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And and and and handling brain hemispheres at entertaining and mentally invented telling me right now is an excellent frontotemporal occipital I take you to the human experiences in geosynchronous orbit about the Amazon rainforest as we speak to our guest Mr. Hamilton Souther Hamilton it’s a pleasure welcome to reach XP is a really great beer so you’re a master shaman how does well basically pressure around the survivor Patricia you end up getting the title of master shaman but really comes down to finding other shamans from lineages where you to the heritage in the knowledge this is the down from generation to generation and then if you’re not would end up as lineages you know you’re lucky if you get accepted from the outside was there was or something that brought you into being interested in shaman is it was there a specific thing working moment that help you do that I definitely when I graduated from the University Colorado and 2000 the year after that I started how spontaneous experiences where I started out visions and in those visions are is really clear to me that it was directed sort of cold calling to shaman is and so are you as the colleges I wrote a lot about it vibrant your own number of different cultures the practice charlatanism you doesn’t traditional call and I started to experience a bar was very formed in the interests of the distal I don’t fear is also exciting and so is something that I thought deserved at least a is always always your journey light with as you explored

Iquitos and in that area and what it was there was a reason the chose that specific area for the blue more for center you are sure it was really a question of finding it to go on the journey to find the apprenticeship energizing monitor Peru ultimately to Iquitos and from you don’t really deep into the forest air that really dictated the location what Donald or Julio of dial-in illusion you know that you shamans entry we formed you know lifelong basically familial relationship where they were like your father and grandfather in the charlatanism an error from not general vicinity in the forest you so that dictated why we were Iquitos and stated that relationship between your teachers emerge was in was there something that kind of instantly interview to the where the case out there is dealing got really sick in my first year in the Amazon and are you dealing with desire is great healer that was about days journey away from Iquitos inside a cave in the world to see if you can help me and the Julio lived is forest which is where I ended up building are very first base And you relationship with Julio developed over time but ultimately Julio the second I wonder viewing on and he felt that it saved his life it was a very kind of our Type to Mr. Joseph Campbell very journey with the gray elder in the meeting will provide that he just do not moment and in exchange for that he what I wanted and I just told him that I wanted to learn from him and to to train and so that’s what he agreed to some very very curious about what your first experience with ayahuasca was like mean how did how that take place was it the way the you imagined it would be an advertisement in my first ayahuasca ceremony there is very little in the the written world and the online world about it understanding what was getting myself into and I think that was positive and negative was decided

I met a couple of accounts from other shamans that had participated it I thought to myself that it was impossible that it could really be you that intense I thought I on I You intend to Move that fast to You got colorfully You that D there’s no way that the cleansing could go you know to such extremes in just one night outcome of every possible over 45 and I really thought it out in my own ignorance that that they must’ve overwritten or sensationalize experience and when I have now sitting the shaman was just the two of us deep in the forest and we were not good 24 or more our travel away from any place a review get support assistance in which is deep in the forest in an uninhabited part of the forest of the bottle ayahuasca you really the experience was was much more intense move much faster was much more colorful than in the back of about it and also much more appealing and that at the end of that first ceremony I need you have received the visions that that was where I was going to apprenticed and that I would be you don’t study I’ll charlatanism which seemed absurd to me considering how intense the first experience was how difficult it was for me In the when when shamans perform this ayahuasca ceremony I know that Icarus that the song is very important to the part of the healing process of it you remember the first time that you kind of herbal yet egos are sacred shares that are used inside the ceremony they really are system of communication between the energetic world/world you know and the shamans and so the very first time I heard in the was in the first ayahuasca ceremony in when I started to see that really you traditional should people designs and great neon colors overlaying the entirety of this reality and empirical reality around me and started to move to the shaman because I knew that you know that this was

