Jeffery Bronfman Transcript – Ayahuasca Episode


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You are designed and humane handling brain hemispheres at entertaining and mentally invented telling me right now is an excellent relief is to take you to the interest behavior Here with the Human Experience Guys While What Been Absolutely Found Magical Game Changing Episode. We Have You Mystery Jeffrey Bronfman Jeffrey Was the President of the United States from the Early 1990s to 2005.

He Was Also Instrumental in Spearheading Legislation in the Supreme Court Case Careening Us the Freedom to Drink Lost Got Otherwise Known As Ayahuasca. and Was Clearly Think Jeffrey for Not Only Healing but Trust Me with This Episode Giving Atrix Be the Exclusive Not Here This Anywhere Else He Was Asked by Time ABC NBC Larry King and Other Major Network and Trusted Us the Human Experience.

with This Recording Was Also Big Very Good Friend of Mine Who Was Instrumental in Setting This Episode up Uncertainty Listening If You’re Interested in the Divine with Connecting with Divine Intelligence Realigning Purpose Your Own Spiritual Evolution and If You’re Interested in Learning about Medicines from Healing Us to Connecting Us Back to the Source before the Modern Advent of Pharmacology in Chemical Substances with the Plant Meals.
Access Is True Medicine Is One of the Greatest Just As Human Beings Experiencing Life on This Planet Have to Be on Thankful and Grateful to Have Had the Opportunity Speak with Jeffrey One-On-One to Really Dig into the Story of What Happened during the DEA’s Weight on Jeffrey’s Property. in This Episode Layout That Story in Detail This Episode Was Is There Is a Very Important Why Is Lucid Understanding That Comes with Jeffrey’s Words Which I’m Certainly Pick up on.
If You Enjoy This Episode Help Us Cover Server Costs Bandwidth Costs Which Increase Every Day You Can Do This by Getting to the Human XP.com/Donate We Put a Massive Amount of Sentiment to Curating These Episodes for You Guys to See the Appreciate Any Support You Can Offer Is Also Get to the Patient Give Us a Light Their Followers on Twitter to Stay up Updated on Everything Were Doing. That by Finding Us at the Human XP Guys As Always Thank You so Much for Listening This Episode Makes My Job Percent Worth It Thank You Guys Human Experiences in Session My Guest Today Is Mr. Jeffrey Bronfman.
Jeffrey My Good Sir It’s an Honor Thank You so Much for Being Here Thank You for the Privilege of Communicating with You and through This Conversation We to Assume Jeffrey We We Are Talking about the You TV Today I.E.. before before We Get to That I Would like to Beauty and the Supreme Court Legislation I Would like to like to Know Little Bit More about Who You Are for Anyone Listening That Might Not Know Who You Are.
Changes Tells Briefly about Yourself and Your Background Please Sure I Was Born in Jewish Family of My Father My Mother Site in Canada and I Was Influenced in My Youth from the Sense of Being Part of the People with a Long History Going Back Thousands of Years in the the Sense of Culture and Identity That Comes from That. and As I Grew up Way to Recognize That There Was

Your Sense of the Universal Understanding about Myself and My Unpacked in My What It Needs to Be Human and I Began a Search That Led Me to Many Different Cultural Traditions. Brilliant Narrative Began with with Teachings from from India’s I Think It Began for Many People and Then I Started to Appreciate the Wisdom Traditions from the This Hemisphere and in Terms of the the Native Populations in Central and South America.

Studying the Different Indigenous and Shamanic Traditions and Appreciating the the Awareness That They Had about the Nature of the Human Experience and the Nature of Our Consciousness and and the Responsibilities of Being Human World and How to Care for the Community the Land Our Families and I Became Aware That within the Wisdom Traditions of of the Americas. There Were on Traditions Were Based on the Use of Sacred Plants and Plants That Could Assist Us in Community More Fully with the Natural World and Gain a Greater Insight and Understanding of Ourselves and so That Began a Process for Me of Learning More about That Dimension of the Human Experience and That’s What Ultimately Brought Me over a Period of Years to Where I Encountered the the Tradition That I Follow Today.

Which We Speak of Is the DDD the Window the Call Working with the Sacred Plants of the Amazon Intriguing so to Do for You You First Became Interested in and You TV in 1990 When You Went into the Amazon to Create Air Conservation Preserve. the Correct and the Let’s Any Notes Let’s Fast-Forward a Bit and Then You Embrace through the Religion 1980 to 1999 a Shipment of the Tea Was Seized. This Was the the Foundation for the Legal Battle That Subsequently Followed What Happened in 1999 and What Was What Was the the Trigger Event That That Led to the TV Seized and and Was Your Reaction to Fulfill.

