engineered to be smooth that we don’t
notice it or we don’t wish to notice it
because it’s a smoother ride to stay in
the consensus reality we have and you
know and so we don’t wish to we have
everything around us and we have you
know this is also part of how society
has been let’s say developed and you if
you wish to go back to Marxism you could
but the idea is that people now can
acquire the very things that once they
produced and so we have most material
goods to keep us comfortable and before
the age of global
information that was more or less enough
I mean there were pockets of protest but
it was enough to keep us into the system
I think what’s happening now and as I
outlined in the stubble for your mind
the because we’re in such a moment of
bifurcation point of of current you know
of contention it’s because we’re now
receiving so much more information which
is showing as the bars of our prison and
that is upsetting let’s say the the
status quo of our societies because
we’re beginning to see beyond in the
smooth captivity and you know that is in
one sense a tool for empowering people
individually but it’s also a tool for
rocking the boat and so I think in the
years to come and possibly a deck in
decades this this kind of melting pot of
information communication technologies
global information technologies human
empowerment connectivity communication
consciousness it’s all really going to
boil over and no one knows where it’s
going at the moment and that’s why it’s
a it’s exciting and also unstable times
yeah Wow I mean I I ripped through this
book I loved reading it and I just I
just felt like you were on point with
everything that you had to say I mean
where where do you think I mean there
there are so many systems of control I
mean you talk about misinformation debt
distraction media technology I mean how
how wide and varied are the ways that we
might not be in full control of our own
minds and what effect is it having our
own on our own cotton conscious
evolution well loaded question that it’s
is everything that affects our minds you
know there’s an old Eastern phrase I
picked up which says you know greed for
doing good is still greed which means
that things which we think are helping
us other things which may seem
altruistic such as spiritual belief
systems
maybe those very systems which are still
part of the problem you know we see in
in the past I think the it was quite the
sources of this control were much easier
to spot take an example in earlier
societies it was much more a visual kind
of programming for example if a citizen
did something contrary to the monarchy
to the government or to the nation they
were visibly punished they could be tied
to a post in a square they could be put
into interchange they could even be
guillotine or hand or executed publicly
and that gave everyone a warning to stay
in their place and don’t mess with the
system you know you can’t get away with
that today you know I’m sure some
governments will probably like to put
people to a pole or something you know
you can’t get away with it in our
so-called democratic societies obviously
so it’s a much more it’s a much more
smooth way of doing it and we don’t
notice it and it it’s kind of like
function creep it creeps into all our
all our methods and in everything from
schools to everything our peers and even
I think one of the problems we’re having
today I see around us is that one of the
I think it can be quite dangerous is
spirituality itself and I think this is
a point which not everyone points at is
that there has been incredible
commercialization of spiritual themes
even if we if we mention the New Age
movement which was coming on the end of
of the great I say emergence of
transcendental technologies and and
pathways that came into the West post
Second World War even there I think have
become in a sense hijacked as well in
and commercialized and in fact a lot of
these spiritual technologies today are
also used a way of kind of brain
entrainment and and they are using a
sense of cognitive science
you try to get us to believe in certain
in certain ways so in fact it’s not it’s
not as clear-cut about what affects is
or not so in terms of the question you
asked about conscious evolution I would
say that it goes back to something very
very fundamental which is we have to
trust our intuition we have to trust if
I may say so Timothy Leary said that we
all have an inbuilt detector
which I think was his kind of cheeky
chappie way of saying that we have this
inbuilt conscience and intuition which I
I think is coming through a lot more
especially in the younger generation
today I see coming up because they’re
less the indigenisation are less easy to
fool I think and they are questioning
systems and authority more in a
constructive way so I think we have to
go back to ourselves really really not
in a quite a stark way and question
everything that we believe and come in
contact with and and try to strip away a
lot of of the baggage which comes with
living in a very dense rich and over
flowing information lee modern society
yeah it’s very intriguing I mean in the
in the same book struggle for the career
mind you talk about mechanisms in the
brain that are emerging that allow
neurogenetic evolution that will help us
throw off these kinds of mental prison I
mean what what is neuro genetic
evolution how does how does the
mechanism work and I mean how how can we
