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Is the human experience but at the humane handling brain hemispheres and entertaining and mentally invented telling is frontotemporal occipital I at is that take you to the interest of experience and diving back into the more esoteric side of things in this episode as we speak to Dr. on well. Dr. bridegrooms up in this industry for over the decades she has studied some of the physiological and psychological effects of what happens during of awakening.
so the credentials front teeth on this one should remember these three books on the subject which I highly recommend otherwise folks if you enjoy our content get to the human XP.com/donate help us cover server costs minus on Facebook Twitter YouTube all at the human XP thank you guys so much for listening the human experiences. in session my guest today is Dr. Barney Greenwald bony welcome to the human experience.
thank you Xavier this is nice opportunity appreciate it somebody what’s let’s get if you’ve written a few books on kundalini ends the awaken process of can but how did you get to the point of writing about this and then years ago I was very serious meditate are and when I went to graduate school at the Institute of transpersonal psychology. I began to do energy work and during that time I had an activation of kundalini energy.
I had to write a Dr. of dissertation at that so I decided to explore what the kundalini experiences like and how to make it a positive experience because when I found is for me that awakening was extremely wonderful is just a great experience and I kept running into people who said that they were having a lot of difficulties and so the hope I have my research and later many years of work and spend to understand what’s the difference and what can people do to make it a more graceful. grayscale guess could change experience that’s that’s really intriguing of I’ve I’ve heard the same that he can be kind the harrowing experience and how where do you see this spectrum of juicy most people having a difficult time during the sort of awaken process or is it more gentle for most people.
that I think because of my drugs in my research on my website a lot of people who can’t had those who are having difficulties it probably many your do not have such difficulties depends a lot on the context in which the energy awaken and whether you have a support system of some sort. what you understand what’s happening to you at the same which for me that was really important height I was in a graduate school of transpersonal the oriented people and is going to programs that Esalen Stan Goff and others.
so I had a lot of people who understood with the process worried it’s really intriguing find the whole thing we really intriguing and what is something that would cause a kundalini awakening Missouri certain point in some of life is immediate somatic experience or or realization through meditation is their commonality but you noticed between people have a completely awakening this this many different ways that activates that primarily. and classically is this weekend either because of it very sincere and intense meditation process often for many years or through a practice of yoga what you grown or something that
undergone in a very disciplined and an dude way with somebody who sincerely is seeking truth or seeking relationship with God are seeking enlightenment.
the doesn’t in the classic ways human CNS specific practices and kundalini yoga and in most yogic systems for people once they are ready breathing practices. other kinds of concentration practices designed to activate the energy so that would be the primary classical way but you also find many people happen awakening through a near-death experience and when they’re in. Of great trauma.
whether they’re going to some kind of grief or maybe some kind of of violence and one woman who were in awakened after being mind that she had also long period of yoga practice before then sometimes it wakens to encounter with somebody else who has awakened energy and sometimes it just happens spontaneously and is no real logic you can find in and that usually there’s some kind of and initiating event that made it it’s just. kundalini is only the life force it’s your own life force and you could say that when it awakens which is normally considered happen at the base of the spine although in some systems it’s happens in by an activation in the center of the body are in the heart.
that when it activates you notice the difference I said before and after it is usually very specific event you can you can trace the initiation of kundalini to friend and there’s many years of experience is that often following it’s fascinating storming kundalini is thousand 2000 years old kind of tradition easier reason you can’t talk about kundalini but now we’re seeing this sort of proliferates what’s going on here in Western society. why do you think that there is this crossover happening from East to West I think back to the 30s 40s and then again in the 60s there was a great influx of yogic teachers and key teachers from the Buddhist traditions coming to the West.
so a lot of people in those days where you could say the culture was kind of seated with the kind of spiritual practices that would make this more likely to happen and then in the 60s it happened quite a bit with people who I would using LSD there was a whole movement of people who are very intensely trying to shift consciousness and so that generation have to one influx you could say of the energy activating or consciousness shifts that they received an activation energy. so today know what’s really been different since the computer ages people can find ways to dedicate themselves to spiritual awakening all over the Internet they can find practices that are very energizing they can find meditation practices meditation is almost mainstream now and that persons kind of right not everybody meditate is going to have this kind of awakening.