You Say Is Set I Think Happen within a Mystery and Wonder Dimensions of That I’m Not Sure That Will Ever Really Know Fully How Would Widen in the Mystery of How It Happened I.E. I Establish the UVB in the United States after My First Trips to Brazilian.

in the Early 1990s I Established It in 1993 and We Had Been Organized and Realizing Ceremonies over a Period of Years Amendment of Knowing That Eventually There Would Likely Be Some Questioning on the Part of the Government of the United States with Respect to to What We Were Doing Because It Was Somewhat Unusual and and Because We Were Aware of the Fact That What Did the Tea That We Were Utilizing Is a Central Sacrament of Our Religious Practice of Our Spiritual Work Is Chemically Analyze.

Could Be Found to Contain What Would Be Considered a Controlled Substance There Are Alkaloids Are Products of of Natural Origin within the Tea When Synthesized Can Be Utilized in Ways That the Drug Enforcement Administration in the United States and the Laws of the United States Could Understandably Has Some Questions about and so While We Felt That What We Were Doing Was Protected Constitutionally and Was Protected under the Principles of Basic Human Rights of Freedom of Religion. We Recognize That It Was an Unusual Practice and Was Not Common in in the Modern World for People to Actively Be

Coming Together in a Ritual Setting in and Drinking the Sacrament That Has a a Psychoactive Effect a Way of Enhancing Our Consciousness and Awareness. so I Do Really from the Very Beginning That There Would Come a Point Where There Would Be Some Question Possibly the Could Be Raised about This Practice and Then Waited That Question Came Was in the Nuns Unexpectedly Strong Form. Where I Was Is You Indicated Prepare to Receive the Shipment of Our Sacrament That Was Being Shipped to Us from Brazil and When I Came to the Door There Were Armed Federal Agents from the FBI in and the Customs Service with Their Having Accompanied the Shipment Determined That It Contained Something That They Were Concerned about.

and Allowed Me to Receive the Delivery and Then Came in and Began a Process That Led to Our Going to Court to That Is Is What’s Known As a Controlled Drop. Correct That Correct It’s It’s Where There Is a Shipment That They Determined Has Some Element to It That That They’re Concerned about. Legally They Arrange for the Shipment to Be Delivered Someone Signs and Takes Responsibility for and Then the Federal Authorities That Administer That Area of the Law Can Come in and and Take Legal Action Because Someone’s Taken Responsibility for the Shipment. and I Mean There Were Although There Were No Arrests Me to the You TV Had to Stop Using the Tea.

Right Well I I Will Make a Conscious Decision to Stop for a Number of Different Reasons of Wasn’t That We Were Order to by Indicating That They Believe That What We Were Doing Was Not a Legal Activity. We If We Continued with the Thread of Some Kind of Legal Action or Prosecution.

so Although They Didn’t Prosecute Anybody Initially There Was the Thread That across of That a Prosecution Could Happen Subsequently and so We Made the Decision to Suspend Our Works in Order to Be Able to Enter into a Process of Engaging with the Authorities of the United States to Be Able to Show Them the Beneficent Nature of Our Practice. to Show That We Were People Who Respected the Lawn Respected the the Order with Our Society Is Incredibly Stressful Integrated in Egypt It’s These Federal Agents Common Your You’re Doing This Your You’re Practicing This Very Peaceful Events in Their Enhancing Your Consciousness and Was Proven That There Is No Harm to Health with with This. with This Tea and and yet the Federal Agents Are Coming down at Knocking down Your Door and Reading This Area so That They Can Seize the Tea from You.

Unquestionably It It Stirred up A Lot Of Different Feelings and Me at the Time and It’s Very Different Looking Back on It Now Some Know Some Years Later after All the Process That We Went through of Clarifying Our Position in Clarifying a Right to the Courts but at That Moment It Was It Was Stressful and and There Was A Lot Of Concern I Have for Myself or My Family for My Future for My Well-Being.

Because in in Their Eyes the Question Was Was I Had a Criminal Important of a Dangerous Drug and That Was the Way That I Can See Some of Them Were Viewing Me and the Notion of There Being a Legitimate Religious and Spiritual Use for These Plants Was Not Something That Was Part of the Understanding

That Time within the Legal System or within the Political System and so That Was Work That We Had to Do Was to Educate. There Were Conditions There Are Certain Substances That Have over the Period of of Recent History I Think Was Beginning in 1961 Came under International Control Because They Had Certain Properties Where There Was a Concern about Them Being Abused. and in 1961 under a Convention a Treaty That Was Signed by Our Countries All of the World on the Cannabis Plant the of the Coca Plant and the the Poppy Straw from Which the of the Strived I’m Became Subject to International Control and That Was the Beginning of the Formation of a Body International Coordinated Body That Related to the Control of Plants and Psychoactive Substances That Previously Had Existed before.

and so There Were Histories of of Use of Different Kinds of Psychoactive Plant Materials We Been Cultural Traditions All of the World Going Back for Thousands of Years in the Modern Era. There Was More of a Sense of Ways That These Substances These Plants Could Be Abused Them Could Be Misused and so the System Developed That Was Treating Them As If They Were Dangerous Narcotics or or Toxic Substances That Needed to Be Restricted Prohibited in Control until Was within That Paradigm That I Was Encountering the Authorities of the Federal Government.