free ourselves another loaded question
for you it is yeah you like loaded
questions I turned a neurotic evolution
because I think we are learning a lot
more about human genetics in recently
and especially with our understanding of
epigenetics that is that previously
science told is that genetic
differentiation or let’s say
datian occurred over generations in a
larger span of time biological evolution
you may call it with epigenetics we are
learning that genomes can actually be
influenced and change within a lifetime
and intergenerational which can also be
passed on and so the question is what
influences human genes and I think when
I looked into it in fact it mirrors a
lot of the older wisdom traditions in
that biophysics recent biophysics has
investigated how the bio photons are
emitted by our DNA and all our physical
cells and this forms a field which acts
like a quantum field throughout the body
which is a way of information cellular
information being passed simultaneously
like an informational field and so this
biophotonic field is also in resonance
to other fields and influences and such
as let’s say sounds certain sound waves
which we can relate to the science of
mantras and zippers and certain
spiritual techniques also color as well
and so I mentioned for example there are
places which have specific color
orientations such as use of stained
glass windows in churches and also the
colors on on in rooms and so sacred
buildings have a certain you know
spatial structure and sacred German
genomics which also can’t affect
vibrations in the atmosphere so these
things which we thought as it’s perhaps
been fringe sciences can have a very
definite effect an impact upon field
electromagnetic fields which are part of
our DNA structure so if one goes into
meditation you know with there’s been
lots of research on EEG brain scans
about how we come into entrainment and
synchronization of our brains but there
isn’t yet the
technology to look at how our DNA fields
are being affected but I do feel that
these mechanics and I call them let’s
say spiritual tools certain forms
meditation using sounds using colors
which have been used for aliens in these
wisdom traditions I can’t have a marked
effect upon our genetic state so there
is a sense that we can come into what
has been called meta programming I think
there is a sense and this was touched
upon in in the America in the 60s with
scientists like Johnny Lilly who worked
with isolation tanks again Timothy Leary
looked at this and several others which
they call it meta programming so I think
there is a way that we can consciously
try to work in programming the very
structure the very similar and internal
structure of the human body that can
work towards let’s say our opening up
our own latent faculties and capacities
which really is not it’s not really been
out in the mainstream much yeah I mean
how would you there’s a sub chapter in
your book where you talk about decoding
the Armageddon meme I mean why do you
think this 2012 sort of I mean it why is
Armageddon and the obsession of with
zombies and vampires and the end of the
world why is that being fed into the
mass unconscious mind mmm
yeah I mean the 2012 Norman that was
quite a spectacle and you know the day
after I think there’s a lot of people
sitting around thinking well what didn’t
happen
this is nothing yeah nothing happened
that we that was in that mean you know
and I think where it came from of course
we know the origin of 2012 the main
calendar and I think that has an
authentic base but like many things that
are out into public sphere it gets
hijacked and we do have this kind of in
end times mentality or perhaps we have
an end times weakness you know going
back to biblical talk of of
the apocalypse and it deep hours people
and so what it does is that it also lets
in fear and fear is a great weakness it
weekd it weakens our electromagnetic
field that’s been verified it weakens
our immune system which is being
verified but also it allows in when we
have a sense of fear we need security so
obviously when we don’t feel we have it
ourselves we reach out to an outside
Authority so it also puts us
collectively at a kind of disadvantage
and so the 2012 Armageddon meme was
really to disempower all this other
tropes and memes which were trying to
struggle through about at the twenty
twelve will be able to empower ourselves
etc etc it was a whole wave of
disinformation which would I think
deliberately been put into I said the
public consciousness so of course when
it deflated and nothing was there it
kind of put a sword through the whole
thing and just said well you know it was
all wrong there’s not going to be this
this vibration to the fifth dimension
you’re not going to be saved by people
coming to get you off the planet or
you’re not going to evolve to a new
human and so in a way a lot of people
felt kind of deflated and quite
depressed and when we were in that mode
we want to go back in secure to the
status quo you know the story I give in
the book about you know the weekend for
Nanami you know about how we are allowed
to go out at weekends and alcohol is
legal and we have a great time and
perhaps too good a time you know we get
completely you know we have we go wild
often often off our heads and and then
when it comes to Monday morning we’re
happy to go back to the status quo
system because we’ve had a blowout you
know and that was the same technique