it’s probably a very small percentage that if there’s other ways in their life that they are consciousness is prepared are ready for this to happen it’s very possible trying to activate to meditation practice and millions of people are doing that today. also millions of doing yoga this is been a real shift in society and the open Studios kind of experiences you agree completely on you know that in the early 90s 19 9182 I had a kundalini awakening and it was probably the most scary events that I’ve ever experienced.
one of the most care events of experience and I think through the years that that followed it was even more because I had no idea was going on there was no sense of getting online and even in getting online and and typing in denial was talking welcome back then. so be it yet these are or have changed a lot things are a lot different what you think this means for me people like you who come specializing kundalini what what are your patient succumb to the what what is something that you would tell a person that comes you and says I hate Dr. Pontiac it just my kundalini awakens and I feel like this happened when you we say that person as I start to work with somebody.
I haven’t fill out a questionnaire that gives me a lot of background information because whatever you brought into the process has a huge impact on what you’re experiencing and what might be helpful in making it a more smooth experience so I do that I also ask their history little bit because I want to know what triggered it. how did it begin for them and out of give me a little insight on what’s needed for example if they already in a spiritual community of some sort don’t have a good context on the what’s happening.
if they were in an accident and they never had ever heard of anything spiritual they may need to get it set into a context in which they understand that there is an experience call spiritual awakening and for thousands of years it’s been written about primarily in the East and that kundalini is a natural part of that process. it’s it’s hard that allows your hold energy field to awaken and support your spiritual intention and that it’s been written about in classical literature but it’s just not understood in Western medicine.
so doctors and therapists have never really got a framework or paradigm for interpreting it but there is that it’s very well known in the East and that it all down there transformation and their body becoming available to higher states of consciousness into the integration are that the vein from the new perceptions that you think that this is happening to more people now than than before. it’s very possible some people think that I believe that a correct always talked about this being not/kundalini of consciousness being much more common today that I think we also have to realize that there’s a larger population and is a lot more intercommunication.
in the used to be accelerated they been possible that certain cultures are certain groups of people get have these kinds of significant awakening started just wasn’t why widely no value. it seems like when there is a kundalini awakening it’s like the the charge in your body is is completely different in your purchase sensitive to more and your your shockers are more open your’s more sensitive to everything would you grew this yes that’s one of the biggest concerns people have. especially a little bit sensitive types of people anyway and it can become extremely uncomfortable because they can feel they can just feel things in other people’s energies make their much more receptive they can’t handle going into big-box stores and places where there’s tension toxic relationships.
in fact that energy actually the awakening requires us to really be honest with ourselves and should make changes in life is some of the things we’re doing are not compatible for us. that in a way the high sensitivity sort of telling you you
really need to either change or get out of this particular relationship for this job it’s not you not intend with it it’s not right for you.
I have to learned to listen to your body and do what the energy seems to be wanting you to do. if you want to be comfortable people a lot of people who get into great difficulty are doing things in their life that are very very stressful and that are just not internally different deeper authentic desires and truths and the way have to make changes to continue continue to feel bad.
feel even sex sometimes you believe in reincarnation Boney is a high likelihood of it. I’ve had many past life regressions myself and done that with other people and many times people in a kundalini process will happen spontaneous past life memory alloy déjà vu experience and they said they feel very real feels like it really was me that it’s also very possible that were disconnecting into the collective lives and experiencing another another life.
or another might say another dream of life that the belief system you know it’s something you can’t know positively you just can know what it feels like it feels true that you can’t nobody can actually prove that it is true. so hypothetically do you think that the company process could be a sort of cleansing so that you can kind of escape the reincarnation cycle or I think that has an opening and a clearing in a way it makes your face much more of your incarnational cycle.