Who Would Been Would in This Paradigm of of Misunderstanding about the Nature of of of These Very Vitally Important Elements of Our Experience of of Nature. They Thought of It Is Is Something That Needed to Be Criminalized in and People Prosecuted He Was Able to Schedule One Substance Which Is by Definition Has No Currently Accepted Medical Use in High Potential for Abuse. Well It’s It’s Interesting That You Mention That Actually Our Position Was That the Key Itself Wasn’t Listed As a Controlled Substance There Was a Compound That Had Been Found within the Tea Called Dimethyl Trip to Mean.

That Was Listed As a Controlled Substance As a Chemical but the Naturally Occurring Element of of This Alkaloid of This Molecule That Is Pervasive in Many Different Plants in Nature. We Felt Was Not Specifically Controlled and That Was One of the Arguments That We May but Interestingly That This Idea of No Known Medical Use in Truth the Team That We Use within a Religious Tradition Has Been Used for Human Purposes and for Medicinal Purposes about Traditional Societies and Shamanic Cultures for Centuries.

so While the Laws Were Claiming That There Was No Known Medical Use in Reality There Had Been Medical Uses Health Uses Benefits and Uses the Got Opera Centuries Was Just Not Properly Understood And and This Is Something That Comes around Later Which Will Get to You and Want to Go through This This Timeline.

Made 1989 the Teas Ceased November 2000 and This Is 18 Months Later DVD Is Unsuccessful in Negotiating a Settlement Allowing the Continuation of the Religious Practices with the Alaska Where We from the Time That They Seized the Team There Were Some Lawyers Who Came Forward to Assist in the Send Us and We through Them Tried to Have a Number of Different Interfaces with the Federal Government. Explaining to Them That It Would Serve Everyone’s Best

Interest If We Can Reach an Agreement around How Our Practice Could Be Registered in and Allowed Rather Than Having to Go through a Process Where We Were Living in Fear of Our Freedom and and the Whole Situation Was Not Clear in Relationship to the Legal Status of the of Our Practice Breaks.

so Then What Do You TV Filed a Lawsuit in Federal Court against the Drug the DEA the U.S. Customs Service the United States Department of Justice for Violations of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. What Element of the First Amendment to DVD Used to Defend Itself the Most Important Element Was That the First Amendment Constitution Allows for the Free Exercise of Religion.

It’s Considered the Most Basic of All Human Rights and in Reality the Origin of the the American Society Was Born of People Who Were Fleeing a Different Degree of Religious Persecution That Was Going on in an England and Created a Society Cubit Was Open to Different Forms of of Our Freedom of Religion and of This Many Countries in the World Today Still Where the Freedom of Religion Is the Freedom to Follow the Religion That Is the State-Sponsored Religion. As a Was in the the Church Of England and the 1700s and 1600s When People Start to Emigrate to the Western World so Formation of the American Society It Was Based upon This Principle of Free Exercise of Religion That the Government Should Not Be Involved in the Business of Religion That Shouldn’t Be on Legislating and Prohibiting Religion nor Should It Be Sponsoring and Determining What Kind of Religions People Could Follow.

It Was Meant to Be an Area That Was Reserved in the Bill Of Rights for People to Have This Most Fundamental Freedom of of Expression of of Coming to Know Their Their Own Spiritual Origin and and Connect to the Sacred Connect to the Divine Semester the First Freedom That’s Enunciated in the Bill Of Rights Is Is This Free Exercise of Religion and Prohibiting the Government from the Restricting the Government from Prohibiting This Free Expression in Any Way. so That Was the Basic Principle Is Incredibly Fascinating so Was Most the History behind. There Were Native American Organizations That Were Using Peyote As a Sacrament so I Mean This Was This Was Key in the Supreme Court Case.
What What Was the History That You Found That Unit Kind of Researching and Finding Other Religions Other Organizations Using the Sacraments within Their Practice That Ended up Being a Key Element in Winning This Case. There Was This Important Precedents in Terms of the Existence of an Organization Called the Native American Church and When the These International Treaties That I Was Speaking of before Were Implemented in Terms of the Laws of the United States. There Was a an Accommodation That Was Made to the Existence of This Organization Called the Native American Church That Had Been Founded in the Late 1800s.
Where They Were You Allowed to Utilize Peyote within Their Religious Rituals and the Native American Church Is a Diverse Organization That Has Many Thousands of Practitioners Not All of Them Indian Actually. There Many Native American Church Members Who Are Come to the Native American Church and

Found Meaning in That Spiritual Practice Who Also Use Peyote in in the Rituals Were Not Indian Racially but Have Accepted That Is Their Spiritual Practice and Way of Life so in the Controlled Substance Laws That the Government Was Claiming Apply to Our Religious Practice.