which was used for example on slave
plantations I gave the example from one
of the texts from one of the free slave
right
and he said that a lot of the slaves
were given money that could only be used
on the plantation shops that when they
had time off such as Christmas the money
was spent to buy booze whiskey liquor
and the slaves were allowed to have a
blowout and get absolutely out of it for
several days so drunk at the end of it
they they were wanting to get back into
work to get get their heads together and
that was just one example I think was
Frederick to think of the right to do
but that can be verified and I think
that is a weakened nanami that certain
that certain substances are not allowing
society because they actually stimulate
your own stimulate our experiences and
then we start to we have a different
reality perspective and that isn’t good
for go back into the system but other
things like alcohol which are in some
ways more danger to the human biology
and all the deaths we’ve had about all
over the years they’re allowed because
they give us a blowout phenomena and
afterwards we want to go back into the
system Monday morning and so there are
these things that play as well it’s very
very intriguing I mean um and we’re
covering a lot here very quickly I just
I want to get into kind of winning the
war and you know you talked about there
is nothing to fear and that I mean do
you think that we will eventually win
this this war I do i do Xavier and I
don’t we’ll have a doubt about that and
that for me is something which I
instinctively feel in fact and that’s
why I often prefer to speak about this
winning the war and out of all the books
I’ve written the struggle for your mind
is the really the only one that goes
into the dark side of of our
manipulations and and the technologies
that controllers all my other word
actually examines they do I think the
rise of human consciousness over there
over the the deck
and the evolution of consciousness into
the future so I do think we’re winning
it because if you look again 20th
century looks like it’s been the this
the century of the greatest warfare but
if we look at it in terms of the inner
landscape it’s been essentially with
great exploration innovation and
experimentation of the human in a
landscape and not you know we’ve had the
rise of let’s say transcendental
technologies the rise of experimentation
with within a landscape in whatever form
that may take we also have the tools to
talk about it because before let’s say
psychoanalysis and Freud and Jung and
we’ll have like we didn’t have much
language to talk about in the world who
didn’t have a subconscious we didn’t
have an ADD or ego so now we’ve had this
language we’ve had a sensuous of
spiritualism of we now have scientists
or my out-of-body experiences and
verifying this we have esoteric subjects
which would have belonged to the mystery
schools before now publicly available
literature is available people are
talking about it well we have this
conversation now we can talk about
consciousness in a way that wasn’t
available a few you know a few decades
ago and there are subjects we can talk
about now which we couldn’t not even
talk about ten years ago so I think the
inner landscape of of the human being
has really expanded tremendously and I
think this is a sign that there’s a
different shift in human evolution which
we call conscious evolution and so what
I think is important now is that we are
conscious that we can participate in our
evolution as a species in our societies
and have take more control of that
instead of being at the whim of
evolutionary forces so now I think we’re
coming to a different plane food and
this is what is going to be tricky is
that the playing field now is known more
or less by both sides
those who
let’s say in control or authority of
social systems and hand ourselves to
people you know and and technologies
coming into that as well and which is
going to be a major factor but now the
some information out there so much
experimentation sharing or processes
coming together as groups and helping
each other working with our peers
experimenting and journeying together
that I feel that there is a greater
let’s say weight coming over now to
individual self exploration which wasn’t
there before and we can win this
I mean all of your books seem to kind of
revolve around this I mean in breaking
the spell you talk about overcoming this
social conditioning and this
disconnection from the universe and what
I mean what are the some of the worries
that you would say would be useful in
helping someone free themselves to
connect to life more well the first
thing really is to you cannot really
start until you start to be asking the
right questions and asking the questions
it really gets the ball rolling I just
say we don’t know in a prison until we
see the bones so the first thing to say
that we realize that we are in a reality
set that is socially engineered and that
may not be a bad thing just as the ego
is not a bad thing in its place you know
we have to survive in this physical
world I don’t I don’t support going into
a cave and being a hermit we’re lifting
this world and so we need a certain
amount of this conditioning around us
but it’s being aware of what the
conditioning is and when its operating
now when you just take a step back from
that and in fact I think both in the end
of struggle for your mind and in another