it’s not a way of leaping past it everything that you need to see comes up if you have unfinished psychological issues that you never addressed that very likely to come up some of the shaking and jerking and letting the body release that is some of the energetic holding tension from your past from your conditioning but often you also get something will happen in your life. it really throws your own conditioning in your face and you have much more freedom to choose to see through that and stop identifying with it.
so it’s a you could say almost a spontaneous psychological process to what is something me you would say to someone need listening to this program that is experiencing a kundalini awakening is that you would you either know the tapping to you is it not somebody guess about times people will happen experience that would be could say prior to kundalini and yoga they call it product taught. that you we all have chronic energies in our bodies and that’s how it’s a good works your learning to turn into that that’s what radius doing your learning to use and that this energy flow through your body if you’re having some energy stirrings.
let’s say you’re a meditator and energy stars at the base of the spine or there’s itching are vibration or maybe sometimes little rushes of energy than your product possibly in the process for kundalini may activate if you’re experiencing if you’ve experienced a very intense rush of energy in your body shaking uncontrollably. by it’s that doesn’t seem to be like a seizure it’s not like a seizure disorder it’s much more like a rolling energy it can be very scary that it’s actually a good sign that your subtle body is cooperating with your spiritual intention or if you didn’t ever have a spiritual intention it’s an invitation to a type of transformation and grace that you may not have expected was available to you.
that will happen is that this process just naturally unfolds itself if you don’t hold yourself in resistance to it it’s the anger fear in resistance that makes it more uncomfortable but you do have to give it it’s time sometimes you really need to get if you’re using drugs. a lot of people today are having activations after using ayahuasca or various other kinds of substances substances that are that create spiritual opening you may need to stop doing that if you’re uncomfortable if you’re feeling rotten and if things are unpredictable you can’t to ground yourself you may need to look at the stressors in your life and what you need to change. sometimes people have this awakening who have done a lot of work with hospice they been sitting with people who make these transitions and they go into these very profound states awareness with them and that can be an activation. so is different ways this might happen for you and you just have to get into right relationship with it seeing it as neuron deeper self wanting your consciousness to wake up to itself.
that’s what wakes up his consciousness consciousness awareness is trying to wake up out of you in such a way that it helps you to have a different perspectives of life and of yourself and of the world you have your connection with everything in it onto very wonderful opportunity and you may not wish it was happening to you right now. it might be inconvenienced you know I usually tell people it’s just that your number is that it’s time you are going to go through this on you can’t just make it go away once it’s moved to a certain level in your body when you’re feeling it will be through your throat or to the head that it has a process that can be made more gentle more smooth in the sense that you are welcoming at using it to deepen your meditation or to discover meditation and start to take very good care of your body.
not using substances that are toxic not hanging out with people that are toxic if your work is making you very unhappy you may need to really look at what can you do what is your body really want to do that would feel much more harmonious for you. you might also need to be out in nature more to find a space that you can see it again if you’re in the city you might need to create a place in your yard or your home where you feel very peaceful.
you need to ground work with your hands to things that make you feel stable and connected to the earth in some way. my books are very helpful guides to the kundalini guide and the awakening guide many people write me and say they’ve been a great help and I also have websites with a lot of information kundalini guide.com and awakening guide.com.
you said that places to begin you can plug those of you as as they get older Boney I’m I’m more resolved towards living peaceful and living the West dangerous you know and kundalini strikes me as highly dangerous kind of thing if you’ve treated the wrong way and I think it’s possible for someone who’s experiencing kundalini awakening to be misdiagnosed as schizophrenic or having some sort of mental health condition be seen that before there’s a certain percentage people that that has happened to.