We Were Aware of the Fact That There Was an Exemption for the Religious Use of Peyote within the Native American Church and This Went Back to Another Constitutional Principle Which Is Equal Justice under the Law That Where the Government Has Made an Accommodation for One Kind of Activity It Can’t Restricted Somewhere Else without a Compelling Reason to Do so. It Has To Treat People Equally under the Law and so Because There Was a Tradition That Specifically under the Laws Had Been Allowed the Right to Use Plants within a Spiritual Context for Their Religious Work.

Our Claim Was That They Couldn’t in Life That Freedom That It Would Be Unconstitutional and Just Your Word to Her Processes Appeals and Then You Eat Eventually Led to Being a Supreme Court Case That Was a Precedent It Allowed Us to Express to the Freedom of of Religion and Drink to Teach Day in the United States. Was That Was the Timeline How How Long Did This Take for It to Move into the Supreme Court to That Key Could Be Declared by These These Judges Now That’s It’s a Long Story and and There’s Many Phases along the Way You Know.
We We End up Filing the Lawsuit in November of of 19 of 2000 and Then There Was Different Stages of the Litigation First Stage Was in Front of the a Single District Court Judge Where We Were Asking for a Preliminary Injunction Were Based upon a Case That We Were Prepared to Present,
That We Could Be Allowed Our Spiritual Practice on the Basis of the Different Arguments That We Were Making and and the Government Very Strongly Try to Oppose That and the the Judge Ended up Making a Decision in Our Favor That Ended up Getting Appealed by the Government to the 10th Circuit Court Of Appeals and the 10th Circuit Court Of Appeals Is the United States Judicial System Has Is Is the Appeals Come from the States to Different Regions of or Whether Called Circuits in the Legal Terminology. and so the That the District Court of New Mexico Is in the Same Circuit Is the District Court in and in’s Appeals Court for Colorado and Montana and Other States and Cut of the Central West United States and so the Case Was Appealed to That Court.
It Was First Heard by a Three-Judge Panel That Three-Judge Panel after a Year of Deliberate Action World and Are Favored the Government Been Appealed to Full Hearing of All the Judges of This 10th Circuit Court They Agreed to Hear the Case There Was Another. A Briefing in Oral Arguments Another. Of Month Statement by and They Ruled in Our Favor Again by Majority of of the to Five I Believe and Then the Government Appealed to the Supreme Court of the United States for the Time That We First Filed the Lawsuit in November 2000 the Time That Our Case Was Heard by the Supreme Court of the United States Was in November 2005.
so That Was Five Years in Active Litigation the Time We First Filed to the Time That the Supreme Court Order Case and Then There Was Another Several

Months after That before They Wrote Their Will to Really Such an Incredibly Long Drawn out Process. You like to Talk about Some of the Foundations of of the TV and How This Tease Affecting Consciousness Because for Me Personally after My First Session with the Tea It It Completely Changed My Life I Used to Drink Alcohol I Used to Do Drugs and after a Single Session with the Tea I Have Not Had a Drink since. That Was Approximately 2 Years Ago I Am Completely Reformed Completely Different Human Being Because of This Team How Do You See These Types of Changes within the Organization That You Are Part of Its It’s a Very Personal and and It’s a Encounter That We Make with Our Own True Self Our Own Higher Self Our Own Spirit Our Own Essential Nature and I Think That As Somebody Finds Greater Awareness Naturally There Are Things That Perhaps Were Things That We Were Unconsciously Utilizing to to Help Us Deal with Some the Challenges of Life for the Pain.
There’s Some Sense of Dissatisfaction That That People Are a Subject Feeling As We Become More and More and More Aware of Who We Truly Are in Our Nature of Connection to Something Superior Something Spiritual Something Sacred Something Divine More More These Are Old Way of Life Changes How We Are within Our Body. How We Are within Our Word How We Are within Our Consciousness How We Are within Our Practice Starts to Change As We Gain Awareness of of Who We Really Are.
so That’s How I See It Working Is That the That He Serves As a Way of Amplifying Consciousness so That We Become More Aware of Our Thoughts More Aware of Our Feelings More Aware of Our Tendencies More Aware of Our Habits and More Consciously Able to See the Consequences of Our Choices and Relationship. to How We Choose to Use Our Word How We What We Choose to Take into Our Bodies How We Choose to Relate to Other People We Gain More Awareness in Our Life Starts to Transform As We Become More Conscious. Kazoo Start to See Certain Things That Maybe We Did Habitually or Maybe We Did Out Of a Sense of Emptiness before We We Come to a Point Where We See We No Longer Need That. We No Longer Want That We Have a Different Way of of Moving through Life from a Different Sense of a Set Different Sensibility Different Awareness and so It’s It’s Not Uncommon What You Describe for People Who of Had Challenges with with Substance Abuse to Come and Drink This Tea Which Is Mages from Two Plants Part of the Natural World without Any Fermentation without Any Form of Corruption and Take It into Yourself and Have It Invigorated Aluminate and and and and Awaken and Inspire Your True Self. Your Consciousness’s to Powerful Thing to Back into a Person’s Self and Go through This Process of Drinking the Tea into It Seems to Be a Very Mysterious Thing That It Seems That It Is the Only True Medicine It Is One of the Only True Medicines Were in a World of Pharmacology Where You’re Taking a Pill to Address Symptoms.
Cure Is Something That Is Is Still Life-Changing so Life Altering That after Only One Session Your Reconnecting with Yourself You Reconnecting with Your Own Body Your Own Spirituality Your Own Consciousness and That’s Also True Is Is That It Really Is Very Individual and Great Personal. Not Everybody Who Comes