word breaking the spell you mentioned I
talked about some techniques such as
stepping away whereby we can learn to
recognize what is distracting around us
and to pull our mind back from that
distraction now what an analogy I give
is is a drowning person
if if a person is drowning in the ocean
the first reaction we have is to go out
there swim up there and try to save them
and this drowning person is like society
that they’re trying to be distracting
and if we go out there and we’re not
prepared a drowning person will grab
onto you and because they’re struggling
they’ll pull you down with her naturally
because they’re struggling you know and
I think the social systems are
struggling and you can see that because
they’re trying to make so much noise to
distract us because they know that you
know we see in them for what they are
the emperor has no clothes so they’re
making more noise but if we go to where
the noise is if we go to where the
drowning person is they’re likely to put
us down Coast Guard’s say that you know
unless you’re trained be careful of
going out there so I would say careful
of giving these these events these
systems your attention because they are
addictive and they will pull you in we
need amount of stepping back pulling
back our minds pulling back our
attention away from them and be mindful
of what information we receive
information programs us do we want
information that’s always negative that
brings us down that pulls us in what
information channels are we using
let’s use our instinct let’s use our as
Larry said our detector and
look for those channels of information
that we feel resonated with us now we
have to be more discerning I think for
so long that we were consumers consumers
of information because information was
one way the television through stuff it
is before that the radio through stuff
attaches now we can be proactive
information is not one way it’s it’s
multiple we can go out there we can
produce our own information we’re
prosumers not current consumers anymore
we produce tender information and I
think that we should take a much more
active role about what we want to engage
with what we want to receive allow
interest and and learn to step away and
distance ourselves from the rest and and
I think we have to be
more aware of this and aware where our
parrot is lying because what we take in
will will be part of our programming and
we have an active role and and
responsibility to take care of that Wow
Wow
I mean I I just feel your your words cut
as much as you know these on your book
in your book as much as in this
interview and I love everything that
you’re saying do you feel as if I mean
like you said when you see a person
drowning and they tend to kind of be in
this fear state and they bring you down
with them I mean do you feel like
leaving a sort of solitary lifestyle is
a cure for that well I think
everything-everything should be taking a
moderation
anything in extreme is not good for you
if you have a headache you take a
penicillin okay yep and that’s brilliant
but if you take a hundred penicillins
you’re not going to wake up so
everything is going to be moderation if
you feel you need a moment top of
solitary peace take it I think I think
being alone and and having some
solitariness is healthy you know we
should not be afraid to be alone we
should not be afraid of silence because
the world is full of chatter but I said
I don’t think that we should be solitary
all our lives like a hermit we should
learn to take responsibility to make the
choice of when do we need something like
being alone and how much of it you know
as I say be next extreme of anything
whether it’s good or bad is is not going
to be useful and you know we should work
out what what we need so what worked for
someone else won’t work for us and also
we should we should understand who we
need to speak to sometimes we may want
to help someone but that moment we can’t
help them because you know there may be
you know in a state where they’re just
not listening to us or they don’t
resonate and if we stay with them we may
feel their own energy
drained so we have to be aware that some
people would I mention in the book there
they can’t become like psychic vampires
after not in a deliberate way they may
not mean it but they may be sucking our
energies because they’re not in a in a
in a proactive state yet or a state of
realization so you know we can help
people to a degree and then said okay
that’s enough I need to step back now
and maintain my own state and you know
they’ll have to make some efforts to to
come around to the information
themselves so you know we have to be
aware of our own state and take care of
ourselves at the same time yeah I mean
if you look at the world and you look at
the political landscape I’m not sure if
you’re following what’s happening here
in the states it’s kind of absurd I
think you can miss it I mean I if you
just look at what’s going on around us
it it really does seem like we’re on the
precipice of something else something
new I’m not sure if it’s the end of an
era or the beginning of a new one it
seems more like the beginning of a new
one but I mean what I mean what do you
think about that I mean how do you think
where do you think we are in this phase
of human history I think we are
beginning of our new phase and in in
these in these phase transitions to use
a term from complex Sciences and there’s