a very different experience to something that that that have work and then from there are you not became fascinated by them because the many different kinds of experiences in ceremony but often you can experience senses in multiple forms in multiple ways and so you can see sound it’s incredible to be a state of consciousness that should be able to see with your eyes open the movement and that the effect that sound on the energetic space is fascinating and when you see that the girls take collect escape take form of these versions you know those are not familiar with those are very commented that I was experiences isn’t you know somewhat for that really really extreme kind of sensory experience it’s very very common to be able to to small and here and see things that you would normally not be aware of and a heightened sense of of sentences and that heighten psychic abilities is something you really really amazing and the girls are beautiful next really you know for the the ceremony they the shaman this and many of them that we constantly singing hour after hour during the ceremony and they form a melodic and the lyrical guide to the ceremo

ny yeah do you think maybe we can get you to sing want before we close ties sure sure everyone are becoming it’s a case is moving on here immediately is there is there something that you feel like ayahuasca is meant to teach you really more about life more value more about your mind more about your psyche more about your body more about what it means to be a human being I think that the modern world house encapsulated and encased a homogenous notion of reality that while very stable for most people you live in the the exploration of what human life really is and when you open up to something like ayahuasca experience you really welcoming the unknown into your life your welcoming mysticism and shaman is in the spirit and energy and your life and it has tremendous potential to open somebody to awaken somebody to help somebody transcend different kinds of difficulties blocks and barriers that they’ve experienced in so I think really the entire knowledgebase is what I was is there be able to share with people and is something that that for many many people many thousands of people as thousands of people have experienced tremendous benefit from ceremony dance into really is interesting how how much of the increase there is a people looking for this medicine traveling to place like Peru Iquitos to find it is know for the last 45067 years there’s been a constant increase yeah consistently increasing as work goes out and the number of people positive experiences of being shared you know when when you have a market was experience is part of you wants to share with your confidants in your your greatest supporters and you know that peaks interesting curiosity and the consistency of positive experiences is that often amazing from the work is being done in Brazil and Peru and Ecuador and in the case ayahuasca you also want always you

know say that is not for everybody you know it’s it’s a very extreme experience there many medications are contraindicated to the require you to come off the medication the Safeway and are center of your for many of our guests require that they receive a doctor’s permission that there fit how often sounds yeah I can see how that would be important to me so I as a shaman if we could move into the Moorish Monica aspects of what you do we what is it that you do you are you moving through these other dimensions are you encountering beings how does that work well shaman is the sacred keeper of knowledge and wisdom for dessert community as well as being really a Dr. like a feel Dr. as of the shamans of plant medicine specialist they know hundreds and hundreds of medicinal plants in the forest they can walk into the forest point almost any plant of which there are thousands of species and know that they know for certain back at her dad and so it really starts there and in the Amazon the shamans develop a very close relationship to the plants that may sound you different weirder something like that but did ayahuasca in the experiences this episode of and ability to merge consciousness the plants and be able to start communicate them as of the start to reach the plan on a truly energetic level and they believe that the plants have specific energies into themselves that represent their spirits and that the spirit of the plant very much like the human spirit can communicate and be share so that pantheon of of m

edicine there doesn’t differentiate between energies and spirits in the physical body and in the mind at all through to the wants of somebody of the physical ailment their entire being is treated if somebody else’s spiritual ailment their entire being is treated if somebody of the mental ailment their entire being mistreated and so they really believe holistic approach and then from there you get into that mystical a very magical outlook on life itself the early believe that life is based in spirit that spirit is part of parcel of every experience that every living thing has the spirit including humans and that through the spirit when you become very attuned your own spirit you give the capacity to communicate with other spirits and so the shamans identify with themselves as spirit and then you get along process to learn how to consistently and accurately without delusion were confusion engaging these communications so the shaman is is going into a state of consciousness in which communication on the energetic claim as possible and in the physical context of that plane there’s the possibility of you what is called going out body into spiritual realms and dimensions int