Has the Same Experience That Everybody Who Comes Has the Same Powerful Sense of Transformation Happen Right Away Know There Was Somebody I Knew For Example Came to Rituals for a Year before They Actually Experienced What They’d Heard Other People Describing but They Could Tell That There Was Something Very Dynamic Going on. They Just Had to Work through Certain Things before They Could Receive What Was Possible for Them but in the Way That I Look at Medicine.

I I Really Believe That There Is a Divine Intelligence That Is Responsible for the Creation and Assess Sustenance of the World We Live in and That Intelligence Created This Will for Purpose Which Relates to Our Spiritual Evolution. Our Spiritual Development and on This Earth That That Power That Intelligence That Divine Architect Put Plants That Could Serve a Variety of Different Purposes from Healing Us from Nurturing Us from Providing Shelter for Us but Also Certain Plants That Have the Capacity to Connect Us Back to the Source and so That the Real Source of Most Medicine before This Modern Advent of of Pharmacology. and and You Know Pharmaceutical on Chemical Substances Was the Plant Realms Where People Would Come to Look for Healing to Look for Health and so This to Be Able to That I Agree with Your Think That the the True Medicine the True Healing Comes from Plants and Their Many Many Different Kinds of Plants.

It Address Many Different Dimensions of Healing with Unique about These Two Plants Which Are United in the Ritual Way Is That They Work on Our Consciousness and They Work on Her Spirit It’s like a Medicine for the Spirit of Medicine for the Part of Us That Has Been Doing Separate from from Life Itself and It Was Stores That Sense of Connection to to Let You.

I Make a Small Joke to My Friends I Say Consider the Bank on Every Street Corner We Should Have You TV Center on Hundred Chronic Effect Feel It’s It’s so Integral to Connect with These Compounds That Do Seem to Serve As This True Medicine. If If We Could Just Explore What What Is Happening in the Ritual Setting within the Unity When When a Person Comes to DVD What Was Happening There.
Other Would Encounter a Very Simply Designed Room Where There Is a Simple Altar and a Simple Photograph of the Founder of Our Religion on Mr. Gabriele and a Place Where the Sacrament Is Held in People Come up and See That One by One We Can Call Together at the Same Time.
We Sitting Comfortable Chairs That Support Us and People Concentrate within Themselves We We Drink This Tea for the Purposes of Mental Concentration Help Us Have Greater Facility for Inner Reflection for Inner Contemplation. to Be Able to Have Greater Awareness of Our Own Self and It Also Animates and Elevates Awareness of Her Own Vital Energy of Our Own Spirit Is the Same before and so the Rituals or Contemplative Their Instructive within the the Rituals.
Their Teachings That Are Given Orientations Given People the Opportunity to to Ask Questions into This Study within the Answers That Are Given to Find Greater around Awareness around the Things That Perhaps Are Challenges for Them in