it’s most likely to happen under several circumstances one is that you have this awakening because of a response to a substance you would using like LSD are
ayahuasca and you’re having a lot of flashback visualization experiences visions and things like that and somebody around you doesn’t understand what it is and they get alarmed and you get in the hospital for a while. it’s also likely to happen if you go if you get manikin you don’t sleep or you in you go for couple almost everybody if they go for two nights without sleeping will start looking psychotic. the brain needs rest regularly that sometimes the energy so high you’re just kind of out of control profile and you need somebody that can kind of take care of you for a couple of days and if you don’t have that you end up wandering the streets you can end up in the hospital for a while. most medical professionals do not understand kundalini and if you’re having visions or your hearing voices that are likely to interpret it as psychotic experience is that I found that most of the people in this process who say here a voice it’s usually very soothing very occasional so it might be your very upset you wake up in the middle of the night and you hear a voice say peace be with you or were taking it easy on you or it’s all going to be okay.
if your hearing voices that are very chaotic that are telling you to do negative things that the television is talking to you you’re more likely to be antipsychotic process it may be that if it was triggered by drugs are related to kundalini in the past quickly that I usually with kundalini edition edition might be very occasional and also very powerful just a transformative experience of seeing that’s possible and I have to say most people don’t have visions and voices.
that maybe 20% might once in a while so it’s really a misunderstanding against them labeled DNA type of person that can get really into a lot of trouble is the overachiever the one who is doing a tremendous number of practices that very intensely perhaps doing show Monica work which actually trains you to travel to other dimensions and can be very chaotic if you’re not really geared up to do that kind of thing and they may be doing the breathing practices for five hours a day. there there pushing themselves and their pushing their consciousness in their minds and their nervous system and they can have collapsed within that process so it’s much better to try if you’re a spiritual seeker in your longing for enlightenment is to try to have a more balanced and harmonious approach to it. so that you may be take good care of your body you do or gentle meditation practice regularly made a little bit of yoga but you’re turning it all the time to bringing yourself back to earth common yourself down. that I don’t think of it is dangerous I think of it as transformative and if it’s happened to you inevitable and fear is one of the most difficult aspects of it fear makes it much much worse.
the mother who was that Yogi that once a partner at Oregon does it said once that the heartfelt relief this year is the most important step on the spiritual. Very interesting how long do you notice that these symptoms last after person has a kundalini experience one awakening if the energy has fully awake and it never fully goes away it gets much more it’s for the rest of your life.
you have yes and no I just talked about my own experience which began more than 30 years ago trip it’s more intense the first year or two there’s a lot more when your body wants to release energy. I always recommend people lay down
on their bed and just let the energy called for a little while usually last about 10 minutes and then it stops and when you feel relaxed.
if you’re trying to contract and hold back it can become much more uncomfortable so that stage of having a lot of energy releases usually gets a little bit easier after a couple of years and especially if you’re not adding a lot of stressors other stressors in your life. if you have a pretty balanced life then from the what happened at night when my energy awoke I was in graduate school I wrote a dissertation I have three teenage kids and I was working part-time as a therapist.
so you know like there was a lot of other things going on in my life so you can do that but you just have to be doing things that feel compatible and right for you than what happened over the years it got more like a little interior vibration it felt good had a lot of bliss with this experience and when you tune into it you and you get used to it you just tuning to relax it can be extremely blissful. then some years later seven or eight years maybe I met onto Chante who is a non-dual teacher and when I began sitting with him that whole energy process went to a different level.
where had a very deep awakening consciousness herself whatever we would like to call back and at that time the energy settle down almost completely. so sudden it changed how I look at life in my self and everything else and during that change in the energy just kind of faded away.
that if I do massage I have body work or if I just want to invited I can lay down in it in it will start moving again that it’s almost always blissful that I’m in my 70s now. so I don’t know to what extent those just getting older to my memo out the process and I had very stable life unite is so somebody who has had a lot of trauma things going on.
they can to clear out old abuse issues and and they do that gone through a divorce or the child his diet or that they’ve lost their home in the you know that a lot of struggling they might have a lot more releasing going on because it is trying to release any kind of stress or any kind of attachment or belief that keeps you from feeling completely free and open that there’s a guest of the show Robert Bruce and he talks a lot about out of body experience is.