o visionary scenarios that are three-dimensional into landscape say and visionary context it seems very enchanted very beautiful most of those realms are dimensions are filled with beings entities are spirit sort of thing wouldn’t think of is like a 3-D visionary ship that can maintain a two-way communication so you can just begin to communicate with those being the biggest form guides and you can develop a very strong relationship very trusting relationship with them and in that and especially in the case of Amazonian healing is the Dr. spirits of them at the Madison-based spirits that are seen as the ones that performed as of the shamans are establishing a relationship between the participants in those beings that come from the plants or from animals or from you do these altered dimensional realms and again the experiences are very very consistent very very consistent between people so many people have common visions many people have common experience many people have common visionary experience all the same time you know after after my first ayahuasca experience I never had another alcohol alcoholic drink again that was the month ago thing and wondering if if you notice that there are some sort of like entities or something that are confirming that connected in are you detaching those things what you did you look at life from than understanding of spirited understanding of energy that would make sense that you as a human being without energetic reality and more or less everything that you consume that has a consciousness altering your mind altering capacity as a way of opening you energetically and work engaging with you and so depending on the nature of the relationship people of different substances very common for them to go to the the ceremonies and decided that the substances were really serving them and that they have moved onto a plane in their own life where were whatever was enticing about the deemphasizes is no longer is is a lot of people give up alcohol after ceremony interceptor want to ceremonies which is also why ayahuasca is used in the Amazon in the traditional world as a way of treating drug addiction interested in any kind of addiction.knowledge of it is any contradiction and so I was some years is become much more pronounced without the ability to deal people from your tobacco and alcohol to your heart hard drives and as well as behavioral addictions to you when you went on to thought found your shaman is an center more for center Marcos and from the seat here experiences w

as there was there in a hot moments when you when you decided do that or how that muscle is the initial creation of my software I was living in the forest people are interested in coming out where I was livid was so remote I lived in tiny community alone a tributary to the house on the upper for me to her know about it so you dangerous unexplored forest awaiting people and tourists are very interested in going out into that area before since I found it more folks based on apprenticeship in that and the desired it to have a way to be able to take them out into the forest and out you really are an incredibly mind expanding and and units just venture and so through that were turned out that the more we got into the ayahuasca ceremonies in the work the less interested our guests were in the jungle adventure side of things and so we started at United Way to be able to continue our work with ayahuasca with others and ultimately provide healing at first we just told ceremonies for the sake of the ceremonies themselves because people are interested curious whatever but that we can quickly known for being able to help people through very specific illnesses like us depression and anxiety disorders PTSD addictions and then people you know who are really really sicken looking for a solution started to come to us and organically little by little by little muscle group just to accommodate a number of people wanted to call it does seem like blue more folk kind of took a very organic growth what kind of effect do you think it had on l

ocal economy there in the areas of worker very positively affected we were start positive and balanced business practices as possible and we do a lot of charity work for the air around us and so your we provided over the years many many jobs that were available in those areas and somebody similarity to provide jobs in the Amazon reality is that the Amazon is part of improving or that the approving social structure and so it’s always based economies and the locals need to be able to to raise money to be able to survive and so it is very hard in the Amazon survive on your own weirdest the subsistence agriculturalist and puncture and were fishermen and so you know we we provided countless jobs over the years as well as a number of charity programs including providing the entire school uniforms for whole town as well as all of the

books and school supplies of you for years now we’ve helped the entire town put all of their kids to elementary education taking the economic burden off of them for having to provide that uniforms and school supplies which really adds up for your family through two children to the into three months worth of salary and years of the significant amount wanted to them and is something that we’ve always supported in education is or something that are supported you from the Western education that I had to the show Monica indigenous education the forest is in your we get back in many different ways and consistently tried to aid the the fledgling in and you slowly slowly evolving economy That’s that’s amazing you been able to do that passage a positive impact there what kind kinds of things do you think the kind of things does more for will offer to its guests to the destination-based center and so when people come for of four groups they are you coming to participate in ceremonies and either explore ayahuasca were received different kind of you practices when we go to our center that a lot of other activities are offered to keep it is interesting for everybody normally a group 66 days and so every day there’s two different activities that really more related to the jungle as well as guided visualizations yoga practices and in the ceremonies themselves and so we have a very well-rounded itinerary to make sure that you know everybody is having a really an incredible time from seeing the river dolphins to going out that going on medicinal plant high court seeing the Victoria radio giant lily pads are identified different species of monkeys and then going into the ceremonies at night and doing you know the really intense spiritual work what’s the size of an average ceremony there serving outraged typically somewhere in the the the 35 to 45 people is that large depends on your persp