Life. and so This That’s the Beauty Be Rituals or Four to Help Instruct to Help Orient Help Guide and Help Give People the Experience of a Greater Connection Got and This Is Why As You Were Drinking This to You through the 90s.
This Why Was so Important to You to See That This Legislation Worked in Your Favor That the Court Decided in Your Favor Because of the Mutual Benefit for Humanity for Human Beings to Have Access to Something That Help Them Heal Themselves. Well Absolutely I Mean It Was a Very I Knew That There Was A Lot at Stake in Windows My Personal Freedom That Was at Stake Because If the Decision Had Got a Different Layer Conceivably Could Have Been Found to Violated the Law and and You Know Published within the the Rules of Line.
Our Society for Having Done That Fortunately I Was Guarded throughout the Whole Process and No Harm Came to Me at at Any Moment but It Was the Awareness That I Had. That This Wasn’t Just for Me That I Really Was Struggling for a Possibility for the People in the United States and the Possibility Really for People around the World to Have This Way of Communing with the Divine.
This Way of Reconnecting with Nature This Way of Gaining Greater Spiritual Awareness Validated and Affirmed and Guarded within the Law and so I Knew That This There Was More This Was More Than a Personal Struggle. I Really Wanted This Possibility for Humanity to Be Affirmed and to Be Confirmed Legally While Yeah in More Than 10 Years Legal Struggle to the You DVT Did End up Securing the Right to Use Who Are Skies a Tea As a Religious Sacrament in the United States.
That We Were Able to and It Resulted from A Lot Of Very Conscientious Work Know One Thing That the DVD Teaches Relates to the Importance of Our Word and Virtually in the Process of Arriving at the Decision of Receiving the Word of the Supreme Court. Confirming That We Had the Legal Right That We Were I’m Seeking That to Affirm We Prepared Thousands of Pages of Documents to Present Telling Our Story Giving Testimony Having Medical Experts Having Legal Scholars Having a Treaty Scholars Having Scientists Having Doctors Having Different People Come Forward to Give Their Testimony about the Validation the Validity of Our Religious Practice in Order to Be Able to Have a Chord with Full Awareness.
Confirm It and and the Decision Was Unanimous and That Was Something That I Wasn’t Expecting but It Was Something That It Was Apparently so Clear to the Judges from the Time We We Began to the Time That We Completed the Presentation of Our Case. That We Had a Unanimous Decision from the Supreme Court That Is Where Unanimous about Anything in This in Our Current Era but It Was Something That They Could See That It Was Very Powerful I Remember the Day That the Oral Arguments Were Were Being Presented in and This Was People with A Lot Of Authority Legal Authority Judicial Authority Political Authority A Lot Of Power and Relationship to Government Authority. That We Were Coming before the Government of the United States Ask You Asking Them to Deny Us Rights That We Felt Were Inherit within the Constitution Inherit within the Law. and so They on the One Side Had Very Experienced and

Powerful Power Flees Situated Government Lawyers Asking the Supreme Court to Reverse the Decisions That the Judges in the Courts below Had Already Affirmed and There Was an of 14 Different Judges That Had Already Reviewed the Case and Affirmed and Then There Were Asking These Nine Judges to Change the Decision.

That These Lower Court Judges Have Reached and so It Was a Powerful Moment to Come before This Tribunal and and in the Supreme Court Chambers. There These Images of Different Lawgivers Images of Different People Who Brought the Law and the Light with A Lot to Humanity and so These People Were There Sitting in and Consideration of the Right of People to Unite with the Sacred the Right of People. to Know Our Own Origin the Right of People to Connect and Commune and There Was an of the Authority the Political Authority Was Was Coming at Presenting All the Arguments That They Could to Try to Claim by This Shouldn’t Be Allowed.
Unfortunately the Supreme Court Found Your Righteousness and More Truth Than More Justice in the Arguments That We Were Presenting and That in the Testimony That We Were Giving and in the Affirm That Right While Yeah I Mean Hey so Much Thanks and Just the Work That You Have Spearheaded and Team of People That Have Secured This Right First Drink in the United States and This This Precedent Case I Read This.
This Quote That You You Said This Is Been of a Time of Indescribable Stress and Sadness for Me Effect of All This Is Produce Tremendous Strain on My Family My Personal Health and to Some Degree the Religious Faith. It’s It It’s a War You Know It It Really Seems like a Warping We Want No Question Different Really Want to Know for You and in Your Own Personal Experience and How Long Have You Been Drinking the Tina First Community in July 1990 Are Now October 2016 so I’ve Been at This for over 26 Years.
Yeah It Can Was Something That You Has Been Shown to You or That You Have Realized to Drinking the Tea for As Long As You Have Been Drinking What I Noticed at the Beginning and I Think in Some Ways That’s a Very Important Time. As We Come Out Of One Stage of Life in an into What Will Be That the Next Developing Stages of Our Life Was an Increase of My Own Intuition an Increase of My Own Sensibility and Sensitivity. I I Believe in the DVD Teaches That Each One of Us Have a Cost on Chance and within Our Conscience Is a Connection to up a Higher Intelligence a Higher Sense of Order a Higher Awareness and so I Felt My Intuition Rolling As a Result of My Really Experiences Drinking the Tea and over the 26 Years That the Top That Is Become Something That I I Aspire to Live with His the Awareness of My Awaken Sensitivity to the World around Me and Conversations with People in the Work That I Choose to Do.
in What I Call to Do Every Day from the Moment I Opened My Eyes in the Morning until I Go to Rest at Night and and Then Even in My Dreams Sometimes to Work within This Awareness of Maintaining My Connection to the Sacred to This Higher Consciousness and Bringing Them into into Practice and Action of My Life. so over 26 Years It’s It’s Hard to Distinguish You Know One Thing or

Another Think You so so so Many Things of That Happened to Me but the General Progression Is Been One of Greater Connectivity Greater Happiness More Friends More Ease and More Piece of My Life in More Joy to Do for You. It’s Not Just about the Two Years Also about This Community and These People Who Actually Love and Care for Your.