always a distance of information because
these two systems all been the new are
clashing again to give a visual example
if you throw a stone into a pond you get
ripples that go out if you throw two
stones in the two circular ripples from
the stones when they meet each other
they have the interference they clash
those ripples break up I think this is
what’s happening now as a new system is
coming in both the human consciousness
and into the social domain it’s clashing
with the old and so having this
disruption but in fact and if in fact if
you look at this these dynamics the
dynamics of chaos or disruption produces
energy which is in fact necessary for
bringing in the new system
this is this is this this type of
chaotic systems actually plays out in
social systems in cellular biological
systems as well and it’s based a basis
of life and this energy is required
Xavier I feel that our you know
descendants are going to look back at
this time and look at the work we’ve
been going through the time we’re going
through and they will perhaps look at
this as being as important as the time
that humanity moved from the Flat Earth
to the round earth perspective you know
because so much is happening now and
it’s one of the few times that we’re
going through I think a global
civilizational disruption not just an a
nice idea war on Empire ik warm belong
to empires I feel that the Age of
Empires is over now despite what may
look like in world affairs most systems
are now global financial systems rely on
global trade you know we have so many
social systems trade systems
communication systems that if you know
if one goes down it all affects the
other and so there’s is rippling now
what we may seen in the political
systems is that little systems of this
so-called democracy I’m not I’m not
functioning anymore I mean they they had
their role they’re not functioning and
so what we see and on the television is
like the magician in stripe of hand you
create a distraction in one area so you
don’t see what’s happening somewhere
else
so all this particular fanfare and all
the you know the Trump’s and the
Clintons of the world you know they’re
creating a lot of noise and I think
they’re trying to hide a broken system
and and I think what you know what we
need to do is really instead of just
being watching the debates or the or the
arguments however you wish to call them
we should be looking at the the people
who are talking about you know what are
better systems out there and I see some
of the conversations from the younger
generation being very constructive about
what are perhaps better political
systems but we may have to wait a new
generation for them to
mean but I wouldn’t take too much notice
of the fanfare you know as I say you
know don’t look at what a person says
you know observe their actions and that
tells us a lot more when I’d like to
talk a little bit about your book dawn
of the akashic age what motivated you to
write that yet that book I wrote in
collaboration with my colleague Ervin
Laszlo and in fact what came about was
her had written previously a book about
2012 about how there will be changed
coming around 2012 not only on the meme
or the Mayan calendar was just it was
just a point to say system will be
changing because you know the new ways
of thinking are coming in so he
approached me and said would you like to
write a book about how systems be how
will the world be in 2020 and we said
yes let’s do it but let’s not usually in
a year date you know we’ve had enough of
2012 let’s forget 2020 rather than going
on a time-based thing let’s look at a
theme based what changes can we have see
happening in the world around you know
around this this epoch and Akasha is a
temper that had used before and Akash
refers to the fifth field the Hindu
riches of old of the Vedic time in the
Vedas talked about air earth water fire
as a four elements and the fifth element
was a kasha
they said Akasha is what we would call
the the quantum collective field the
underlying field and so we want to look
at how this understanding through
science that we are part of a quantum
entangled universe that the world is
entangled in so many ways in like a
field metaphor that what happens is
going to occur to all around the world
with that understanding as our base how
can we see educational systems political
systems financial systems needing change
in a let’s say planetary civilization
going
through the birthing pangs and I do feel
that’s what was happening I think I
sensed that we are as a as a global
species moving towards what may become
for want of a better term a planetary
civilization but how we get there is
going to be a different matter because I
don’t I’m not referencing the Borg from
Star Trek III would have bought this
kind of collective unitary mind Society
but I think that we’re going through
towards a planet to society based on
diversity but based on a on a shared
understanding of consciousness but how
we get there is going to be the the
decades ahead for us in our generations
to come to figure out and that’s going
to be the great evolutionary challenge
for our species yeah Mia bang on I love
it I love everything you have to say I
mean it really seems like you’re kind of
one of those hidden authors that that
people have to kind of look for and find
and I mean now that I’ve kind of found
your material I’m just like soaking it
up and love it I want to talk about your