ective and medium-sized if you look at the to you ayahuasca based churches in Brazil where they work with hundreds if not thousands it would be see the small there’s also you have smaller ceremonies are going on and places are there’s 510 1520 people in the now and how many we healers are shamans do you have in-house will definitely group but typically we have two or three master shamans as well as three or four pretty shamans and another 4 to 6 is not a trained helpers for example if we could go back to your story with Alberto and Julio of you could you tell us more about what it was like working with them is amazing Julio were the kind of human being that I never really medical for and strong clear impressive just really amazing awe-inspiring for me there so clear they were so decided they knew exactly what they were d

oing and why they are doing it they had compassion and love in our hearts and that this tremendous wisdom that they could share in a variety of different means I started present them it was shocking to me that education character visionary experiences you know I was used to a chalkboard whiteboard it your computers and things like that live birth to learn all the center I’m with them in the forest you have in a communal just talking about life or identify different kinds of medicinal plants or is ceremony and it in ceremony you know all the teaching was done nonverbally it was completely telepathic which various is amazing in its own right to go through years and years of training via telepathy is something that really hurt me stop you so the teachings that were handed down to you were done via telepathy correct the other all done within vision I want to start little verbal interaction are talking during the day about your expected already know that almost everything that your taught shaman’s and if you go to classes in this in the states of you like Shimane classes are journey worker indicted the basics are taught your expected already know and if you already know those things that are not considered of the creed to be able to be apprentice so I think the cost directly undergraduates there’s no elementary Junior high school University about like right and and on the you know the first the very first day that that you start to betray the shamans is Julio your company into a visionary realm that would hold the consistent my wife knew that they were inside my thoughts and good your all of my thoughts as well as your specific bots to me and open of different than the visionary experiences that with the surviving them the educational last Julio” the white man could learn he said if you can survive we all bleed red putting mode you know my life in danger saying you know you could die in this apprenticeship and so is very very intense but they consider all of those test is virtue and you get taught entirely the visionary experiences because of the Ravenwood to work you have to be able to navigate with precision the visionary realms and know exactly where you are a how to guide multiple people simultaneously it’s a have that level of clarity they make a British it very difficult while what’s truly profound it was there is there something that was specifically difficult in your learning that you can remember or think of specific to the battle of the new to make a fishing pole I had learned is a machete and in acts I want you walk in the same way as you do it is that even i

n the wilderness of the state jungle so dense learn how to just to survive out there how to eat how to provide my own food do you know learn how it to withstand the vigorous of apprenticeship which are very very intense you know for well over 10 years it was expected that I would drink I was over 100 times a year and so unite for the people that experiencing profound want to or three ceremonies as you imagine being in that situation every few days consistently for over a decade you go through what Coke yet that you deserve. Time great fasting we drink different kinds of medicinal plants that are not psychoactive but you’re already in such it transformed state of consciousness expanded state of constant that you’re communicating directly with the plants literally just from drinking teas made from the Berkshire serve leaves and all that difficult there’s extreme periods of different kinds of abstinence is where you you live up the life of deep cleansing of purification for extended periods of time isolated from society and community is a fish large amounts of time in the forest alone or just with the master shamans and it’s all intents and that’s all difficult and it’s all amazing if you can survive it for the people that I thought over the years and the start I say to them this is the worst idea you ever have is the worst idea you ever had in less you complete apprenticeship and then turned into the best idea you ever had but you is a very quick you go to the University is four years are high school it’s four years work graduate school that could do you warrior synoptic is a clear In this case finish it has no clarity in the path it strictly survival and learning to the point that you reached this prophesies the endpoint called the title of master shaman ended once you get the title you find out which is the great symbolic irony that the only thing that changes is that you have more responsibility for your you’re you know you’re working so hard to this point that you don’t even know when it’s got a comment could be anywhere you know from universe to a decade to achieve just not even knowing you know when when a certain point of the tremendous journey is makes it much more difficult even if you compare excellent climbing