Remember Ever My First Session with the TNI Showed up at This Church and I Have Never Been Greeted with so Much Kindness and Love and Affection from Complete Strangers. I Immediately Felt More at Ease Than I Ever Had in My Life. It Was so Life Altering for Me to Experience That to Connect with These People Who at the Time Didn’t Know Me and yet Had Their Arms Wide Open and Just so Much Love so Much Outpouring of Support and Family Soul.

Family Them so Happy That It Was That Way for You and I Really Hope It’s That Way for Anybody Who Would Find a Way to to Come to Know This and I Think It’s Part of in This Process of Awakening and Coming to Greater Understanding of What It Means to Be Human Than Greater Understanding of the Laws That Govern the Human Experience. I Believe That the Awareness Comes That the Fundamental Principle of Life Is the Portrait of Love.

Could A Lot Of Order to Serve Were Here to Care for One Another and the More Spiritually Awakened a Person Becomes More That Becomes the the Fundamental Mandate of Their Life in Those Talking about This. the Other Day We Were Talking about the Evolution from I’m Judaism into Christianity Which Which Jesus Came As a As a Guide to to Take People into the Next Level of the Human Awareness in in in That Era and at That Time There Were Hundreds of Laws and Regulations That Were Practice within the and of the the Religion the Face of That Time and Jesus Came in a Sense to to Clarifying to Simplified.

and He Said That the the Essence of the Law Is Is One You Know Would Guess It Became Known As the Golden Rule to Love God above All Things and to Love the Other.
If You Love Yourself and That’s Simple Practices Something That the More Awakened We Become More Imperative to Love I Think Starts to Guide Us and so You Can Counter That with People Who Are Genuinely and Sincerely Interested in You and Caring about You and Wanted to Welcome You.

Because They Want to Extend to You the Care of the Love That They Been Treated with and There Walking Their Practice As Well to Found What You’re Prohibiting Saying and It Is There. Something That Tina There I I Notice Wish with the Show and We We Do Cover Loss Kind We Do Cover This Type of Topic so I I Get Many Messages Where People Are Seeking the Teether Looking for the Tea in There. Is Almost Been a Sort of Migration That Is Happened Towards an Actual Medicine outside of the Western Med Medical System That Were People Can Do They Feel That This This Tea Can Change Their Lives and I Think Every Story That I’ve Heard about Someone Traveling to Peru and Spending Your Four $5000 Should to Go There and Drink with a Shaman.

There There There Seems to It It’s Almost Becoming Server Trend for People of My Generation That That Are Seeking Something More Than Than Just the Ordinary and and This the Same Answers That We’ve Always Gotten in Which

We’re Just Searching for More Were Searching for the Truth and so My Question to Anyone Listening to This. This Show and Was Seen Just How Can Me Become More in Tune with Our Own Consciousness in Our Own Desires and Our Own Needs and and We Need to Do for Ourselves and and for Humanity. 50s Quested That I Feel That the There’s a Universal Truth That Has Reflected in in so Many of the Religions of the World and so Many Spiritual Practices of the World and I Think People Who Find That Truth Find Resonance with People from Different Face Are from Very Different Cultures.

Because We Live According to the Same Basic Principles When We Come to Understand the Purpose of Life When We Come to Understand the Essence of Life in the Meaning of Life and so I Think That This Quest That It’s Been Evolving Where People Have Been Called to Now That the Awareness That This Possibility Exists Has Been Brought to Greater Awareness. Seminar Was It up Conference in Spain in 2014 That Was Centered around the Use of This Key Was Called the Globalization of Ayahuasca Conference the First International Conference on This Topic and There Were People from over 70 Countries. There Hundreds of People Who Interested in Learning More about This Tea and I’m in the and the Couple Weeks Going down to the Real Bronco Brazil Where This Can Be the Second Conference and People Get from All over the World in Different Cultures Coming in.

Because Were This Conference Is Occurring It’s Actually Taking Place in the Amazon Region. There People from Tribal Cultures and Shimane Killers and People from Different Ways of Working with This Sacred T Gordon Becoming an of Presenting at the Conference and and I Think That the Repercussions of That Are Can Be Very Powerful and Many More People to Learn about This and As Often Happens with Our Tendencies Which Sometimes There Are Needed to Improve in the Dirt Dirt. Not Everybody Who Works with the Tea Doesn’t the Same Degree of Integrity Does with the Same Degree of Care Doesn’t the Same Degree of Consciousness and so It’s Not Just the Key Itself That Brings about the Transformation and This Is a Point of the Really but I I Hope People Can Understand and and That I Always Try to Strive to Clarify.

the Key Itself Is a Tool but It’s a Tool or Key Shall We Say That Can Open Many Different Doors and It’s It’s It’s Which Doors Get Opened and How a Person Is Directed and Conducted within the Ritual That Really Brings about the Change of Life so That We Teach about in the UDP Is It’s the Tea It’s the Teachings the Calm from the Mastery and from the Mysteries That He Taught with Taught Other Mysteries Who Today Carry These Teachings Forward.