not true them but he also does some work on Panini and one of the things he said was that without a guru type person your life that kundalini is extremely dangerous thing to try to awaken do you agree with that statement encourage people to try to awaken kundalini on their own it depends on the quality of the guru whether he’s useful or not. I have many people from different spiritual systems contact me go had awakenings in that system and the teacher didn’t provide any help at all that was actually kind of critical like they shouldn’t be having all that energy or that they are not developed enough to have activated kundalini or kundalini is always positive.
and you’re having psychological issues so you have a problem so you don’t always get what you need and the and typical yogic or Buddhist or certainly a Christian system I have nuns call me who felt like was this the devil making him have all this energy because it feels the sexual at times. so you know it’s not an
absolute it would be nice if there were some really good gurus out there who could really support a person appropriately through the whole system that you are very many.
I always tell people who scoff me and say well I want to learn how to open it I say the best thing to do is develop a very basic and sincere meditation practice start with that don’t start with trying to raise energy and because your attitude and your devotion in your sense of wanting with all your heart to be connected to the greater aspect of life the the knowing of God.
somebody might say are the knowing of your source or the knowing of unitive of oneness that is going to be the biggest support you have in the process and if you can start with that start with waking up at some level then when the kundalini happens it’s not something that you resist and you get into a lot of trouble with you and keep you mentioned you touched on my next question. which use it in regards to the sexual nature of the process and why is it because its opening in that in the seat of your spine and it’s touching that chakra is that why the root truckers it in the sequel chakra is that why it’s such sexual experience.
kundalini is life for us and it housed just below the sexual organs and it’s actually responsible for procreation so that’s where Tony’s you could say and when it moves and starts moving in that area of the body if you get stuck there you can have a great intense sexual drive maybe even if you never did before and it can feel like you’re going crazy like is just way too much because it’s like it went from one tend to 20 and if it’s stuck in those lower to chakras it’s really difficult and it’s not moving through the optimal channels.
so that would be one of the so-called dangers of kundalini is getting some a few people have this problem when their learning contracts sex-based they get it opened and most people who teach contra sex sexually. they’re doing it to so-called improve your sex life but they don’t understand the spiritual and the clearing process aspect of it so sometimes a person will get the kundalini moving higher through the body through the time it took sex and all of a sudden I’ll thing opens up and having all kinds of phenomena that they never expected like involuntary jerking and and visions and seats and other other things that are related to this opening that can happen because the energies been housed in that area.
that’s why it’s so much more vulnerable to intensifying your sexual drive other times though it will move after it moves up into the second third fourth chakras this section I goes away completely and that can be just as alarming for some people it it’s it’s sort of like sometimes their appetite will go away for a while say can cause all kinds of different reactivity in the body and is no predicting of what it will do for you and in and it’s not the same from one person to the next. you feel like people can have partial awakenings is there reserve degree of kind of this experience must awakenings a partial their most people will happen awakening initially that perhaps opens up that it goes up into the valley are goes up and once it goes up into the heart it’s considered a little more stable.
so by this moves into the heart to my experience expanse of unconditional live at times you might experience a need to really phase some of your own barriers
and locks you have discomfort. in the heart you can move into the throat most people seem to have blockages in the throat I think it’s particularly women because they are taught not to express everything they think all of us to talk back in school are taught to be quiet and there’s a lot of blockages are contractions in the back area.
so a lot of times the energy ends up staying in that area for a long time and tell you even learn some practices from moving it or you do with whatever the trauma is that’s related to the withholding you learn to express yourself. while makes a lot of sense Bonnie of the really appreciate your time you give us those those websites again were books called these websites are kundalini guide.com and awakening guide.com the books of the same the kundalini guide the awakening guide there on Amazon and I’m just signing a contract for new book will be out the tell 2018. with new harbinger that should be an overview of everything that I’ve learned over the last 30 years also.
that’s really amazing we will deftly put that link up on the website so that people can ask is it Bonnie thank you so much for your time very informative conversation think so much it’s great to be here and thanks for inviting me is the human experience we will see you guys next week thank you so much for listening