are a great eager amount make avarice you know the ideas to get to the top in this case you know you have any idea what this endpoint even looks like and it’s just the title it’s just called master shaman or Meister and so you you see other people have you see that there certainly not like you are there more skilled even those are that you have to you know learn and then continue perseveringly forging ahead with tremendous grit tremendous strength and dedication into this great unknown and that constant pursuit you makes you much stronger individual but it’s very difficult have I mean healing is the foundation for all this this is why people are traveling to the rain forests to fineness in Western medicine is working and what your opinion on the simply that Western medicine of limitations my father was a Western medical practitioner he was a Dr. the surgeon and her mother was another sweet we came from this very scientific very Western medical background family and during my youth my father was very open with me about the tremendous miracle that Western medicine could produce as well as the tremendous limitations that it had in terms of its knowledge base and understandings the difficulties of the were in terms of diagnosing and really being able to provide your healing treatments it is which there needs to be tremendous gratitude to Western medicine because I think the majority of us would have already been a casualty how much shorter lifespan without I’ve you needed antibiotics many many times to end of section or to to release parasites are from different injuries are at work surgery is the only reason that I can still walk and so I have a tremendous gratitude for it but I I do not think that it is the beginning and the end all it’s only a breath of knowledge and capacity that’s constantly being expanded and in the case of mental health and menta

l disorders which most people typically condyle for I was feeling unit capabilities that we have within psychology and psychiatry extremely limited is is is very very difficult when somebody receives a diagnosis that he or she is depressed or has an anxiety disorder PTSD and will now have to carry that for the rest of his or her license it tremendous burden and way and then in the idea of Western psychiatry to be able to provide psychiatric treatment with medications that the summit is expected to be on for the rest of their life is tremendous side effects and difficulties and so you know through our work many people come to us because they want to go beyond that they don’t want to be labeled for the rest of their life somebody who is depressed or somebody loves disorders somebody with PTSD and so I think in many ways innocently people get into different experiences in their life and end up in some extreme trauma your work completely unrelated to the my children were abuse like that that nothing to do without they were brought into this world and a family and that being abusive work others that ended up being abusive to that and not have this problem unite and is very little that can be done to create as of that right now to to to give as a cure for that people can ayahuasca for that for that purpose because lesser psychiatry psychology is not yet been able to establish cures for these opposites that being said not everybody’s curative drinks ayahuasca you don’t a lot of them are many many people have total remissio

n in the capacities and life skills to be able to transcend the burden of the problem that they will was always the most remarkable were profound thing that you seen that once healed from the most remarkable really borderless of the miraculous I’ve seen cancer disappear from one day to the next there is in the next it’s gone I’ve seen of person Hilde blindness was blind because life is is legally blind they were in the adult when they became blind from I’m disease have you total remission to the plaintiff there are no longer blind seen people who suffered from gastrointestinal illnesses problems with the: and intestines for 30 4050 years at healing and three or four days just disappearance of the illness that never comes back your depression imagine if you are if you psychiatric problems from the age of two or three and now you’re your 30s or 40s you like like yourself who wrote the article for National Geographic you know that was published about her miraculous feeling of depression and other mental health issues that she had she just she was feel in this fascinating and miraculous and amazing and it’s something that I’m truly grateful for that in my life I got to witness and participate in transformations for people like that it was very rewarding you know something that was very hard experiment have you ever had someone have a negative reaction after ceremony: negative reaction that people is certainly a great difficulties emotionally handling their experience you very careful the Clare how much somebody is given how what duration because it can kick off psychosis you do not want to give somebody was is not psychologically stable these different kinds of psychoactive plants it’s not healthy for not necessarily there many many many many current many people are not suitable candidates to participate in the center and so that people have adverse reactions I have seen it where it’s it’s overwhelmingly emotional were people of been terrified to the point that you know do there shaking the next day literally delighted they can be traveling at that the fear that they confronted you if you if you go deep into their story you find that there’s a reason for that there’s always a reason for all of the different kind the reactions people upset people people are art the great collective that we think of the r