the Doctrine Which Is about the Changes That We Need to Make in Our Life to Have Greater Equilibrium to Have Greater Health Greater Harmony in Our Lives and Then There’s What You Spoke of before the Friendship the Community of Love Will Be with These Principles Will Make These Practice of All of Those Elements Are Vital. so It’s Not Just Drinking the Tea Itself in There Been Unfortunate Incidences Where People Spend A Lot Of Money and They Travel down to the Amazon and It Had an Experience That Was Not Possible for Them and and I’ve I Know People Overturned Very Disoriented from That so the Key in

and of Itself Is Not a Cure-All Is Something That Has the Potential to Bring Great Goodness and Great Benefit but It Depends Where You Receive It.
in One Context You Receive It and How You Instructed to Work with It the Brings about the Real Change. While It’s Such a Powerful Powerful Tool to Powerful Thing to Powerful Organization Different Think I Could Sit Here All Day in an Kind of Inquire More and More about What’s Going on with You and in the Tea and in Consciousness.

I Feel Very Honored to Pick Don’t Think That You Give Many of These Interview Some Very Very Honored to Have You Here and to Discuss the Case and and What the Beauties Doing As a Community and and for Humanity and and for Consciousness and I Feel That It’s It’s Very Early in These Stages and As an Organization It Is Still Quite Quite Young. so We Have with a Long Road Ahead and I I Believe That This Organization Can Help Many Many People.

Jeffrey It’s It’s Truly an Honor Serving Is His or Anything That You Would like to Give to Anyone Listening Advice and Anything That You like to Have a Moment to Say to Anyone Who Might Listen to Thank You for the Opportunity to to Offer Something in This Way It and I Just Really Want to Say That for People to Recognize That the Privilege of Being Alive Is a Sacred Gift That Has Come to Each One of Us from the Divine Intelligence. and That Our Life Is Filled with Meaning and the We Each Other Purpose That We Have, to This Earth in Order to Realize Ultimately That Purpose Being to Awaken Spiritually and Come to Understand Our Relationship to This Infinite Divine Power Which Is Filled with Light.

Which Is Light Which Is Peaks Which Is Lots and This Is Our Destiny This Is Our Inheritance and so of People Are Finding That Their Experiences Is Unsatisfying Are Harder or Their Finding the Time of Uncertainty I Just Want off of the Reassurance That There Is What Hoping Great Reason for Fruit for Knowing That There Is Something Awaiting You. Something That Can Show You Something That Will Be the Answer to Your Prayers Something That Will Teach You How to Live in Harmony with the Beauty That’s All around Us.

and That This This Is Really What Awaits Each One of Us That I Just Can’t Offer This with Certainty and and Reassurance That We Were There on a Journey That Will Take Us to a Place of More Beauty and More Happiness Than We Can Ever Ever Met and That This Is What What What Awaits Us in This Rising You Gave Humanity That Began to Freezers You Amazing Potency to Your Words and I’m I’m out a Lawsuit Actually.

I Am so Thankful for Your Presence Here for the Work That You’ve Done and for Fighting This Battle for Us so That We Do Have This Opportunity to Express Religious Freedom and and Take Part in This in the Sacrament Jeffrey Where Can Working People Find More about the DVD. If If They’re Interested in Sure Anyone Listening to His Competition Will Be Interested in Finding More about UDP the Earth a Website.

That UDP.com.br and That’s Where You Could Find out More Information and Then There’s Also You DVD USA.com Website That Explains about Some of Our Work in the United States so There’s That’s with the Information I Think Is for

People to Comment and Find and and Then If There Is a Place in the Local Community Where People Live There’s Information about That Way to Communities Are Where the Groups Are That They Could Find in the Website. Amazing Jeffrey My Good Sir It’s It’s Really Been a Pleasure Honor I I Can’t Thank You Enough for for Being Here Being Open with This Whole Story It It’s Very Remarkable.

Panic Again Thank You for the Work You’ve Done You Continue to Do and Your Presence to It’s My Pleasure and and I I It’s Part of My Joy to Be Able to to Share This As I Benefited so Much I’ve Learned so Much and to Be Able to Share This with Other People and Open the Possibility for Others Is Really My Happiness. We Worked Really Hard to Be Able to Have This Right to Secure This Right but As I Was Saying before Wasn’t Just for Us It’s to Make It Possible to Bring about a Change in Humanity Comes. We Really Need This We Need Reorientation We Need to Have a Better Understanding about How to Live Well on This Earth and I’m I’m Grateful to Be Part of This Movement of of Awakening That’s Happening in an Honor to Be Able to to in Some Small Way to Tell People about This Practice and and the Extend Shared My Experience.

Big Big Smile on My Face Jeffrey Think Uganda Is the Human Experience Guys We Will See You Guys Next Week Thank You Guys so Much for Listening

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