book meeting Monroe because it seems
like this book for you is the most
powerful that’s what I got from that do
you want me to kind of give a little
passage that you write about or do you
want to just get into it
well she’ll give me a passage because in
fact it’s very hard for me to make
remember the book it’s like I was there
but I wasn’t and here’s a here’s a small
passage it is difficult to clearly
express what happened to me over the
period of several weeks it was both an
intense and surreal experience even
thinking about it now has me hat has me
at a loss to give any credible
explanation it is probably best that I
don’t try to define or categorize what
in effect was a series of startling and
profound encounters I have a feeling
deep within that my meeting with the
person in quotes I came to know as
Monroe was not an accident
I mean wow does it sound so mysterious I
really want to know more yes well it’s
you know it’s the book which for me is
that the highest to talk about because
in fact it’s a book which I feel I
didn’t write you know all these other
books we’ve been talking about are ideas
that I’m I’m trying to articulate with
Munro is the most personal book because
it happened to me and my conversations
with this person that I was known to me
as Munro and the ideas expressed were
very powerful and the ideas are about
more or less on the theme of ourselves
of the species in our in our
evolutionary journey and our
responsibility upon that and I go back
to that book many times because so many
passages I don’t remember because I
let’s say I I put them out i
disseminated them I I took them down I
wrote them up and I put them out but I
feel like I they just passed through me
but so many times in my writings and my
talks I realized that in fact this is
still a lot of the talk is Monroe is
coming through me it’s embedded in me
I’m a I’m promised I provide for
sounding vague but I think there are
times in our lives when we have powerful
encounters and they don’t come out
immediately and if if we if we absorb
them I think things come out at the
right time we have to process them but
they come up they become a part of us my
own journey is I’m trying to understand
how can we evolve consciously as a
species collectively and individually
and what that entails and how can we
articulate that and where does human
consciousness play out in that and the
more I think we we tackle these issues
and articulate them discuss them share
them they impact our perceptive sets
they impact how we perceive our
environment our perspectives on the
world and the world starts to shift
accordingly you know I didn’t so much
change can kind of
from the inside out which means that we
trigger it if we take responsibility to
think in a different way to speak in a
different way to engage in life in
different way then the the manner the
our tools are perceiving the world
around us start to shift and adjust
according to our perspective and I think
that’s part of maybe a quantum entangled
universe or a matrix universe however
wish to call it
we are in a participative relationship
with the world around us
so our perceptive sets our behavior and
thinking that all is a part nothing is
isolated so if you shift one if you
start to change your mental apparatus
then that has a knock-on effect with how
we interact with the world around as we
have to start somewhere it’s beautiful I
love it
you know Kingsley we’re approaching the
end here man if is there you know is
there one single thing through your
writing through your experiences through
your research that maybe someone who is
listening to this show right now that
you could kind of deliver a message to
them is there something that you would
kind of like to say what I would say
that if it was possible for me to have
this journey it’s possible for anyone
you know I came from a normal family in
a small town in England and I just had a
sense that I need to investigate some
things and everybody has the latent
capacity anybody everybody can change
anybody can start to evolve their
thinking patterns it’s not that any
elitism
is not it’s not you know locked away
we’re talking about the real democracy
real democracy is not in politics real
democracy is in the evolution and
spiritual realization of the self and
that’s open to everybody everybody has
the tools and I would say don’t believe
what I say because belief is not a part
of this we’re talking about his
understanding go away do your homework
think about things for yourself
figure them out for yourself because
everything works differently for each
person but if I can reach these thoughts
and anybody can and and best of look a
lot of man where can where can people
find your work perhaps the easiest way
is just to google my name Kingsley
Dennis I think I was blessed with a
unusual name which comes pretty high up
on the search engine Google Kingsley
Dennis I have a website
WWE Laden is calm I have a lot of
information on there I have a link to
essays look in the menu bar I have maybe
over 40 essays all downloadable for free
read them do your browsing there are you
know PDFs to download seek out my books
if you wish and an enjoying all the
material that I am I’m happy to make
available
Kingsley thank you so much for being
here man I really appreciate it the book
is called struggle the struggle for your
mind this is the human experience and we
are gonna get out of here
Thank You Xavier my pleasure