eally are individual you know if an individual human body it’s not just human bondsman bodies about clones and up ascended Robinson genetics the same makeup structure size history experience rated the very very different and so the yet to be a candidate about candidate to participate in some mean how do you think these plants do this where does this come from if he was Terrence McKenna said that these plants were older than humanity and were connected into the consciousness of the planet so what your take on it but it doesn’t are many many theories and I don’t think that particularly any of the theories are right as of the theory there must be questioned and explore the highest level of understanding that I received is that plants certain plants habitability when ingested to merge with what we notice human consciousness and utilize that capacity to be able to experience right alongside an individual human being and that the plants obviously older than humanity they been around much longer than Homo sapiens a and the chemicals that they how are designed to be able to create an altered state in which communication to take place in you saw the plant that would

be a very interesting way to be able to cocreated to communicate with another kind of being on this planet if you are rooted species in the ground in your sitting there will if you you evolved capacities that you can communicate with it now because the animal not on your were eight you are consumed you to be a tremendous way to be able to access that animals life and I think the players do that with human beings just much the do than the other animals the consumer you do you found it an education foundation called modern communism you want absolute what is what is that and you what is it offered to a newcomer with the difference will not chauvinism is a discipline the shaman is in the creative yet it think of shaman is different kinds of disciplines like the site to prevent Siberian discipline does it was only discipline African it disciplines northern Canadian disciplines South America disciplines postulate disappointment in modern society what I saw that modern society didn’t have its own kind of shaman as I was getting reall

y into that the depth of emotion Monica exploration after having practiced just rate for eight or nine years and I realized that I wanted to create a kind of shaman is him for modern society so I want of aquatic journey amount exploration of be able to do that and I kind of strict shaman’s permits cultural occasions and fabric kind of consistent core architecture of beliefs and ideologies and understandings about all the different kinds of shaman the practiced worldwide and are used that as a framework to be able to start to establish a practice moderate chauvinism is taught online but you really learned in your day it’s it’s activities that you do from the the online reading in an audio is that you can listen to that explain each of the activities that really then you start to do activities every single day of your practice think insight modern society and so when you do that gives you will retard absorption mindframe of mine which is much more connected it’s a more holistic approach to understanding reality your mind and your brain and your heart and your body and your spirit in your soul work together you teach a lot of work together and how to be in extended states of consciousness through total sobriety throughout the entirety that designed to make more creative benefit your life time management efficiency were capacities of that relationship and more grounded relationship to the spirit world all the time and set the tremendous practice for that you know now hundreds of people practiced it with us it people you know l

earning have performed miracles we had a girl moves relative went missing Ishida promote location and located that the relative to states from where this the person went missing we had another gentleman whose daughter was in an accident and was going to need surgery to remove and working from a vivacious very very on she was younger than five and the father did admire shaman is in ceremony and the next day she was healthy and no longer needed the surgery and she was released from hospital she was in ICU miracles that of that happen that are tremendous but most of the work is in his miraculous about most of it is that daily educational system to transform your daily life into one based in the rudiments of shaman is him and spirit opening you to having expanded capacities know you’re considering people who are interested in learning going to apprenticeship I guess all the time about people who want apprenticed I highly recommend moderate chauvinism as a course to take before you go into that I highly recommend it as a way to get it fully immersed in the smart world where you in an environment that you relate to and understand well for you go and relate to a traditional environment that is the you have completely foreign are unknown to you people are really interested practices and learning as well transforms you into a shaman by the end of it you are heart shaman and capable of practicing chauvinism for yourself and others Path to you published the journey one in 2011 which is the book tha

t document some of the insights he received through your shamanic ceremonies was there was something that you learned or anything Farsi learned through writing that one was my attempt at creating a Shimane journey through the medium of book and so we really during the here and it’s nature and most chauvinism is relatively nonlinear and so I wanted to create a capacity for somebody that is our own journey of of awakening exploration and understanding without me detailing that journey should or should look like and so if you with insight to explain the insights and then you would take from that my explanation but what I wanted to do was provide the inside and allow somebody to ponder them dismiss them question them go back to them and not have to read a book from cover to cover literally build open at any point and start the journey from their flips through wherever your call to stop to read that insight and I organized the insights and because hundreds that I organized the insights from the most abstract the most concrete so that as you work through them you know you could explore for instance work to get ancient relationship feeling your all these different themes are from the book and you’ll be able to have your own journey I love it was important for me to as well terms of my own experience because of this that you sell me to the realization that understandings through your apprenticeship and in short ceremonies that will do somebody have an opportunity to coalesce all of that into just one form and so you know 89 years of practice it will give you an opportunity to to really bring all of that together and give you an opportunity to coalesce the knowledge base and to be able to say okay until now these are many not all video the realization that now you were were approaching the end here you you’ve had a couple movements that you know

in your own words that raise consciousness through love and and global conflict what what is your position on the seat of the world and where you think were headed for so you might my latest creation is the bloomer foundation and the bloomer. This is a charity is a 501(c)(3) IRS tax debt charity and its goal is to research and find cures for mental illness and when I look at the state of the world the mental health is one of the greatest crisis that the modern world is facing and the stats are just incredible over 1 billion people with mental health difficult you are disorders every single person I know is life is been touched themselves having difficulty work with somebody that they know are relative and so were doing about it is to look at the world’s etiquette what can we do we need to do something to shift consciousness and

Western you know chauvinism and even beyond chauvinism magic to greater expressions about spirituality consciousness was the next well to be fully understood and discovered by sciences always been known about it’s been relegated to mysticism element kind of spiritual explorations mind body spirit the new it really whatever but it was time to emerge and deep understanding with of cottages next to science and so I will my personal mission to codify and to map makes human consciousness unique and I was able to do that and so now are teaming with allopathic medicine PhD’s and psychotherapy and MD psychiatry come together and really look for cures for the strongest… So that we can provide not only healing but expansion of consciousness on a much larger level and to have it be fully integrated with Western medical ap

proaches is is blue more for something that you’d like to see kind of centers all over the world that we looking for the allopathic with all the world where the casino that we work ultimately has a tremendous impact on global concerns and global problems is our study focusing on mental health but I think it extends much beyond that once the mind is is freed from the difficulties that it’s having it starts to make very different decision the decision that would make the way of that mental difficulty and you know if we extend the idea of difficulty just of the stress that we experience the modern world like to see is that ultimately we made a tremendously positive impact on a much greater scope than we would be able to do from the Amazon or just the one modality of like to see that we extend through many many different treatment capacities and and methods and then to be able to share it in a way that can be respected by science as well as mysticism and you know how people ultimately that’s all started started my own pursuit of ass

aulted learn these incredible arts and then also know to extend that to helping you know thousands and thousands of others and then hopefully more and more and more and so we’ve impacted you know hundreds of millions worldwide but that the main goal is to to really help people to live better lives to empower them to experience a much better existence while working on earth you know Turing outerspace going around some will demand I know were on the phone call sound quality is is you lease a bit to be desired buttonholed you to hearing that a corrosive if you could just kind and let us hear it man about total of it should should all all the seams will will will will will the though is will you as it will will rule so good publicity will I love you to in the local know the none none none none in the Internet in the and and and and and and and not a of them them them do you in the casino ayahuasca because typically is that the beginnings of our traditional ceremonies in the Amazon is used to open up the visionary space while only got chills man amazing think so much where can people find more value your work more for the website things to discuss online you can look for set of bloomer foundation.work for the the charity worker during the states and just getting ready to launch a PTSD initiative to provide the first ever worldwide you are for PTSD and we need all the support we can get so in a people can help fundraising volunteers please were looking for donors and special benefactors you can help us you may physical reality it something that is many people can agree the world needs and then for done the Amazon bloomer clitoris so bloomer footwork.com and you can always find on Facebook undermining him consultant will Pamplin I really appreciate time certain thank you so much for being here as for the time as well and the great-looking the podcast fantastic appreciate

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